Ukraine war mega thread

[bsnub]

it will punch through the weak point.

And drive the wedge with its best brigades, who will push all the way to the azov sea.

[Iceman123]

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Snubby
You are a repetitive, know nothing warmonger.
For many months now you having talking about how weak the Russians were and the great victory that awaited Ukraine, “you’ll see you’ll see”

Ukraine is not going to get all of its territories back - let it sink in ffs.

The Ukrainian offensive is at a standstill - it has effectively gone nowhere. Sad to report.

Let me repeat what I have told you so many times. - Ukraine is not winning this war.

[Troy]

In this current war, those numbers do not wash. The ruzzian army has been wiped clean since the start of the war, most of the so-called "professional" units were destroyed in the first "lightning offensive" push into Kyiv. The rest have been destroyed on multiple fronts, and I have been posting those events for months, so I have no patience for posters who have not kept up.

The reality is that after the first ruzzian defensive line in the south is penetrated, there are no reserve forces behind, so when Ukraine is finally done probing the defensive line with its four brigades it will punch through the weak point.

If only.
In fact, the Russians have a 4:1 soldier advantage, or did with the Wagner troops. The Ukraine army hasn't reached the Russian main defensive line yet and the battlefields are littered with minefields most of which don't appear to be marked.
The Russians are having to strengthen different areas as Ukraine continue to probe and they are being stretched. However, the idea that they are just a bunch of conscripts that will fold in an instant is not happening.

As Norts said some pages back, this is going to be a long drawn out war. The Russians still have plenty of men and machines to support it.

[Joe 90]

Not a good example to use when considering attacking force ratio. 3:1 to 4:1 ratio is the norm.

Falklands was a professional army against conscripts.

And we had superior air support.

[OhOh]

Cluster Bomb Move Rebuked in Asian Nations Who Were Its Victims

US move has been questioned even by some NATO allies
Biden said decision came as Ukraine’s ammunition dwindled

ByPhilip Heijmans


July 10, 2023 at 5:13 PM GMT+7

"Southeast Asian nations still struggling to clear cluster munitions dropped on them by US forces during the Vietnam War are pleading with the Americans to back away from sending the deadly bombs to Ukraine.

In a rare statement posted online Monday by the Laotian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the government called on unspecified states or actors from all use, transfer or production of such munitions “so that no one in the world would be victimized” by such weapons.

“As the world’s largest victim of cluster munitions and a state party to the Convention on Cluster Munitions, the Lao People’s Democratic Republic expresses its profound concern over the announcement and the possible use of cluster munitions,” according to the statement.

The Biden administration has said it will send cluster bombs to Ukraine as part of a new push to support the country’s counteroffensive and boost its dwindling stocks of ammunition, overruling concerns that the weapons often fail to explode and pose a grave danger to civilians.

President Joe Biden called the move to send cluster bombs to Ukraine a “difficult decision” given the risk to civilians posed by the weapons, but said Russia has been raining the munitions down on Ukraine for months.

Read More: Europe Can’t Supply Ukraine With Weapons Fast Enough, Here’s Why

Unexploded ordinances dating back half a century are still being discovered in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia, after causing tens of thousands of deaths and injuries during and after the war. The US has contributed more than $750 million in those countries for conventional weapons destruction over the last three decades.

“It would be the greatest danger for Ukrainians for many years or up to a hundred years if cluster bombs are used in Russian-occupied areas in the territory of Ukraine,” Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen tweeted on Sunday. “I appeal to the US president as the supplier and the Ukrainian president as the recipient not to use cluster bombs in the war because the real victims will be Ukrainians.”

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

[Hugh Cow]

Not a good example to use when considering attacking force ratio. 3:1 to 4:1 ratio is the norm.

Falklands was a professional army against conscripts.

The argentinian military hadnt fought anyone more sophisticated than a peasant with a pitchfork. They were no match for people who could shoot back let alone a professional army.

[Hugh Cow]

Cluster Bomb Move Rebuked in Asian Nations Who Were Its Victims

US move has been questioned even by some NATO allies
Biden said decision came as Ukraine’s ammunition dwindled

ByPhilip Heijmans


July 10, 2023 at 5:13 PM GMT+7

"Southeast Asian nations still struggling to clear cluster munitions dropped on them by US forces during the Vietnam War are pleading with the Americans to back away from sending the deadly bombs to Ukraine.

In a rare statement posted online Monday by the Laotian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the government called on unspecified states or actors from all use, transfer or production of such munitions “so that no one in the world would be victimized” by such weapons.

“As the world’s largest victim of cluster munitions and a state party to the Convention on Cluster Munitions, the Lao People’s Democratic Republic expresses its profound concern over the announcement and the possible use of cluster munitions,” according to the statement.

The Biden administration has said it will send cluster bombs to Ukraine as part of a new push to support the country’s counteroffensive and boost its dwindling stocks of ammunition, overruling concerns that the weapons often fail to explode and pose a grave danger to civilians.

President Joe Biden called the move to send cluster bombs to Ukraine a “difficult decision” given the risk to civilians posed by the weapons, but said Russia has been raining the munitions down on Ukraine for months.

Read More: Europe Can’t Supply Ukraine With Weapons Fast Enough, Here’s Why

Unexploded ordinances dating back half a century are still being discovered in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia, after causing tens of thousands of deaths and injuries during and after the war. The US has contributed more than $750 million in those countries for conventional weapons destruction over the last three decades.

“It would be the greatest danger for Ukrainians for many years or up to a hundred years if cluster bombs are used in Russian-occupied areas in the territory of Ukraine,” Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen tweeted on Sunday. “I appeal to the US president as the supplier and the Ukrainian president as the recipient not to use cluster bombs in the war because the real victims will be Ukrainians.”

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Well maybe the Asian nations could help Ukraine defend itself against the murdering invaders instead of supporting them while pissing whining and moaning about the side trying to prevent the needless murder of civilians.

[helge]

I have been posting those events for months, so I have no patience for posters who have not kept up.

You have been posting that for months.

True

Looks like some have their doubts even after your relentless posting.

Who knows, eh ?

We have very little facts of what's going on.


Biden claims that they are out of ammo

Can we agree on, that he is an old fool, that shouldn't reveal such information ?

[Joe 90]

And drive the wedge with its best brigades, who will push all the way to the azov sea.

You get my box of medals. I'm gonna decorate every man in this penetration, whoever they are. They saved the reputation of this entire Army.

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Cluster Bomb Move Rebuked in Asian Nations Who Were Its Victims

Ah, Myanmar and Laos ... You must be proud, ohwoe


I think one major difference with these horrific things is that Ukraine is placing them on their territory to combat invading soldiers

[bsnub]

Let me repeat what I have told you so many times. - Ukraine is not winning this war.

Oh look who shows up! One of pootins useful idiots who claimed months ago that the ruzzians had the war sown up and were mopping the floor with the Ukrainians. You have been proven a clueless moron countless times. Stick to the wordle thread, you clueless bozo.

A sample of the nonsense you have spewed in this thread...

Says the man who claims Ukraine is winning

Yep I am on the side of reality, and unfortunately Ukraine are losing.

Now when are you going to accept the reality that Ukraine are not winning.

the Ukraine has virtually no chance against a superior force in numbers and equipment.

Who’s winning now on planet Bsnub?

here on earth Ukraine are losing for sure.

I will repeat to try to get it to sink in “Russia is winning”

[bsnub]

In fact, the Russians have a 4:1 soldier advantage, or did with the Wagner troops.

Can you provide some credible data to back that up? I disagree and would say that now the bigger, better equipped army belongs to Ukraine.

However, the idea that they are just a bunch of conscripts that will fold in an instant is not happening.

But it is happening every day, it just is not in your newspapers.

You have been posting that for months.

I will have the last laugh.

[Joe 90]

Stalemate on the Eastern front.

[misskit]

Interactive Time-lapse: Russia'''s War in Ukraine

[panama hat]

^ Ukraine has done remarkably well against far superior forces and the element of 'surprise'. Let's hope murdering hundreds of thousands, destroying nuclear facilities, destroying dams etc... won't go unpunished

[helge]

I think one major difference with these horrific things is that Ukraine is placing them on their territory to combat invading soldiers

Supplied by the same, who polluted Laos with those.

But lets be honest. It's what they have. Biden said so

destroying nuclear facilities

?

I will have the last laugh.

Sure

No one else is laughing

[bsnub]

Sure

No one else is laughing

It is a figure of speak you dumb clown, no one was implying anyone was laughing. What is ironic is that vatniks like yourself and iceclown like to accuse people who are supporting Ukraine's fight against a murderous, genocidal invader, warmongers. The warmongers are yourselves who are cheering on the ruzzians.

[helge]

A warmonger is someone who instigates war, or advocates war over peaceful solutions.

I reckon that your war-hobby posting is a bit too insignificant to fit either definition.


A warmonger is someone who instigates war, or advocates war over peaceful solutions.

[bsnub]

How do you know Russia is losing? Excellent Ukrainian operational security has mostly blacked out news for the front.

1. Russians are asking for a ceasefire. Russia desperately wants to freeze the battlefield;

2. They are sending less trained soldiers into battle in large numbers;

3. Most conscripts sent in now are equipped with ancient Russian helmets and very old weapons and nothing else. They often seem to have been drafted only weeks before their capture (no training).

4. Russians, boasting of making hundreds of T90M tanks, seem only able to send anvient T54s into UKR now. Every day the Ukrainian military grows more modern than the Russians;

5. Russia has stripped its other borders of military personnel and equipment;

6. The refugee flow to Poland, where I live, is almost nothing now. I drive right by their embassy every week, where there were big lines in the early months of the war. Many Ukrainians actually going home now.

7. Russian military bloggers are not making the rosy reports like the Kremlin post. They also totally contradict the Russian trolls on Twitter.

8. The Russian economy is tanking.

9. We do not see many new videos or photos on Twitter from pro-Russian sources depicting great tactical victories. The isolated instances have been re-posted hundreds of times.

10. Dozens of Russian units and their families back home are posting videos asking for help due to their lack of support on the front and the "suicide" missions that gthey are asked to perform. None of these indicators reflect any chance that Russia is winning or that the war is even a "stalematge" right now. Confirmation will be forthcoming as major Ukrainians victories are very close now.

https://twitter.com/randymot4/status...kErN0pYAw&s=09

[panama hat]

Supplied by the same, who polluted Laos with those.

That's irrelevant. The purpose is completely different . . . At this stage of the 'game' Ukraine has to resort to anything they can lay their hands on. As it is they have to 'play' nice or Putin will whine and bitch and threaten nukes again. Fuck 'em. They invaded.

[Iceman123]

What is ironic is that vatniks like yourself and iceclown like to accuse people who are supporting Ukraine's fight against a murderous, genocidal invader

Please tell us what type of support are you providing.
(battering your keyboard nightly in a drunken stupor polluting Teak Door with your nonsensical rants doesn’t count unfortunately)

[S Landreth]

Please tell us what type of support are you providing.

He pays US taxes

[Iceman123]

He pays US taxes

Possibly, and I suppose their must be a fair amount of tax levied on all the booze he consumes.

[bsnub]

Please tell us what type of support are you providing.

I have donated thousands of dollars to various aid organizations as well as directly to military units to buy drones and other equipment. My colleague is a Ukrainian combat veteran currently based in Austin, and much of my money goes through him directly to units. The last shipments went to the 42nd and 92nd brigades.

He pays US taxes

Indeed, I do.

[Iceman123]

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FFS, your nonsensical rants are bad enough, now you’ve started making up jokes.