Thread: President Trump - 2nd Term

Originally Posted by Looper

I like Zelensky a lot but I wonder if he may have to resign after that diplomatic debacle.

You sir are a fucking idiot.

Originally Posted by pickel

I think it's time for the sane world leaders to just ignore Trump. Don't even take his calls. If you want to do business with America, talk to the Governors. If he hits you with tariffs, hit him back with double. It might hurt, but not as much as kissing his ring would.

If only we could get a few republicans to stand up to Trump and tell him to his face what a total ass and phuck up he is. Right now all the repubs suck up to him. That has to end.

Originally Posted by malmomike77

I'm just very sad about the whole thing, its playing into Russia and Ultimately Chinas hand which is the real power out of the three.

As an American, what I saw today was the most appalling behavior of a President and Vice president in my life. It left me feeling sick, and I still am.

Originally Posted by malmomike77

I grew up through the cold war and if anything it feels less stable now, allies didn't fuk each other over for a dollar. what a mess

We are heading into the most unstable time of the industrial era, make no doubt. I have already said it, but I will say it again, the UK and EU had better prepare for war because it is coming.

Originally Posted by bsnub

I have already said it, but I will say it again, the UK and EU had better prepare for war because it is coming.

Canada should prepare too. Because Dictators always invade their neighbors first.

The US has been by far Ukraine's biggest financial and military backer to date

(That 'Quote' function isn't working for me, again.)

Loops, I think you are listening too much to Trump. His constant bleating about $350 Billion doesn't match statements from the Pentagon who reported about $100 Billion worth of aid to Ukraine, although that number does not count the soft costs of administration within the US.

Meanwhile, EU assistance has topped $145 Billion to date, plus another $54 Billion in future commitments.

EU Assistance to Ukraine (in U.S. Dollars) | EEAS

The UK is not counted in the EU number, thank you Brexit idiots. I cannot find the UK number, which is very significant.

Europe's total support is double the US's.

The US has contributed greatly. Trump's claim to be Ukraine's biggest source of support is, like so many other things he says, simply a lie.

Originally Posted by Joe 90

It did smack of a scene from an American gangster movie.

Yeah, vulgar Sicilian hicks.

"Vulgar" really is the operative word here.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

^^Jesus. That meeting was a right shit show.

I really have to believe that Putin has some serious shit on trump.

Unbelievable.

Originally Posted by Shutree

the Pentagon who reported about $100 Billion worth of aid to Ukraine

the reality needs more publicity - how much of this aid was in equipment that was to be decommissioned ? and what was the cost saving of not having to pay for decommissioning ?

Originally Posted by taxexile

The majority have had enough

Correct.

And the main thing the majority in the UK did was kick the tories out.

Tories who oversaw rocketing illegal immigration after leaving the EU.


You're making about as much sense and communicating as much truth as Trump.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The orange turd and his paid-for lackey ambushed a world leader live on TV

The only version I watched was the first link posted, which was clipped

President Trump - 2nd Term

I have not watched the full meeting yet.

From the clip I saw it looked like both parties were just running through their standard pre-amble outlining their current thoughts with no conflict in the air.

It looked like the moment where Zelensky said 'Can I as a question' was where it escalated. It seemed like a normal diplomatic discussion up to that point.

I don't see how that was Zelensky being ambushed. It seemed more like ill advised escalation of the debate during what was supposed to be the usual press gallery photo shoot and handshake.

The contentious parts of the discussion should have been had behind closed doors. The guest escalating it in public at the press gallery does seem disrespectful of hosts and if anybody got ambushed it looked like Trump and Vance did.

But, like I say, I have not had a chance to view the whole meeting yet, although I did find a link. I will watch the full meeting later and if it looks different I am happy to revise my view of the event.

his lays things out


Countries That Have Committed the Most Aid to Ukraine


https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...aid-to-ukraine

Originally Posted by malmomike77

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sadly

The UK supported the US throught 2 ill thought out incursions in Iraq and Afghan, the later a complete waste of money and lives imo, we could have used gorrila warfare and really fukd up the locals instead of putting a footprint on the ground. Next time the US looks for support it may come with the same strings the orange cvnt thinks works with his allies.

I'm just very sad about the whole thing, its playing into Russia and Ultimately Chinas hand which is the real power out of the three.

I grew up through the cold war and if anything it feels less stable now, allies didn't fuk each other over for a dollar. what a mess

You are forgetting about the Australian military In both incursions Australia compiled with our allies. We can't trust this kunt to.

Originally Posted by baldrick

the reality needs more publicity - how much of this aid was in equipment that was to be decommissioned ? and what was the cost saving of not having to pay for decommissioning ?

Good point

Originally Posted by taxexile

Indeed. As Nid suggested I would imagine that Putin really does have those hinted at videos of hookers pissing into a nappy wearing Trumps mouth.

Putin is in no position to start a fight with Europe at the moment, and I cant see Trump being in power in 5 years time. Common sense may indeed prevail in the USA. But the world is changing and the EU is almost broken as an economic power, self inflicted net zero madness, woke immigration and excessive human rights idiocy are seeing to that, and pressure from Putin and China can accelerate its decline without even firing one bullet. Thankfully the UK is not aligned with the EU anymore, but Trump has us over a barrel.

We are in the age of the dictator, hardly a surprise though after years of virtue signalling weak liberal kow towing to activist pressure groups that ignore the majority and seek to dominate the narrative. The majority have had enough and swung the pendulum right back to the limit.

I was prepared to give Trump a chance, but his treatment of Zelensky has irrevocably changed my mind.

As has been said, Putin seems to have some power over him.

But Trump and Zelensky have history.
Look up the Paul Manafort debacle and you can see where Trumps longstanding grudge against him originated.

I am in complete agreement tax

Originally Posted by malmomike77

Countries That Have Committed the Most Aid to Ukraine

The U.S. is flexing its military might, committing weapons and equipment valued at close to $71 billion

nothing that has been provided has been recent vintage except for intelligence

Originally Posted by Looper

I will watch the full meeting later and if it looks different I am happy to revise my view of the event.

Here is the link



First weird moment is at 12 minutes when Zelensky belittles the US contribution by comparing it unfavourably with the European contribution. This was a strange undiplomatic move and ruffled the comfortable flow of the press presentation.

Trump then relieves the pressure a minute later with some humour claiming to be far superior to Washington and Lincoln. He is actually making fun of his own famous ego here, so he does have a sense of humour.

Then at 14 Trump makes a mistake by offering sympathy for Russian lives lost as well as Ukrainian which understandably riles Zelenskyy

Then there is nothing notable for half an hour. Trump even said at 29 minutes that US was committed to NATO.

Trump then makes a strange comment about Zelenskys hatred of Putin at 39 minutes which ruffled Zelensky a bit.

JD pipes up at 40 minutes but says nothing exceptional and Zelensky says 'can I ask you?' and then he presses JD hard on what kind of diplomacy will work

JD then calls him disrespectful. It was bit premature of JD to censure Zelensky and it just spirals between the pair of them from there where Zelensky does use what sounds like disrespectful language. Trump takes exception to Zelensky presuming to tell him that the US will feel pain in the future. Poor choice of words from Zelensky but it is not his first language. From there it goes nuclear. JDs (and later Trump's) assertion that Z should be thankful for the arms is pointless and avoidable salt in the wounds.

Hugely unfortunate sequence of events. I think diplomatic mistakes were made on both sides.

On a second viewing I think the situation is salvageable. I think as the junior partner Zelenksy needs to do the first bit of apologising which he seems to already be doing.

It was a mistake to have such a long press conference before such a delicate negotiation. If they had simply wrapped it up after 20 minutes and got down to negotiations on the deal in private this diplomatic catastrophe would not have happened.

Originally Posted by Shutree

Europe's total support is double the US's.

The BBC says that US is by far the biggest donor of military support to Ukraine

Ukraine weapons: What arms are the US, UK and other nations supplying?

^ There's also a video clip of Trump welcoming Zalensky at the door. The first thing Trump did was have a joke about Zalenksy's attire.

^A member of the press asked a cheeky question during the session about Zelensky's lack of suit. A bit of a stupid question. Trump mediated the matter with good natured humour and Zelensky brushed it off.

The whole fiasco at the end could easily have been avoided and I think the reports of a disastrous rift in US-Euro relations as a result will prove to be overstated.

^^^ you are trying to wade through a child's tantrum, the sane world or what was before the orange moron got elected didn't start throwing its toys around in public. The only winners are the yellow scum and the war criminal, they must be loving this.

The sad fact is that as well as the wasted lives on all sides for no good reason thar a silly little man trying to make his mark on history there is the enormous waste of money and not a single country has the money to waste, its all borrowed and servicing that debt is paid with austerity and ultimately lives due to lack of investment in health and social support.

The whole thing is a travesty.