Thread: President Trump - 2nd Term

^^^Gotta admire Zelensky's balls

...but I think that his diplomatic tactical approach is going to backfire with Trump being as sensitive as he is to public insults and slights.

Like night and day compared with the fawning Starmer and his State Visit invitation yesty

There were 2 wankers in that and they didn't fly in from a country that has been attacked by Putin. Zelensky would not be in this position if Europe stood up fukd off the US in this, its on their doorstep and has been for a decade. I hope Zelensky doesn't sign yhe mineral rights, fuk Trump and the US, they are abdicating the right to act as a peace maintaining 'superpower'

The US can do what it likes atm but its long term allies won't forget this

Originally Posted by nidhogg

I really have to believe that Putin has some serious shit on trump.

That must be one entertaining pee tape!

Originally Posted by malmomike77

The US can do what it likes atm but its long term allies won't forget this

I’m afraid you’re 100% correct.

There's principles and there's greed.

Trump and Putin are going for the greed deal.

It may lead to short term peace but it'll end up with long term hatred and suffering.

Originally Posted by malmomike77

I hope Zelensky doesn't sign yhe mineral rights, fuk Trump and the US, they are abdicating the right to act as a peace maintaining 'superpower'

The US has gone from a democratic powerhouse to a mercenary state, whose only interest is "what is in it for them".

And yes. Zelinsky should tell trump to go fuck himself, and do a deal with Europe and Canada for those rights.

Originally Posted by beachbound

I’m afraid you’re 100% correct.

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sadly

The UK supported the US throught 2 ill thought out incursions in Iraq and Afghan, the later a complete waste of money and lives imo, we could have used gorrila warfare and really fukd up the locals instead of putting a footprint on the ground. Next time the US looks for support it may come with the same strings the orange cvnt thinks works with his allies.

I'm just very sad about the whole thing, its playing into Russia and Ultimately Chinas hand which is the real power out of the three.

I grew up through the cold war and if anything it feels less stable now, allies didn't fuk each other over for a dollar. what a mess

I agree but not the same way. Just play along and form up and reach a concensus. Absent the US the EU, UK and allies Inc Canada have enought to deter Putin and should do so, Russia will run out of liquidity fact and the Allies and I don't include the US in that have enough to gear up and support our friends in Ukr. I hope we make the right judgement on this.

I like Zelensky a lot but I wonder if he may have to resign after that diplomatic debacle.

Originally Posted by Looper

I like Zelensky a lot but I wonder if he may have to resign after that diplomatic debacle.

Nope, what he needs and what the Ukr people deserve is support, hopefuly from allies and that ain't the US it seems, they should be ashamed.

^Well, let's see. But they will surely be cracking open the Krug in the Kremlin tonight after that pandemonious pantomime.

Sad day for USA, Zelensky and the Ukrainians, great for evil dictators and their apologists.

^^ I may read you wrong but you seem to enjoy this.

i fukin hate it, in the meantime that orange cvnt has wasted lives cosying up to his mate all for the sake of money, its all he understands and that whitehouse meeting you could see Zelensky shaking over his frustraion with his country and the lives lost.

^ does he speak for the US? is this the state of the US constitution that the Orange cvnt can unpick decades of alliances and turn their country into a pan handling laughing stock all because they have no sanction against voting in a dangerous idiot, i don't know.. In wetsrern democracy would they allow this?

Originally Posted by malmomike77

^^ I may read you wrong but you seem to enjoy this

Well, the pantomime in the Oval Office was high entertainment in the heat of the moment, but the consequences and fallout for Ukraine could be quite grim.

I almost wonder of Zelensky had decided in advance that there was not going to be a deal. The way he blew things up in front of the press gallery rather than waiting to get into the private meeting before getting down to it.

Maybe he thinks this is how to get the rest of the non-US allies to rally round but I fear he may have made a grave miscalculation.

The US has been by far Ukraine's biggest financial and military backer to date and one of the main reasons they are still in the fight. To publicly denounce and alienate your biggest backer like that during the opening scene of a crucially important visit seems grossly ill advised diplomacy.

Zelensky has laid bare the ugly truth about Trump, the Godfather President | The Independent

It may be the moment an entire nation was wiped off the world map.

Or worse, it might trigger events that are a threat way beyond the borders of Ukraine.
A threat to the rest of Europe and, yes, a threat to Britain. There is no point denying it.
But the extraordinary televised clash between President Zelensky and Donald Trump and his sidekick JD Vance was not just momentous for what it meant to the global political situation.
It was the moment the world saw the truth about three men.
On one side, Zelensky – physically small, but a giant in moral stature – the comedian who became an accidental hero, elected to lead his country only to see it invaded by the murderous totalitarian monster that is Vladimir Putin.
How Zelensky rose to the challenge as he led his plucky nation’s brave resistance to evil Putin.
Every world leader worth their salt has queued up to praise Zelensky for his remarkable courage.
Britain – including Boris Johnson, for all his faults – can take pride in the way that he, and all of us, have supported Zelensky and Ukraine, with many Britons welcoming Ukrainians in their homes.
The raw courage of little Zelensky was there for all to see as he fought for his and his country’s life in the Oval Office.
And now let us look at the other two men in the room.
The vulgar, threatening, ignorant, snarling, arrogant bully that is the leader of the free world, God help us.

The man who had the nerve to call noble Zelensky a dictator and who cosies up to the dictator called Putin who ordered the attempted murder of people on the streets of Salisbury, never mind tens of thousands of innocent women and children in Ukraine.
And look at the vile piece of work that made up the trio, the bearded JD Vance. Acting like Trump’s burly enforcer thug, barking at Zelensky to show “respect” to the Godfather President.
It was as though they had defenceless Zelensky on the floor, jeering at him, vying to kick him in the head, determined to make him grovel, break his resistance.
But Zelensky is made of sterner stuff than these two Neanderthals. Was I the only one who cheered out loud as he stuck to his guns?
Heaven knows what the implications are of yesterday’s appalling scenes. Doubtless there will be some who blame Zelensky for not fawning over Trump, and accuse him of bringing the President’s wrath on his own head.
I disagree. All he did was to tell the truth: if the whole world – and, yes, including America – does not stand with Ukraine against Russia, the consequences will be unimaginable for Ukraine and, in all likelihood, the rest of us in the West, too.


Zelensky knows what is going on: Trump wants to sell Ukraine down the river so he can pillage its minerals, without offering any troops to keep Russia at bay in return – the so-called “backstop” security guarantee – and carve up other lucrative deals with Putin, with no regard to the fate of Europe, or anyone else whatsoever.
There is another way of looking at yesterday’s Oval Office atrocity. The world owes Zelensky a favour for showing the true face of Trump and Vance: a pair of gangsters who are waging war on truth and democracy and will threaten and avenge anyone who gets in their way.
We were all going to have to confront that fact sooner or later. It has just become a lot sooner.
There is another way to handle meetings with Trump in his Oval Office lair: promise to spend billions more on defence to save him money, throw baubles and red carpet visits to flatter his vanity, don’t contradict a word he says, grin when he patronises your wife, laugh at his crass jokes, and fall at his feet when he offers peanuts in return – like a deal on the Chagos Islands, for example.
That was Keir Starmer’s approach, and Trump was charm personified.
As we now see, it was an illusion

Originally Posted by Loopy

I wonder if he may have to resign after that diplomatic debacle.

Because he didn’t drop to his knees, and kiss the ring? Idiotic comment

Originally Posted by Loopy

The US has been by far Ukraine’s biggest financial backer

Wrong, again. Europe has given more money.

Trump and his cronies are alienating their country by what they are doing and none of their allies will want anything to do with Trump/USA which is happening. Canada is already looking at the EU and China for trade. Many Americans are fed up as well, taking to the streets and protesting against Trump and what he is doing firing everyday working class Americans.

What happened in the oval office makes the US a laughing stock, which it has been since Trump took office. I feel extremely bad for Zelensky and the Ukrainian people, and if it can happen to Ukraine, what country will be next?

I like watching the Meidas touch network. Ben says it as it is and then some.

Originally Posted by david44

Sad day for USA, Zelensky and the Ukrainians, great for evil dictators and their apologists.

The way Trump takes over the conversation, and him and his party bully Zelensky in the oval office,.. well it makes me really mad and sick.
All it is about is money and greed. Power, money and greed run the US. God damn what is Kamala thinking right now when she was so opposite to Trump and didn't get in .

It did smack of a scene from an American gangster movie.

Originally Posted by Joe 90

It did smack of a scene from an American gangster movie.

It was pre-planned theater, and there was nothing Zelensky could have done to prevent it, short of getting on his hands and knees and kissing their feet on live TV.

Trump: You don’t have the cards!

Zelensky:We’re not playing cards.