Thread: President Trump - 2nd Term

Originally Posted by Looper

^A member of the press asked a cheeky question during the session about Zelensky's lack of suit. A bit of a stupid question. Trump mediated the matter with good natured humour and Zelensky brushed it off.

A member of the press??? Hardly, it was Marjorie Taylor Greenes boyfriend pretending to be a reporter and was no doubt concocted with Trump and Vance to be part of the ambush.

Originally Posted by pickel

concocted with Trump and Vance to be part of the ambush

It looked to me more like a hugely unfortunate diplomatic fiasco, with mistakes made on both sides, rather than a planned ambush.

Originally Posted by Looper

It looked to me more like a hugely unfortunate diplomatic fiasco, with mistakes made on both sides, rather than a planned ambush.

Trump had his own reality TV show, he cares about TV ratings for every thing he does. He even said at the end of the meeting it would make for great TV.

You're being a bit obtuse Looper.

My take, for what it's worth is that JD Vance started the fiasco. Zalensky pulled him up on it, Vance escalated it and Trump tried to defend his VP.

Embarrassing for the USA rather than Zalensky, more so because Europe is backing the latter.

Trump is just too naive to understand the Russian/Ukraine conflict and has made himself look the fool everyone knows he is.

^ naive? You have a Govt that allows a prick like him to represent the country. Amazing

Originally Posted by pickel

You're being a bit obtuse Looper.

His true colors are showing.

Originally Posted by Troy

My take, for what it's worth is that JD Vance started the fiasco. Zalensky pulled him up on it, Vance escalated it and Trump tried to defend his VP.

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Exactly.

Originally Posted by Looper

I don't see how that was Zelensky being ambushed. It seemed more like ill advised escalation of the debate during what was supposed to be the usual press gallery photo shoot and handshake.

Of course he was ambushed, he was only invited to get intimidated, bullied.

Originally Posted by Looper

On a second viewing I think the situation is salvageable. I think as the junior partner Zelenksy needs to do the first bit of apologising which he seems to already be doing.

Most European comments that I've seen are of the opposite opinion. This clip from LBC is just one of many from European political commentators expressing the same.

He was invited to sign the deal that would have give the USA access to minerals and a good reason to protect their investment. It is in fact part of a pragmatic solution to ending this conflict. Unfortunately it will mean Ukraine losing both territory and face to Putin. Otherwise this conflict could go on for years. Putin couldnt care less how many men he loses, and neither could N. Korea. Europe are in no position to keep stumping up for years, and nobody is prepared to directly engage Putin. Pragmaticism and diplomacy is the only way to end this, but sadly whatever agreement is reached Putin will appear to have come off best.

The press conference was a disaster for all, except Putin. Team Trump was to blame but the jet lagged Zelensky should have swallowed his pride and not taken the bait, but I suspect knowing what is at stake, it will blow over. Arses will be kissed, apologies offered and hands will be shaked. The oily Starmer will attempt to take some credit and Macron and the Krauts will stop shitting their pants.

Originally Posted by Molle

Of course he was ambushed

I don't see this as a planned ambush. It does not seem to be in anybody's interests to have this fiasco erupt and sully the dignity of the Oval Office.

It seems much more likely that JD relative inexperience has seen him censure Zelensky for 'disresepcting' the office, not giving leeway for Zelensky's language barrier.

Trump is an emotional animal who then jumped when Z started getting into it with JD.

I think it is unlikely that the US administration at any level would 'plan' this mutually embarrassing press pantomime.

Originally Posted by Troy

My take, for what it's worth is that JD Vance started the fiasco

Essentially, yes, but I would say through inexperience, rather than with the intention of creating the scene that erupted.

Originally Posted by Looper

It does not seem to be in anybody's interests to have this fiasco erupt and sully the dignity of the Oval Office.

Not even Putins? Whose side Trump has clearly taken in this war.

Dignity of a government institution? Pfftt..... Did you forget about Jan. 6th? And how he pardoned them all.

Obtuse indeed.

Originally Posted by Looper

I don't see this as a planned ambush.

Fuck off. The only assholes saying that shit are far right media trumpanzee talking heads. Welcome to that club.

Originally Posted by malmomike77

The UK supported the US throught 2 ill thought out incursions in Iraq and Afghan, the later a complete waste of money and lives imo, we could have used gorrila warfare and really fukd up the locals instead of putting a footprint on the ground. Next time the US looks for support it may come with the same strings the orange cvnt thinks works with his allies.

-Just wonder who was behind these provoked wars with Iraq, Afghanistan and lets not forget Libya? USRAEL?
The cost of war is peanuts compared to the cost of refugees we have to deal with now.

-The U.S. was forcing its Western allies to take tough action against Moscow? And now we are left again with a big bill and refugees.

“America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests." H.Kissinger

Originally Posted by bsnub

Oh get real. Do you really think that the UK would nuke ruzzia if Poland was invaded?

The U.K. totally depends on the U.S. for its Nuclear Submarines. The missiles and maintenance of their subs are all "Made in U.S.A."

Can i ask what you cousins across the pond think of the meeting in the oval office? I'm not well read into the media in the US, setting aside fox news, what is the mood music?

Originally Posted by pickel

A member of the press??? Hardly, it was Marjorie Taylor Greenes boyfriend pretending to be a reporter

The BBC is saying the question came form 'a reporter'

How Zelensky'''s lack of a suit may have fuelled Oval Office spat

I am surprised they are running an article on it.

Trumps initial joke at the front door seemed good-natured.

The 'reporter' seemed more aggressive and rude, but Trumps subsequent interjection was good-natured and conciliatory.

I don't think anybody really sees anything wrong with Zelensky dressing in fatigues as an adopted style when his country is in the midst of a brutal war. Seems like a sideshow distraction of an issue.

Originally Posted by Norton

What we see unfolding before our eyes is Yalta 2 where the big 3 carve up who gets to control the entire world.

Trump, Putin and Xi are the big 3 and, like it or not, the world is in for a major global power realignment.

Trump, Xi,putin what a deadly mix of assholes throw Elon Musc into the equation it just gets worse. We are fucked

Hymn to the Fallen - Musikkapelle Toblach, it a sad day.

Originally Posted by Loopy

The BBC is saying the question came from a reporter

The reporter was Marjorie “Trailer” Greene’s boyfriend, Brian Glenn.

The hypocrisy of MAGA is astounding. They attack the president of a war-torn country for wearing military fatigues, but have no problem with Elon strutting around the Oval Office in his clown costume.

Originally Posted by Loopy

Trumps subsequent interjection was good natured and conciliatory

Do you find it difficult to talk with Trumps mushroom cap shoved down your throat?

"Let this sink in... The president of a war-torn Ukraine, a US ally, has become the first leader in history to be thrown out of the White House. Not a dictator, not a disgraced politician - the president of Ukraine, a country suffering the worst invasion of the 21st century. The country to which the US government vowed to bring peace. In an ugly exchange, the president and his vice president jointly rebuked Zelensky for being 'not grateful' enough for aid to Ukraine. But it seems that gratitude to the American people is not what Trump and Vance were after. They wanted him to beg for mercy and fall to his knees before Trump. Kiss the ring,"

Editorial: A president just disrespected America in the Oval Office. It wasn’t Zelensky