Thread: President Trump - 2nd Term

Originally Posted by Looper

I don't see how that was Zelensky being ambushed. It seemed more like ill advised escalation of the debate during what was supposed to be the usual press gallery photo shoot and handshake.

Of course he was ambushed, he was only invited to get intimidated, bullied.

Originally Posted by Looper

On a second viewing I think the situation is salvageable. I think as the junior partner Zelenksy needs to do the first bit of apologising which he seems to already be doing.

Most European comments that I've seen are of the opposite opinion. This clip from LBC is just one of many from European political commentators expressing the same.

He was invited to sign the deal that would have give the USA access to minerals and a good reason to protect their investment. It is in fact part of a pragmatic solution to ending this conflict. Unfortunately it will mean Ukraine losing both territory and face to Putin. Otherwise this conflict could go on for years. Putin couldnt care less how many men he loses, and neither could N. Korea. Europe are in no position to keep stumping up for years, and nobody is prepared to directly engage Putin. Pragmaticism and diplomacy is the only way to end this, but sadly whatever agreement is reached Putin will appear to have come off best.

The press conference was a disaster for all, except Putin. Team Trump was to blame but the jet lagged Zelensky should have swallowed his pride and not taken the bait, but I suspect knowing what is at stake, it will blow over. Arses will be kissed, apologies offered and hands will be shaked. The oily Starmer will attempt to take some credit and Macron and the Krauts will stop shitting their pants.

Originally Posted by Molle

Of course he was ambushed

I don't see this as a planned ambush. It does not seem to be in anybody's interests to have this fiasco erupt and sully the dignity of the Oval Office.

It seems much more likely that JD relative inexperience has seen him censure Zelensky for 'disresepcting' the office, not giving leeway for Zelensky's language barrier.

Trump is an emotional animal who then jumped when Z started getting into it with JD.

I think it is unlikely that the US administration at any level would 'plan' this mutually embarrassing press pantomime.

Originally Posted by Troy

My take, for what it's worth is that JD Vance started the fiasco

Essentially, yes, but I would say through inexperience, rather than with the intention of creating the scene that erupted.

Originally Posted by Looper

It does not seem to be in anybody's interests to have this fiasco erupt and sully the dignity of the Oval Office.

Not even Putins? Whose side Trump has clearly taken in this war.

Dignity of a government institution? Pfftt..... Did you forget about Jan. 6th? And how he pardoned them all.

Obtuse indeed.

Originally Posted by Looper

I don't see this as a planned ambush.

Fuck off. The only assholes saying that shit are far right media trumpanzee talking heads. Welcome to that club.

Originally Posted by Norton

What we see unfolding before our eyes is Yalta 2 where the big 3 carve up who gets to control the entire world.

Trump, Putin and Xi are the big 3 and, like it or not, the world is in for a major global power realignment.

Trump, Xi,putin what a deadly mix of assholes throw Elon Musc into the equation it just gets worse. We are fucked

Can i ask what you cousins across the pond think of the meeting in the oval office? I'm not well read into the media in the US, setting aside fox news, what is the mood music?

Originally Posted by pickel

A member of the press??? Hardly, it was Marjorie Taylor Greenes boyfriend pretending to be a reporter

The BBC is saying the question came form 'a reporter'

How Zelensky'''s lack of a suit may have fuelled Oval Office spat

I am surprised they are running an article on it.

Trumps initial joke at the front door seemed good-natured.

The 'reporter' seemed more aggressive and rude, but Trumps subsequent interjection was good-natured and conciliatory.

I don't think anybody really sees anything wrong with Zelensky dressing in fatigues as an adopted style when his country is in the midst of a brutal war. Seems like a sideshow distraction of an issue.

Hymn to the Fallen - Musikkapelle Toblach, it a sad day.

Originally Posted by Loopy

Trumps subsequent interjection was good natured and conciliatory

Do you find it difficult to talk with Trumps mushroom cap shoved down your throat?

Originally Posted by Loopy

The BBC is saying the question came from a reporter

The reporter was Marjorie “Trailer” Greene’s boyfriend, Brian Glenn.

The hypocrisy of MAGA is astounding. They attack the president of a war-torn country for wearing military fatigues, but have no problem with Elon strutting around the Oval Office in his clown costume.

Sam Harris interviews Niall Ferguson, the economic historian and author, and husband of the lovely Ayaan Hirsi Ali.



It is a good interview. Harris has great analytical and communication skills and hates Trump. Ferguson is more of a conservative and thinks he sees some method in the madness.

I think it was recorded before Friday since they do not mention the debacle with Zelensky.

It is partially paywalled unfortunately so we only get the first half hour for free.

Donald Trump:Call of Booty

^lol!

Originally Posted by Looper

Sam Harris interviews Niall Ferguson, the economic historian and author

Ferguson was involved in quite a spat with Vance himself on X last week, but still sees some measure of reason behind Trump's attitude towards Ukraine

https://x.com/JDVance/status/1892569791140946073

Originally Posted by Loopy

sees some measure of reason behind Trump's attitude towards Ukraine

Measure of reason? Trump’s attitude towards Ukraine is, fuck off, and take it or leave it.

Europe has essentially told Frump to fuck off and now taken over peace negotiations.

Originally Posted by Norton

Europe has essentially told Frump to fuck off and now taken over peace negotiations.

Hmm not sure about that.

You have France with Micron, I think he sees this as his opportunity to reinvigorate his ratings. He also has pushed dor an EU army and to rearm but with France front and center on this so really its more self interest personally and fir his country before helping Ukr.

Germany which holds the EU purse strings has been fairly quiet and with change in Govt and a loose alliance of centre left parties I'm not sure they have the mandate or desire for head on conflict with either the US or taking an active role in Ukr.

The UK is trying to form up a coalition to find a plan to put to the US but there is already a tension with France who see themselves as the lead country in the EU and Micron has already gone off script.

The US is not taking the EU/UK pact seriously. Why because they know the EU/UK pact doesn't have the arms or sufficient willpower to take an active role and behind it all is the Orange Child who wants 2 things. A shot at the Nobel Peace Prize and wringing as much out of Ukr as he can get.

We are a long way off the EU/UK being able to take the lead role on this and I fear the US will tighten the screws and force Ukr into a deal whilst Russia jump on the current weakness of the allies

Originally Posted by Norton

Europe has essentially told Frump to fuck off and now taken over peace negotiations.

and they are doing it without a Neo-colonialistic ulterior motive.
There will probably not be time for a Trump state visit in King Charles schedule this year..

^^^^^

Yes…….. under their breath

What's this odorous clump?
Ah America goes for a dump
Wants pay in Ukrainian Ore
He pimps USA like a whore
Peacemonger "Don" Trump

If I was as rich as Putin, I'd be trying to work some money into the Trump family's back pocket. I'd also have a long chat with Comrade Xi about doing something for Musk. As Bolton basically said in the long article posted by tax, Trump is for sale. Then I'd sit back and smile as my hold over the GOP strengthened.