Ukraine war mega thread

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Apologies, wrong thread.

[david44]

Rush her today over there on the Smoochi link

[Troy]

Where is your rebuttal to the UN Secretary-Genera's statement? Enlighten us.

Send your concerns to:

Are you going to cite the quote?

Pretty difficult when there's no publically available transcript with any such quote.

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"04/07/2014 Ban Ki-moon UN Secretary-General made a surprising statement, which was banned from broadcasting on Ukrainian media and the internet. The conflict between the two countries was discussed at the UN Security Council meeting.

After looking I can't find any meeting on this date.

2014 (S/RES/2133-2195) - UN Security Council Meetings & Outcomes Tables - Research Guides at United Nations Dag Hammarskjöld Library

And Ban said this:

Secretary-General Reiterates Call for Preservation of Ukraine’s Independence, Sovereignty, Territorial Integrity, Direct Dialogue to Solve Crisis

Secretary-General Reiterates Call for Preservation of Ukraine’s Independence, Sovereignty, Territorial Integrity, Direct Dialogue to Solve Crisis | UN Press


If he said it somewhere else, then post it.


Fucking hell, man

Was a good one

[baldrick]

Trying to read the cut and pasted posts is an exercise in futility

Just do what everyone else does and scroll on by

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Trying to read the cut and pasted posts is an exercise in futility

Just do what everyone else does and scroll on by

The wallpaper posts created by Hugh Cow are worse.



(I only read posts that fit my narrative, Life's simpler like that)

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The dwindling 16% are off on a new tack.

OCTOBER 21, 2023 BY M. K. BHADRAKUMAR


Biden gives booster dose to the faltering Ukraine war

"The prognosis of “war fatigue” on the part of the United States and its allies in the proxy war in Ukraine was greatly exaggerated. On the contrary, the war is acquiring a new swagger.

The Biden Administration is riding a tiger and a dismount is fraught with the danger of being devoured by the beastly consequences of defeat in the war, which could only lead to the discredit of trans-atlanticism and the disintegration of NATO, and spell the doom for US’ global hegemony.

Biden’s formal address to the nation from the Oval Office on Thursday can only be seen as the launch of a new phase of the Ukraine war carrying forward the the demonising of Putin to a new level, Biden weaves together a new narrative claiming that Hamas and the Russian leader both want to “completely annihilate a neighbouring democracy — completely annihilate it.”

The bedrock of Biden’s argument was that resolute support of US allies is essential for preserving American primacy in the world. The main plot was that the hybrid war in Ukraine will continue so long as Biden remains in office in the White House. It has morphed into a “forever war”. Biden called Ukraine President Vladimir Zelensky before making his speech.

Analysts would have us believe that Europe is increasingly disenchanted with the war. But Poland, a major frontline state, has just voted to power a centrist government that is cause for celebration in Kiev (and Washington). In Britain too, a similar outcome is to be expected — only that it will be Tweedledum replacing Tweedledee, two rotund little men of the Deep State who are identical except that they are left-right reversals of each other.

Make no mistake that the Joint Statement after the US-EU summit in Washington on October 20 amounts to a resounding victory for the Biden Administration as the EU agreed with the US on “unwavering” military support to Ukraine; demand that Russia should “end its brutal war and withdraw its military forces and proxies and military equipment immediately, completely, and unconditionally from the entire internationally recognised territory of Ukraine”; the imperative of restoration of “internationally recognised borders” in any peace settlement; forcing Russia to “bear the legal consequences of all its internationally wrongful acts” against Ukraine; further deepening of “joint work to undermine Russia’s ability to wage its war, and maintain and expand its defence industrial base and capacity”, and so on.

There is no sign of a potential wobbling in the steadfastness of Europe’s military support to Ukraine, either. The most recent example is Sweden where, as in other Nordic countries and across the Baltic states, geographical proximity to Russia has heightened security fears, and there is little sign of any wavering.

Politico reported on Tuesday that Sweden’s Defense Minister Pål Jonson had instructed the country’s military leadership to examine the potential impact of providing various types of support to Ukraine’s fighter-jet capability, including Gripen planes. The military is to report back to Jonson by November 6. This followed announcements by Sweden’s European neighbours Norway, Denmark, Belgium and the Netherlands that they planned to send Lockheed Martin F-16 jets to Kiev.

The expert opinion is that even a limited number of Gripen could meaningfully help Ukraine’s efforts to control its airspace, and is seen as relatively cheap and easy to maintain jet that can operate from shorter, narrower runways, including improvised landing strips on straight stretches of highways, thus reducing the risk of aircraft congregating at a larger base and being destroyed by a single enemy attack.

As for the US, now we know that the Biden Administration was dissimulating as regards the ATACMS missiles, whereas, it had already surreptitiously equipped Kiev’s forces with that system. Furthermore, encouraged by the success of Kiev’s devastating attack on the Russian-controlled airfield attacks in Beryansk and Luhansk on Tuesday by using ATACMS (which reportedly destroyed multiple Russian helicopters, an ammunition dump, and an air defence system), the Biden Administration is now considering supply of an advanced version of the missile that can fire twice (190 miles) as far as the ones Ukraine just received (100 miles only).

Certainly, there is no weakening of Biden’s resolve. In fact, National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan brazenly disclosed on Friday in a special White House briefing that Washington has “contracted for certain types of weapons systems that have yet to be delivered because they’re still in production.” Plainly out, the Biden Administration considers it possible to hand over weapons and military vehicles to Ukraine that have never been shipped before.

“The President has the discretion based on circumstances of the conflict, the situation on the ground, consultations with allies to make determinations about whether he will provide weapons systems to Ukraine that we have not previously provided,” Sullivan noted. He then went on to explain that the US has “contracted for certain types of weapons systems that have yet to be delivered because they’re still in production. We expect them to be delivered in the coming months.”

Yet another flawed assumption has been that within the US Congress, a groundswell of opinion is building that would make it increasingly difficult for the Biden Administration to get approval for military aid to Ukraine in an election year. But, as luck would have it, Biden, who is an immensely experienced politician in navigating challenging legislations, has found an ingenious way.

Candidate Vivek Ramaswamy put it nicely, “They’re intentionally combining the debates around Ukraine, Israel, & our border to ram through the $61BN for Ukraine that otherwise would have never passed.” According to White House documents, the request for the fiscal year 2024 proposes to allocate over $61.4 billion for Ukraine and over $14.3 billion for Israel.

Sullivan called the Biden administration’s latest budget request as coming “amid a global inflection point” following the Hamas attack on Israel “and as the people of Ukraine continue to fight every day for their freedom and independence against Russian brutality.” He turned the focus on Biden’s new narrative that “the outcome of these fights for democracy against terrorism and tyranny are vital to the safety and security of the American people.”

Who can say now that what happens in Ukraine, which is 10000 kms away, does not concern the United States? Biden began his speech on Thursday on a Churchillian note: “We’re facing an inflection point in history — one of those moments where the decisions we make today are going to determine the future for decades to come. That’s what I’d like to talk with you about tonight.”

He went on to say, “American leadership is what holds the world together. American alliances are what keep us, America, safe. American values are what make us a partner that other nations want to work with. To put all that at risk if we walk away from Ukraine, if we turn our backs on Israel, it’s just not worth it.”

So, Ukraine war is no longer about the Westphalian principle of national sovereignty and the UN Charter — or even about this being not an era of wars. It is actually about American leadership, American alliances, American values — plainly put, hegemony, NATO, exceptionalism."

Biden gives booster dose to the faltering Ukraine war - Indian Punchline

[baldrick]

(I only read posts that fit my narrative, Life's simpler like that)

Which means you have to read all posts to decide if the fit you narrative.

Though only reading your own posts would work also

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Which means you have to read all posts to decide if the fit you narrative.

Nope

One look at headline or author and I'll know the content.

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Telephone conversation with President of Brazil Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva

Vladimir Putin had a telephone conversation with President of the Federative Republic of Brazil Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, at the Brazilian side’s initiative.

October 23, 202318:25

"The rapidly deteriorating situation in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict zone was discussed in detail, with deep concern expressed for the growing number of civilian casualties and emphasis on the critical importance of rapidly achieving a ceasefire, evacuating foreign citizens from the Gaza Strip, and ensuring unhindered access of humanitarian aid to the enclave.

Given Brazil's presidency of the UN Security Council this month, various aspects of joint work were considered, with a view to taking urgent and effective measures through the UN to de-escalate the crisis and meaningfully advance the peace process via the generally accepted international legal framework that provides for the establishment of an independent Palestinian state coexisting in peace and security with Israel.

During an exchange views on the Ukrainian issue, Vladimir Putin gave his fundamental assessment of the destructive policy of the Kiev regime and its Western patrons, and reaffirmed Russia’s openness to dialogue provided Russia’s stated terms are met by the Kiev authorities and new realities are taken into account. The President of Brazil, in turn, spoke in favour of finding ways to resolve the conflict by political and diplomatic means.

Both sides expressed the desire to continue closely cooperating within BRICS and the G20, in which Russia and Brazil respectively preside next year, as well as to develop mutually beneficial cooperation between the two countries in a multitude of areas.

It was agreed to continue contacts."

Telephone conversation with President of Brazil Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva • President of Russia

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Wrong thread, again.

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Originally Posted by Pragmatic (Hamas Attack, breakout from Gaza many rockets fired)
People on here say that the land of Ukraine belongs to Russia For me I believe Russia owns it by 'Right of Conquest'. Right of conquest - Wikipedia

Google up how many other countries around the world have abided by this law and still do.

Hang on

I'll post that up in the Ukraine thread.

I'll redirect all incoming reds from BSnaps to you

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Zelensky orders Ukrainian army to advance '500 meters a day'

RT.com
24th October 2023, 11:38 GMT+11

The president has demanded daily progress in Kiev's lagging counteroffensive

Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky has given his military a tall order, demanding that they take at least 500 meters of territory every day after suffering tens of thousands of casualties in their floundering counteroffensive against Russian forces.

"Ukraine needs results every day," Zelensky said in his evening video address on Sunday. "We need to resist the Russian assaults, kill the occupiers and move forward.

We must advance by at least a kilometer, at least 500 meters, every day. We must keep moving forward in order to improve the Ukrainian positions and put pressure on the occupiers."

Such progress is needed to strengthen Ukraine and motivate foreign allies to provide more military support, Zelensky said, adding that next week "will bring more opportunities for Ukraine."


Zelensky made his comments at a time when Russian forces are advancing around the town of Avdeevka in the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) and Kupyansk, in Ukraine's Kharkov Region.

Earlier this month, Russian President Vladimir Putin estimated that Ukrainian forces had suffered more than 90,000 casualties in their counteroffensive, which began in early June, describing it as "failed."

Meanwhile, the head of Ukrainian military intelligence, Kirill Budanov, admitted in an interview that the operation isn't so much "behind schedule" as off the schedule entirely.

Kiev also faces a potential competition for Western support and attention after surprise attacks by Hamas ignited a new war in Israel earlier this month.

Even before the latest Israel-Hamas conflict began, President Joe Biden's administration was struggling to win approval from US lawmakers for additional military and economic aid to Ukraine.

The White House unveiled a $106 billion emergency spending request on Friday, including $61.4 billion for Kiev, $14.3 billion for Israel and $9.2 billion for related humanitarian aid.

Most congressional Republicans voted against a smaller Ukraine aid bill earlier this month, and the Pentagon warned that it had exhausted "nearly all available security-assistance funding" for Kiev that was previously approved.

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Davai davai

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Military expert Vladislav Shurygin: The Pentagon has become sharply concerned about the suddenly increased effectiveness of the Russian Aerospace Forces.


"In two weeks, the Russians staged a real massacre in the Ukrainian sky. The Ukrainian Armed Forces lost at least 10 of their aircraft (according to other sources, 14).

Moreover, all of them were shot down far from the front line and outside the radius of Russian air defense systems, as well as outside the standard radius of Russian fighter missiles. Those pilots who were able to eject reported that until the moment their planes were hit, they did not receive warning information about the attack from the appropriate warning systems.

The Americans believe that the Russian Aerospace Forces have acquired new missiles capable of not only hitting targets at a great distance, but also, after launch, independently pursuing a target without illuminating it from the aircraft’s radar, using a radio signature to guide it (the target).

Now Americans carefully check this information and consider it critically important. Since, if it is confirmed, it means that the Russians have acquired a weapon that will neutralize all the advertised advantages of their new main fighter, the F-35."

https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status...61720864383342

As NaGaStan's military advantage is considered to be their ability to destroy any opponent's air power, and thus repel any competitor attacks, loss of their air superiority puts all their military at risk, not just the F-35.

[Troy]

^ Up your game ohoh...

...that's ancient history regarding the MiG-31 ad the R33 and R37 a2a missiles.

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"In two weeks, the Russians staged a real massacre in the Ukrainian sky. The Ukrainian Armed Forces lost at least 10 of their aircraft (according to other sources, 14).

Just watced a video claiming the number is up at.. 24 'aircrafts'.

MIG 29s and I forgot which the others were.

And yes,the R37 was mentioned

[Neverna]

Just watced a video claiming the number is up at.. 24 'aircrafts'.

MIG 29s and I forgot which the others were.

And yes,the R37 was mentioned

MiG-29s, Su-25s, Su-24s, and one L-39, according to RT.

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according to RT.

Any russian losses ?

[Neverna]

Any russian losses ?

The article mentions one Mi8 helicopter being taken down but it's not really clear who it belonged to.

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MiG-31 ad the R33 and R37 a2a missiles.

Allegedly things have moved on.

RUSSIA'S DEFENSE INDUSTRY24 OCT, 13:58

Defense contractor delivers next batch of advanced Su-35S fighter jets to Russian troops
According to Rostec First Deputy CEO Vladimir Artyakov, this is not the last delivery of aircraft this year

MOSCOW, October 24. /TASS/.

"The Gagarin Aviation Plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur in the Russian Far East (part of the United Aircraft Corporation within the state tech giant Rostec) has delivered a new batch of advanced Su-35S fighter jets to Russia’s Aerospace Forces, the Rostec press office reported on Tuesday.

"Our aircraft manufacturers have reached a good pace of rolling out combat aircraft and timely deliver them to the Russian Aerospace Forces. This is not the last delivery of aircraft this year. The Su-35S is one of the basic fighters in service with the Russian army and enjoys merited success. This supermaneuverable aircraft can accomplish a broad range of objectives and employ an entire spectrum of existing and future aircraft armaments," the press office quoted Rostec First Deputy CEO Vladimir Artyakov as saying.

United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) Head Yury Slyusar stressed that the corporation kept delivering aircraft to the Russian Aerospace Forces on schedule.

Su-35 fighter

The Su-35 (NATO reporting name: Flanker-E+) is a Russian generation 4++ multirole supermaneuverable fighter with a thrust-vectoring system codenamed the Su-35S in Russia’s Aerospace Forces.

The fighter is designed to gain air superiority by destroying manned and unmanned aerial vehicles with missiles at long, medium and short distances in long-and short-range maneuverable aerial battles, in autonomous operations and as part of an air taskforce, engage naval and ground targets by all types of armaments in any weather conditions and also ground infrastructure sites shielded by air defenses and located at considerable distances from the aircraft’s airfield.

The fighter has a maximum take-off weight of 34.5 metric tons and can accelerate to 2,500 km/h. The Su-35 has an operational range of 1,500-4,500 km and a service ceiling of 20,000 meters.

The Su-35 is capable of employing an entire range of existing and future air-launched air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles, including precision weapons. It carries a 30mm GSh-30-1 gun, short-, medium-and long-range air-to-air missiles, Kh-31, Kh-35U or Kh-59M anti-ship missiles and various types of precision munitions and rockets as its basic armament. The fighter integrates the IUS-35 information and control system and a phased array radar capable of detecting targets at a range of 100 km-400 km."

Defense contractor delivers next batch of advanced Su-35S fighter jets to Russian troops - Military & Defense - TASS

A lot of chatter.

"These new kills correspond to the introduction of Russia's latest AWACs plane. IMO, there's a new detection and targeting regime. Plus, there's the possibility that Russian AA missiles now have camera seeker heads similar to those used on the Lancet that can see the target at vast distances thus no radiation or other detection for the target to sense. Combined would be very effective."

"A-50 long-range radar detection aircraft during a special military operation in Ukraine."

A combination of improved aircraft, Russian A-50 AWACS, improved missile, radars, systems integration .....

[Troy]

^ I don't know of any air to air missile with a contrast or camera seeker head. I can't think of any advantage for using one, certainly not at long range. Even IR seekers are limited to short range missiles.

There are still a few air to ground missiles around with camera seekers, been available since the 70's, but were superseded by laser pod.

A-50 Mainstay has been operating since the start of the war and so has the SU-35S.

I'd have thought the Russians would be spending money on providing equipment for their infantry. More importantly, teaching their officers how to fight effectively.

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I'd have thought the Russians would be spending money on providing equipment for their infantry. More importantly, teaching their officers how to fight effectively.

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Spit it out.

You can't just leave after presenting such an opinion.



What do they do or not do and so on

[Norton]

There are still a few air to ground missiles around with camera seekers, been available since the 70's, but were superseded by laser pod.

I sold big bunches of Mavericks to nations all over Asia. When they recieved their first deliveries pilots were orgasmic and a bit trigger happy which was fine by me but not so fine by the big guys holding the purse strings.

[bsnub]

I stop posting in this thread for a few days, and the useful idiots ram it full of utter bullshit and lies.

Anyone that quotes RT is a full stop clown and should be pointed at and laughed at.

Zelensky orders Ukrainian army to advance '500 meters a day'

Lies.

"In two weeks, the Russians staged a real massacre in the Ukrainian sky. The Ukrainian Armed Forces lost at least 10 of their aircraft (according to other sources, 14).

More ruzzian lies. The reality is as usual the opposite. Typical ruzzian tactic.

MiG-29s, Su-25s, Su-24s, and one L-39, according to RT.

According to RT. Utterly laughable.

A-50 long-range radar detection aircraft during a special military operation in Ukraine.