Ukraine war mega thread

[Norton]

The media doesn't have time to show everything that is available from open sources.

Let me clarify. "Media" to my mind covers all social media including TD.
This is a near stalemate and a slog for the Ukrainians. Both sides are losing men and equipment.
There will be no major break thoughs. The retaking of a village occasionally until the snows start which will make things even tougher for the Ukranians.

This will continue until one side lacks the will and means to continue. Then some sort of agreement to stop the war will occur.

[bsnub]

There will be no major break thoughs.

Bold prediction. I will hold you to it.

[Norton]

Bold prediction. I will hold you to it.

Hope I am wrong.

[bsnub]

Hope I am wrong.

We both do, but I will tell you one thing. There is a lot going on at the front lines, much of it may not be deemed headline worthy by media, but the front is very active. An example is that Bakhmut is crumbling, and a possible encirclement is a very real possibility. Lots going on down south as well.

[Troy]

An analogy to a chess game would be a closed position. Neither side has made a significant breakthrough and I doubt there is enough time to take advantage of one now before winter.
I still think the major push was intended to come from Kherson and the breaching of the dam scuppered this plan.

I can see both sides being forced round the negotiating table during the winter months.

[Norton]

I can see both sides being forced round the negotiating table during the winter months.

We will see but I think the stalemate will last through the winter. Stalemate is advantageous to Putin whose strategy is to prolong with the effect of reducing support to the Ukraine war effort.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world...cnni-world.cnn

Fair assessment of the current situation.

[helge]

I can see both sides being forced round the negotiating table during the winter months.

I think that Russia will negotiate any day, but whose signature on an eventual deal would they trust and accept ?

Ukraine might be forced to the table, not Russia

I think the stalemate will last through the winter. Stalemate is advantageous to Putin whose strategy is to prolong with the effect of reducing support to the Ukraine war effort.

Not to mention Ukranian forces, which will be worn down. They are getting bled out at the moment with their counteroffensive.

It's by the book

We will see

As always the wise position

[helge]

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world...cnni-world.cnn

Fair assessment of the current situation.

Another good one here:



Where do they find these folks ?

"The ukranians only have to break through one place, while the russians have to defend a long front"

And your general almost loses his head from nodding.


If only it was as easy as that

[panama hat]

I think that Russia will negotiate any day, but whose signature on an eventual deal would they trust and accept ?

Not Putin's

[bsnub]

I can see both sides being forced round the negotiating table during the winter months.

I doubt it.

I think that Russia will negotiate any day, but whose signature on an eventual deal would they trust and accept ?

Who give a shit what the ruzzian scum think or trust. They have been consistent liars long before they illegally invaded Ukraine. Nothing is different now they are the ones who have proven time and again that they can not be trusted.

Not to mention Ukranian forces, which will be worn down. They are getting bled out at the moment with their counteroffensive.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

[bsnub]

Where do they find these folks ?

He is a fucking senior retired American General, you clown.

"The ukranians only have to break through one place, while the russians have to defend a long front"

And your general almost loses his head from nodding.

Because he is correct you imbecile, that is how breakthroughs work. It is obvious that you are completely clueless about maneuver warfare and how it works. Stick to polishing pootins little knob dummy, it is what you do best.

If only it was as easy as that

Oh, shut up, you clueless imbecile. You do not know better than a highly respected General who lead troops into combat doing exactly these types of operations. I think he is a tad better qualified than some drunk vatnik clown like yourself.

[Troy]

^ There is no manoeuvre warfare, the whole area is blocked by minefields and there is no air superiority.

You have no idea of the Ukraine casualty fogutes. It is a closely guarded secret. Neither do you know how many active unots there are on the frontlines.

[bsnub]

There is no manoeuvre warfare, the whole area is blocked by minefields and there is no air superiority.

I did not say that there was, you misconstrued my comment. Did you watch the CNN clip regarding what Gen. Hertling said?

You have no idea of the Ukraine casualty fogutes. It is a closely guarded secret.

I do not know what a fogute is. I am going to assume that you meant figures?

Neither do you know how many active unots there are on the frontlines.

You are wrong. I know exactly what units are on the front lines. The location of units is well known. Here is a rundown of the force strength of the Ukrainian army...

The 111 known Ukrainian combat brigades are:

Army: • 34x Mechanized
• 5x Tank • 5x Motorized
• 4x Rifle
• 2x Jaeger
• 2x Mountain
• 2x Assault
• 1x Special Purpose
• 1x Presidential Air Assault Forces
• 4x Air Assault
• 3x Airmobile
• 1x Airborne
• 1x Jaeger Marine Corps
• 4x Marine Air Force
• 1x Rifle Territorial Defense
• 31x Defense National Guard
• 7x Offensive Guard National Police
• 1x Offensive Guard Border Guards
• 1x Offensive Guard General Staff
• 1x Guards As for support brigades and regiments
• 3x Special Forces regiments
• 16x Artillery brigades
• 1x Rocket Artillery regiment
• 2x Engineer brigades
• 5x Engineer regiments
• 3x Pontoon Bridge regiments
• 7x Tactical Aviation brigades
• 4x Army Aviation brigades
• 1x Naval Aviation brigade
• 5x Anti-Aircraft Missile brigades
• 12x Anti-Aircraft Missile regiments And there are at least 143 independent light infantry, reconnaissance, special forces, volunteer, tank, territorial defense, and rifle battalions. These combat and combat support forces number at least 600,000 troops. All the signals, radar, radio-technical, electronic warfare, drone, logistics, maintenance, transport, medical, PSYOPS, naval, rear area security, training, military police, staff, etc. units add at least an additional 500,000 troops to the current strength of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Currently 32 combat brigades are in the rear training and waiting for the call to enter the fight in the next phases of the Ukrainian offensive. And (!) Ukraine keeps forming new brigades.

https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1689297585788293120

[bsnub]

Ukraine is holding back at this point. The official line is that they are trying to minimize casualties. There is more to the story here.

[Troy]

^^ looking at that list, I think you either misread the comment or simply don't know. I would have expected a list of brigades with % strength and rough position. E.g. where is the 47th and how are they doing? Whete are the 21st and 33rd? What about the 35th, 36th,37th marine brigades. I'm pretty sure they are not all on the frontline, as they need to be rotated. Also ptetty sure some were not created to full strength and some have been lost.

[helge]

Not Putin's

No deal then ?

Who give a shit what the ruzzian scum think or trust.

Talk was about negotiation.

I guess it matters

Because he is correct you imbecile, that is how breakthroughs work. It is obvious that you are completely clueless about maneuver warfare and how it works. Stick to polishing pootins little knob dummy, it is what you do best.

In my limited understanding of warfare, it must be a dream scenario for the russians, to "open" a corridor for the ukranians to pour south.

Long narrow supply lines and some nice flanks.

But the ukranians aren't that stupid.

You might be though


And the follow up, where the ..retired general nodded: Which rulebook says that the russians has to defend poorly ukranian manned sections of the front ?

They could start cheating and go on the offensive.

The official line is that they are trying to minimize casualties.

Good for them

If it's 3:1 in Russia's favour now, then good for the ukranian soldier that they aren't going full trottle.

[helge]

looking at that list, I think you either misread the comment or simply don't know. I would have expected a list of brigades with % strength and rough position.

Would it be "normal" to list such things as one's forces strenght, numbers and rotation ?

Couldn't the enemy take advantage of such information ?

I reckon it's foolish enough of the US Commander in ...Chief to publicly state that they are out of ammunition

[Troy]

^ Of course not, but snubby knows where they all are and that none have taken heavy losses.

[helge]

snubby knows

Yes.

[helge]

And the follow up, where the ..retired general nodded: Which rulebook says that the russians has to defend poorly ukranian manned sections of the front ?

They could start cheating and go on the offensive.

53 settlements in the Kharkov region,are to be evacuated, says Kiev.

Can't be good for the ukranian offensive down south, that they'll have to regroup their troops now.

[pickel]

53 settlements in the Kharkov region,are to be evacuated, says Kiev.

If it was the Ukrainians who said it, you should probably use the Ukrainian transliterations for the names of those regions. Or, you're just showing your true colors by not saying Kyiv and Kharkiv? Do you call Bakhmut Artemovsk as well, vatnik?

[helge]

Or, you're just showing your true colors by not saying Kyiv and Kharkiv?

Is that all today, Pickel ?

It's what I learned at school, and if it can irritate you, I'll stick with that

Do you call Bakhmut Artemovsk as well

Never heard about Bakmut before, so..it's Bakmut.

Do you know how to spell Moscow in russian ?

Nah
(neither do I)

vatnik?

Dickhead ?

How's your bet and prediction about Shoigu going ?

[pickel]

How's your bet and prediction about Shoigu going ?

Perhaps Putin is afraid of Shoigus private band of mercenaries as well.

How's yours about Prigozhin?

Either way, it's bad for Russia. And that's a good thing.

[bsnub]

In my limited understanding of warfare, it must be a dream scenario for the russians, to "open" a corridor for the ukranians to pour south.

You are completely clueless, and I will not engage you on the topic further. Go read up on "Blitzkrieg", The Battle of France, Erwin Rommel, General Norman Schwarzkopf etc etc. Until you do that STFU.

Long narrow supply lines and some nice flanks.

There is a secondary force that follows the primary penetrating force that keeps that from happening. You really are stupid beyond belief

If it's 3:1 in Russia's favour now, then good for the ukranian soldier that they aren't going full trottle.

On paper, maybe. In this offensive, the casualty rates are 4:1 in Ukraine's favor.

US Commander in ...Chief to publicly state that they are out of ammunition

Except that they are not dipshit. In fact, Ukraine is firing more ammunition per day than it has in months.

Of course not, but snubby knows where they all are and that none have taken heavy losses.

See for yourself...

Ukraine Control Map - Google My Maps

That map is not complete and does not show all the brigades that are back in the training grounds, but it is a fairly complete representation of the forces on the front. Keep in mind that the Ukrainian troops are constantly rotated and replenished, and that is not the case with the ruzzians.

[Troy]

^ That's better. I see the 47th is still leading the frontal assault in the South. Time for another brigade to take over?