Ukraine war mega thread

[helge]

How does one interpret Blinken's ..Claim to Victory over Russia ?

"That Russia hasn't been able to take all of Ukraine is a victory for the west and a defeat for Russia".

Why now ?

Election coming up or is Zelensky being led to the table ?

There's talk of "freezing the conflict".

[helge]

"Warsaw will not allow Ukrainian grain to “flood” the Polish market, Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki has vowed ahead of deliberations in the EU on whether to extend an existing trade restriction.

Poland also claims that it's secondary dirty/polluted crops

Ukrainian farmlands are predominantly controlled by “foreign interests” either directly or through foreign-registered companies run by local oligarchs."

Yes

And the new minister of defence used to be the guy who gave it away/privatized it.

His coffers are most likely full.

Usual robbery and this time also by the Yank Robber Baron companies.

[pickel]

Usual robbery and this time also by the Yank Robber Baron companies.

Usual? Was the Holodomor "usual"? Not that I agree with mass privatization of natural resources, but at least the companies pay the farmers, instead of just letting millions of them starve to death.

Helga, what's your opinion on the current thievery of Ukrainian grain by Russia? And the Russian Navy blocking Ukrainian grain shipments from their ports?

A simple "It's shit" will suffice.

[Neverna]

There's talk of "freezing the conflict".

I doubt that will happen. Neither side (Ukraine or Russia) really wants it, IMO.

[helge]

Helga, what's your opinion on the current thievery of Ukrainian grain by Russia?

Haven't heard about it.

It's shit

And the Russian Navy blocking Ukrainian grain shipments from their ports?

More to that story, I think

I do not expect you to post the whole truth though

Not that I agree with mass privatization of natural resources, but at least the companies pay the farmers, instead of just letting millions of them starve to death.

You're a tool, Pick'l

[helge]

I doubt that will happen. Neither side (Ukraine or Russia) really wants it, IMO.

True.

Not the leaders anyway

But one could speculate if Ukraine is calling the shots on the ukrainian side

[pickel]

You're a tool, Pick'l

Selective quoting again Helga? I don't expect you to be anything other than a disingenuous wanker.

[helge]

Yawn........

[bsnub]

Continually underestimating Russia, as a fighting force, is starting to get very tiresome.

Then stop reading my posts. I am underestimating nothing. It is fortifications that have been holding back the Ukrainians, not some fantasist "fighting force" that you keep referring too, now that the Ukrainians are pushing past those fortifications they are starting to move forward.

As I said before, when the Ukrainians are in direct contact with the ruzzians they win those fights. The ruzzian units are heavily attrited and mostly reconstituted. It is only a matter of time.

[OhOh]

US Army scraps Abrams tank upgrade, unveils new modernization plan

By Jen Judson

Thursday, Sep 7

"WASHINGTON — The U.S. Army is scrapping its current upgrade plans for the Abrams main battle tank and pursuing a more significant modernization effort to increase its mobility and survivability on the battlefield, the service announced in a statement Wednesday.

The Army will end its M1A2 System Enhancement Package version 4 program, and instead develop the M1E3 Abrams focused on challenges the tank is likely to face on the battlefield of 2040 and beyond, the service said. The service was supposed to receive the M1A2 SEPv4 version this past spring.

The SEPv4 will not go into production as planned, Army Under Secretary Gabe Camarillo told Defense News in a Sept. 6 interview at the Defense News Conference in Arlington, Virginia. “We’re essentially going to invest those resources into the [research and] development on this new upgraded Abrams,” he said. “[I]t’s really threat-based, it’s everything that we’re seeing right now, even recently in Ukraine in terms of a native active protection system, lighter weight, more survivability, and of course reduced logistical burdens as well for the Army.”

The Abrams tank “can no longer grow its capabilities without adding weight, and we need to reduce its logistical footprint,” Maj. Gen. Glenn Dean, the Army’s program executive officer for ground combat systems, said in the statement. “The war in Ukraine has highlighted a critical need for integrated protections for soldiers, built from within instead of adding on.”

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US Army scraps Abrams tank upgrade, unveils new modernization plan

or:

The US army refused to upgrade the Abrams tanks, which are not suitable for combat: Defense News

ACTUAL

11.09.2023

"The US army canceled planned upgrades to the Abrams tanks, relying on the tank's weight and vulnerability to enemy weapons behind enemy lines, Defense News reported.

Stephen Bryan, a former deputy undersecretary of Defense and a security strategy expert, noted that the Abrams tank can no longer survive on a modern battlefield.

Heavy European tanks and armored vehicles are struggling in the mud and fuel shortage in Ukraine. They are also vulnerable to enemy fire. The German Leopard tank, which was considered better than the Abrams tank, did not perform well, " said Stephen Bryan.

The Russians destroyed about 15 Leopards-and with a variety of weapons, including artillery, rockets, helicopter gunships, and drones.

The Leopard tank, which was billed as the next rescue that would help Ukraine win the war, turned out to be a failure, according to a US military expert.

But the failure of the Leopard tank in Ukraine raises concerns that the Abrams tank may also be vulnerable to Russian attacks, writes Stephen Bryan in his analysis.

Neither the Abrams tank nor the Bars tank are equipped with active protection or reactive armor systems.

The Ukrainian army hastily added reactive armor to some of the Leopard tanks that were delivered in Ukraine, but this is a temporary measure and does not provide full protection from enemy fire.

The Leopard tank is made in "contact" with armor that should be able to deviate from anti-tank weapons, including penetrating cannons, firing enemy tanks or tandem warheads.

However, the Russians managed to destroy the Leopard tanks relatively easily, even those that were installed with first-generation rocket armor, writes an American analyst.

The United States supplies Ukraine with depleted uranium shells for the Abrams tanks expected in the near future, because depleted uranium shells can penetrate every Russian tank.

Russian tanks have so far rarely been exposed to enemy fire, as they use an active defensive approach against the Ukrainian geofanziv.

However, if Russia goes on the offensive, their tanks can be exposed to fire, Abrams tanks.

The effectiveness of the combination of depleted uranium shells and Abrams tanks is still unknown.

However, American tanks, like their "colleagues"- the German "Leopard", still do not have active protection."

Американската армия се отказа от модернизация на танковете „Ейбрамс“, не са годни за битка: Defense News - Обективно

[bsnub]

Hey look it is more BS shit propaganda from OhDoh.

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[pickel]

^^^
How's that T14 Armata coming along hoho?

[helge]

Ukraine President's advisor says Indians, Chinese have 'weak intellectual potential', makes U-turn later


While India didn’t respond to his comments, the Ukrainian Embassy in Delhi responded by saying that they do not endorse his view.

Published: 13th September 2023 08:08 PM | Last Updated: 13th September 2023 08:08 PM | A+A A-


The statement was made by an advisor of Ukrainian President Volodomyr Zelensky (File Photo | AP)

By Yeshi Seli
Express News Service
NEW DELHI: Ukrainian President Volodomyr Zelensky's advisor Mykhailo Podolyak described Indians and Chinese as having 'weak intellectual potential' on Wednesday.
However, after the Ukrainian foreign ministry disassociated itself from the comment, he took a U-turn.

"What’s wrong with India, China, Turkey and so forth. The problem is that they are not analysing the consequences of their steps, these countries have weak intellectual potential, unfortunately.

Yes, they invest in science. Yes, India has launched a lunar rover presently and is now trekking on the surface of the Moon, but that does not indicate that this country fully comprehends what the modern world is about," said Podolyak.


While India didn’t respond to his comments, the Ukrainian Embassy in Delhi responded by saying that they do not endorse his view.
"These are Podolyak’s personal thoughts. This is not an official position of the Ukrainian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the office of the President of Ukraine," said a Ukrainian spokesperson in Delhi.

Meanwhile, a few hours after making the statement in a video interview, Podolyak shared a cryptic message on his Twitter handle accusing Russia of misconstruing his statement.
"Classic Russian propaganda – take it out of context, distort the meaning, scale it up to separate target audiences with conflict provocation.

Of course Turkey, India, China and other regional powers are increasingly and clearly justified in claiming global roles in modern world – and there are all the reasons for this: historical, economic, cultural, scientific and political. And these roles have long been much more extensive than Russia’s.

But the global world is much broader than even the most thoughtful regional national interests.

The global world is based on stability and predictability, on rationality and strategy, on international law and clear rules of the game," he said.


Earlier, Ukraine, after the New Delhi Declaration, had said that 'G20 has nothing to be proud of'.
"G20 adopted a final declaration. We are grateful to the partners who tried to include strong wording in the text. However, in terms of Russia’s aggression against Ukraine, G20 has nothing to be proud of," said Ukrainian Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesperson Oleg Nikolenko.

[helge]

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Ukraine making new friends

[helge]

So far 4 EU countries, Chechs, Germans, Hungarians and Austrians has turned down Ukraine's request for extradiction of male "draftdodgers".

The piano doesn't play that way in the more civilized parts of Europe.

I hope

[pickel]

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It must be a real conundrum for you to bleat on about corruption in Ukraine, while knowing that the reason they were able to get out and avoid the draft was probably due to corruption. Even more so, being the commie you are, that it's the upper crust of Ukraine's children that do it.

[helge]

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This is the Ukraine thread

[pickel]

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This is the Ukraine thread

True that. Also known as the "Helga the Hypocrite" thread.

[bsnub]

"Helga the Hypocrite"

They do not come in bigger sizes.

[helge]

Also known as the "Helga the Hypocrite" thread.

They do not come in bigger sizes.

Could have been a "mega"

Also:

Our ukrainian acquaintance is going to the UN for a Security Council meeting next week.

Lavrov might also turn up there.

Could be an interesting duel.

[Troy]

It is only a matter of time before these heavily attrited ruzzian units collapse. Soon they will be fully rolled up on their eastern flank.

Another week passes, another division of Russian troops shuffled into the area to shore up the defences and a few more meters ground out on the front.

This is going to take a little longer than snubby realises.

[cyrille]

It's usually the way with US estimates.

[bsnub]

another division of Russian troops shuffled into the area

Exactly which division was that?

This is going to take a little longer than snubby realises.

Feel free to point out when I made any predictions as to when this thing was going to end? The only thing I have said is that it will not end this year.

There are many strategic developments of late, many that have made the mainstream news, but I can't be arsed to post them here. Crimea is looking more and more untenable by the day is one.

This thread has basically just become a place overrun by Helga's drunk, incoherent babbling.

[Troy]

The 76th Guards were redeployed to the region.

You predicted Tokmak would be in Ukraine hands by the end of the current counteroffensive. You have also claimed numerous times that the Russians have been so badly mauled they will offer little resistance.