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[OhOh]

Russia Has Gained More Territory This Year Than Ukraine'


NYT reports that despite nine months of heavy fighting, only about 500 square miles have changed hands in Ukraine this year


by Dave DeCamp Posted onSeptember 28, 2023CategoriesNewsTagsRussia, Ukraine


"Russian forces have gained more territory in Ukraine this year than the Ukrainian side despite the Ukrainian counteroffensive that was launched in June, The New York Times reported on Thursday.

The report noted that despite nine months of heavy fighting in Ukraine, only about 500 square miles of territory have changed hands this year. Russia has gained 331 square miles while Ukraine has gained 143, a difference of 188, which amounts to Russia’s net gain in territory so far this year.

Most of the fighting in the first half of the year focused around the Donbas city of Bakhmut, which Russia fully captured in May after a brutal battle that started in August 2022. Ukraine’s counteroffensive has focused on the south, but fighting has continued near Bakhmut and across the entire eastern front.

The Times quoted Marina Miron, a postdoctoral researcher in war studies at King’s College London, who said Russia appears to be comfortable holding the territory it currently controls rather than seeking rapid gains.

“It’s not losing anything by not moving forward,” Miron said. “The whole strategy in Ukraine is for the Russians to let the Ukrainians run against those defenses, kill as many as possible, and destroy as much Western equipment as possible.”

Continues at:

Russia Has Gained More Territory This Year Than Ukraine - News From Antiwar.com

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Ukrainian POW Gets Family Visit

https://t.me/southfronteng/38704

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IN BRIEF: Russian defense chief reveals Ukraine's military losses over past month.


Sergey Shoigu announced plans to improve the combat capabilities of the country’s airborne troops as well as the Eastern and Southern military districts

"MOSCOW, September 26. /TASS/. Ukraine has lost more than 17,000 soldiers so far this month, Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu told a ministry board meeting. According to him, Kiev lost three Western-made tanks, including two German Leopards and a British Challenger.

The defense chief also said that Russian troops had advanced in the Kupyansk direction as he announced plans to improve the combat capabilities of the country’s airborne troops as well as the Eastern and Southern military districts.

TASS has summarized the minister’s main statements.

On Russia’s special op
"Russian battlegroups persevere with active efforts to defeat the enemy," Shoigu said. Among other things, in the Kupyansk area, the control zone near the settlements of Sinkovka and Petropavlovka has been significantly extended," the Russian defense chief added.

"This month, over 17,000 soldiers, more than 2,700 weapons and military equipment units, including seven US-made Bradley fighting vehicles, 77 US M777 howitzers, 51 self-propelled howitzers made in Germany, France, Poland and the United States as well as two German-made Leopard tanks and a British-made Challenger tank have been eliminated," Shoigu told a ministry board meeting, commenting on the special military operation.

According to Shoigu, the Ukrainians have sustained heavy military losses along the entire line of engagement. "This month, over 17,000 soldiers and more than 2,700 weapons and military equipment units have been eliminated," he said.

In particular, Kiev lost two Leopard tanks and a Challenger tank, as well as seven Bradley fighting vehicles, Shoigu reported, and the Russian military also destroyed 51 Western-made self-propelled howitzers.

Despite the counteroffensive's lack of any tangible results, the United States and its allies continue to send arms to Ukraine, while the Kiev regime "has been sacrificing untrained troops in senseless attacks, to slaughter," he said. "Such shameless actions by the West and its minions in Kiev are only bringing Ukraine to the brink of self-destruction."

On strengthening of airborne troops
A new airborne regiment of the Tula Airborne Division began to carry out combat missions earlier in the year, Shoigu said, and the formation of another regiment of the Ivanovo Division is in its final stages and the 104th Airborne Division is about to be created.

This year, Russia’s airborne troops have received more than 2,000 military hardware units and 5,500 pieces of equipment in the form of landing gear and parachute systems.

"In general, the implementation of drafted measures for the airborne troops will make it possible to increase their combat potential by 1.3 times by the end of the year, while their fire power will grow by 20%," he said.

Building up strength of Eastern, Southern military districts
While the military and political situation is trending in the wrong direction in the eastern strategic direction, troops of the Eastern military district "have been increasing operational and combat training activities," Shoigu said. He recalled that the Pacific Fleet maneuvers, involving more than 11,000 mariners and 67 warships and auxiliary ships, were held in June. In July, Russia and China conducted joint exercises in which 12 vessels and 38 aircraft and helicopters took part, and the Finval-2023 drills involving some 10,000 personnel took place in September.

Before the end of this year, 26 activities will be held in the Eastern military district in conjunction with the delivery of 1,200 of the latest armaments.

A total of more than 170 activities will be held in the Southern military district this year, with troops receiving 5,500 cutting-edge weapons and weaponry systems.

On training centers
According to Shoigu, the Defense Ministry plans to open another eight training centers, bringing their total number nationwide to 128. "As a result, they will have representation in 75 Russian regions," he concluded."

https://tass.com/politics/1680731

[Takeovers]

Russian defense chief reveals Ukraine's military losses over past month.

They are very reliable. According to them Ukraine sometimes has lost all of new western equipment, before they even arrive. Ukraine has lost at least 3 times the planes they have... and so on.

[Neverna]

^ It's not only possible, but quite probable that there will be another mobilisation. Reports are suggesting a target of 500k-700k. If so, it won't be the end. If necessary more will be called upon to fight.

Don't underestimate the will of the Russians.

Today's news

Russian army rules out further mobilization
Volunteer service members are enough to fill in ranks in the Ukraine campaign, a senior military official said

29 Sep, 2023

The Russian military leadership has no plans to conduct mobilization as its current needs are fulfilled by career military service members, including those who volunteered to fight against Ukraine, according to a senior official.

The pledge not to draft additional troops was reiterated on Friday by Vladimir Tsimlyansky, the deputy chief of the mobilization directorate of the General Staff. He was briefing the public about a scheduled conscription campaign that kicks off next week.

“The number of people wishing to enrol in Russian military service under a contract, as well as volunteers who have decided to take part in the special military operation, is sufficient for fulfilling our tasks,” he said.

Russian army rules out further mobilization — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union

Of course, Putin could override that.

[helge]

They are very reliable. According to them Ukraine sometimes has lost all of new western equipment, before they even arrive. Ukraine has lost at least 3 times the planes they have... and so on.

In particular, Kiev lost two Leopard tanks and a Challenger tank, as well as seven Bradley fighting vehicles, Shoigu reported, and the Russian military also destroyed 51 Western-made self-propelled howitzers.

Doesn't look that exaggerated to me.

What estimates have you been presented with then ?

[Troy]

The counter argument to mine is that Ukraine keep going through the autumn and winter in order to keep the pressure on. I still think this is a high risk strategy that could lead to abandoned vehicles that get stuck. It will also be interesting to see if the Abrams will be used as they arrive or if Ukraine will wait until all of them are available as they suggested back in August.

The Russians still have divisions in the Luhansk region that can be redeployed to strengthen the defences around Tokmak. It could be an interesting winter offensive for either side.

[Troy]

Bakhmut will fall soon. It is almost fully encircled by the AFU.

When's soon Private Snubby?



You and I appear to have different definitions for "fully encircled"

[helge]

Russian casualties in Ukraine. Mediazona count, updated







32,656Russian casualties corroborated by publicly available data as of 22 September+ 991last two weeks
3,723total casualties among new recruits


Mediazona, in collaboration with BBC News Russian service and a team of volunteers, continues gathering information on the Russian military casualties in Ukraine. The figures we provide are derived from publicly accessible sources, such as social media posts by relatives, local media reports, and statements by local authorities. Therefore, they do not capture the complete death toll.
The actual number is likely much higher. A joint data investigation by Mediazona and Meduza estimated that by the end of May, the conflict in Ukraine had resulted in the deaths of 47,000 Russians below the age of 50.

We might never know

Russian casualties in Ukraine. Mediazona count, updated

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Defenses carved into the earth

Soon to be 10 month old article from NYT about fortifications in Ukraine

New to me so I'll drop a link

Russia Has Built Vast Defenses Across Ukraine. Will They Hold? - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

[bsnub]

Still; my rationale stands.

No it doesn't you are a bottom feeding vatnik scumbag. The links and the photo speak for themselves.

No one will fly the white cloth, if they know they are going to get executed.

Maybe you should apply a modicum of intellect to what I posted, you utter fuckwit. Many of them are tortured and starved. Clearly you did not bother to read any of the articles posted or attempt to contemplate the picture posted. You are an utter scumbag.

[helge]

Clearly you did not bother to read any of the articles posted or attempt to contemplate the picture posted.

True

Why would I ?

I know that it happens.

For some reason I also doubt that "your side" would report if some POWs were treated decently.

Naturally, both sides will be claiming the other is worse and propaganda will pick out the more extreme cases as if they were the norm.

Sadly 'naturally' yes.

More easy for BSnub. He only deals in 'good or bad' and 'black and white'.

Doesn't require much developed thought process.

Good and bad on both sides...

Careful now

That got Trump in trouble with folks who read out of context

(no comparison by the way)

you are a bottom feeding vatnik scumbag.

You are an utter scumbag.

Got you the first time

[bsnub]

Reports suggest a number of POWs on both sides have been treated badly.

Post you evidence. I posted mine. Your allegations are unfounded.

Recently, I watched a video of a Ukraine drone that continued to bomb soldiers who were obviously hors de combat until all were killed.

They were not fucking surrendering, nor could they to a drone nor a fighter jet. It is not a war crime, and those fucking scumbags should never have willingly entered Ukrainian territory.

Naturally, both sides will be claiming the other is worse and propaganda will pick out the more extreme cases as if they were the norm.

Trying to draw an equal comparison is utterly disgusting and either shows your bias to one side or your utter, complete ignorance. Either way, it exposes you as a fucking mong.

Good and bad on both sides...

False equivalence if there ever was one.

Demonisation is better saved for the leaders who caused this disaster.

Only one person caused this illegal invasion, you fucking subhuman trash bag.

Once again an apologist appeaser and a collaborator. Both are doing the work of useful idiots.

[helge]

you fucking subhuman trash bag.

You do have a way with words, Snubby

Both are doing the work of useful idiots.

Yeah

We are "dominating" this media with our Kremlin talking points.

Sadly this "Dog House" is an invite only party and a high estimate on the number of readers here would be.....10.

And that includes the poor Mods who have to

So....Troy Chamberlain and Helge Quisling are more idiots than useful.


You on the other hand....

Good choice that you didn't start breeding.

[Troy]

Post you evidence. I posted mine. Your allegations are unfounded.

Clearly, you didn't read the UNHR report to which I provided a link Private Snubby.

They were not fucking surrendering, nor could they to a drone nor a fighter jet. It is not a war crime, and those fucking scumbags should never have willingly entered Ukrainian territory.

Do you know what Hors de Combat means? Out of combat due to injury, the video I mentioned had Russian soldiers throwing away their rifles and rolling away. The drone continued to hunt them, like animals, and dropped bombs on them until they were dead. That is a war crime. They are not scumbags, they are human beings being forced onto the battlefield and the rules apply to them as much as anyone else.

The other video I mentioned is no longer on Youtube, or at least I can't find it. However, there is still a link to it in the NYT report and to this Guardian report, both of which remove the graphic details of the previous video.

Video appears to show Ukrainian soldiers shooting Russian prisoner of war | Ukraine | The Guardian

Trying to draw an equal comparison is utterly disgusting and either shows your bias to one side or your utter, complete ignorance. Either way, it exposes you as a fucking mong.

Again, the false equivalence is in your imagination and not in my comment. I didn't say equally good and bad on both sides.


You

My post didn't draw an equal comparison, your imagination did Private Snubby. I was merely pointing out the general propaganda of cherry picking to make the worst look the norm. Again, you failed to read the UNHR report before 'throwing your toys out of your pram'.

False equivalence if there ever was one.

Once again an apologist appeaser

Wrong again Private Snubby. I am not reporting what I want to happen but what the prevailing conditions mean are likely to happen. There is a difference but you are obviously unable to understand that difference, hence why you are still a Private.

As was mentioned about appeasement, it was made a sign of weakness and failure following the 1938 Munich Agreement. However, it was not necessarily a bad thing as it allowed the UK time to ramp up its forces. If you bothered to read Churchill's speech, part of which I posted, you would understand that the US thinking of "Appeasement is weak" is too simplistic. There are times when appeasement is the best policy and times when it isn't.

As with all wars, the enemy is demonised and dehumanised to make killing them seem humane. It isn't.

You have simply fallen into the trap of dehumanising the Russians, making your outbursts to others as mongs, scumbags, and subhuman trash rather questionable.

BTW thanks for the red.

[OhOh]

The bad guys live here, if you look with open eyes:

https://teakdoor.com/speakers-corner...ml#post4542178 (Canada's parliament speaker apologizes after honoring Nazi-linked veteran)

Probably all the five eyes have them. NaGaStan, UK, OZ, Canada ....

[helge]

BTW thanks for the red.

Are we supposed to "thank" him for the attention ?

Thanks a lot then, BSnotty

And a TIA too

[Hugh Cow]

There is no doubt both sides have breeched the Geneva convention. To me it must be harder for the Ukrainians to show some restraint as they are the victims of an unjustifiable invasion. Many of these soldiers have lost civilian family members. I believe that the west has used the Geneva convention as a condition of military aid so there is some incentive for self restraint by Ukraine. The Russians however, well known for bombing civilian targets and killing civilians including the murdering of unarmed Ukrainian civilians, have absolutely no incentive for any form of self restraint.

[OhOh]

Russian attack on village cafe kills at least 51 people, Ukraine says

They had gathered for a memorial lunch for a villager who had recently died, Klymenko told Ukrainian TV. About 10% of the village’s population of 500 were killed in the attack.

Two Ukraine quotes. Which appear to confirm some members opinions.

Other reports are suggesting a somewhat different scenario.

"A group of people attended a certain persons burial in the vacinity.

The dead person was of a certain internationally condemned group, (recent Canadian news)

The group were holders of similar internationally condemned attitudes.

The gathering of the group was assessed as an acceptable target and destroyed."

Awaiting the investigation by an international group and their opinion.

[OhOh]

Some may wish to watch or read this.

6 Oct, 2023 13:09


HomeRussia & FSU


WATCH AND READ IN FULL: Putin’s Valdai Discussion Club speech

WATCH AND READ IN FULL: Putin’s Valdai Discussion Club speech — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union

[Troy]

^ Server no found...

...Putin's Jackanory anyway.

[pickel]

The group were holders of similar internationally condemned attitudes.

The Russian invasion of Ukraine was internationally condemned. Your attitude is that it was justified. Perhaps your house should be bombed, according to that logic.

[Troy]

The dead person was of a certain internationally condemned group,

Care to explain?

As far as I have heard it was the funeral of a Ukrainian soldier, Andrii Kozyr. Only civilians were in attendance. There was no tactical or strategic value in targeting this wake for either side.

The UN, as an international body, has condemned Russia for the invasion of Ukraine. No internationally recognised body has condemned Ukraine as the aggressor in this "special operation".

[bsnub]

The fact that the usual suspects in here bother to entertain the dribble posted in the last several comments is laughable. Aside from Pickel the posters are either apologists, useful idiots or appeasers. Slaves of ruzzia who makes excuses and push false narratives.

Case in point...

BSnub probably isn't aware or I'm sure he would have commented and retracted his condemnation on that one

Would that be the same logical deduction that led to the condemnation of the Russians for the 6 Sept missile strike on the market square in Kostiantynivka?

Even if it was true (it is not) and it was a Ukrainian missile malfunction, the blame is still squarely on Russia.

Because of them, missiles are being launched to begin with. None of this would have happened if Russia didn't invade Ukraine.

[helge]

Even if it was true (it is not) and it was a Ukrainian missile malfunction, the blame is still squarely on Russia.

Because of them, missiles are being launched to begin with. None of this would have happened if Russia didn't invade Ukraine.

Yes
That's logic for cage hens

Blame Putin's mother for not having an abortion, when she was pregnant with him.

This wouldn't have happened if she did.

The bitch !

Even better: It gives the ukrainians a carte blanche to commit the war crimes they'd fancy, cause"the russians started it"


Whoever you support in Palestine, do not forget to blame the opponent for your own crimes.