Ukraine war mega thread

[helge]

You, Pickel Helmet are the type, who would be prime material for watch tower duty.

Never ask questions, follow orders and believing the shit you are being fed.

You are as despicable as they come on TD

[pickel]

Gonna be one hell of a hangover helge. Maybe the voices in your head will be gone by morning.

[helge]

Tomorrow I'll be sober and you'll still be a facist supporter.

You can't escape it

Facist supporting jew murderer

I got you good

Roma murdering canadian piece of crap

You are up there with the worst

I hate facists like you

[pickel]

Keep going drunkard. This amuses me.

[Norton]

Facist supporting jew murderer

Pickle exposed..

[pickel]

Pickle exposed..

I zee nuthing.

Helge definitely exposed his true self tonight. A drunkard with voices in his head.

[bsnub]

Oh, and that currently Ukraine is losing this war, and it was most certainly not unprovoked.

You support facists

You are a facist, Pickel

You canadian piece of shit

These morons are calling each other intelligent while attacking others who are not stupid enough to fall for the propaganda they so willingly swallow.


Look at the comments of a couple of propagandized clowns who constantly make fools of themselves in here. Then lashing out when they are called out.

Just that; he's got brains, you are a bit low in that department

You are both a couple of clowns.

[bsnub]

Helge definitely exposed his true self tonight. A drunkard with voices in his head.

It is not the first time he has made a fool of himself in here.

[OhOh]

Madyars birds

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A link to your source, "Madyars birds", or your post here, may assist all of to determine the validity of their reports.

Mediazona news

‘Record’ 1,000 Russian Soldiers Confirmed Killed in Ukraine Since Jan. 1 – Analysis - The Moscow Times

Are you suggesting we should consider your sources as unbiased?

[pickel]

A link to your source, "Madyars birds", or your post here, may assist all of to determine the validity of their reports.

Already posted, do pay attention.

[OhOh]

Already posted, do pay attention.

Where?

[OhOh]

An authoritatively prepared scenario and comment on the Russian SMO.

The introduction:

Russo-Ukrainian War: The World Blood Pump

Gradually, and then Suddenly





Big Serge








21 hr ago

"Since Russia’s surprise decision to voluntarily withdraw from west bank Kherson in the first week of November, there has been little in the way of dramatic changes to the frontlines in Ukraine. In part, this reflects the predictable late autumn weather in Eastern Europe, which leaves battlefields waterlogged and clogged with mud and greatly inhibits mobility. For hundreds of years, November has been a bad month for attempting to move armies any sort of significant distance, and like clockwork we started to see videos of vehicles stuck in the mud in Ukraine.


The return of static positional warfare, however, also reflects the synergistic effect of increasing Ukrainian exhaustion along with a Russian commitment to patiently attriting and denuding Ukraine’s remaining combat capability. They have found an ideal place to achieve this in the Donbas.

It has gradually become apparent that Russia is committed to a positional attritional war, as this maximizes the asymmetry of their advantage in ranged fires. There is an ongoing degradation of Ukraine’s warmaking ability which is allowing Russia to patiently maintain the current tempo, while it organizes its newly mobilized forces for offensive action in the coming year, setting the stage for cascading and unsustainable Ukrainian losses.

Continues at:

Russo-Ukrainian War: The World Blood Pump

[NamPikToot]

"Since Russia’s surprise decision to voluntarily withdraw from west bank Kherson in the first week of November,

[panama hat]

It needs to get the fuck out of Ukraine and pay dearly.

Yeh sure tough guy

So, wanting an invading army to leave is being a 'tough guy' for you? You are more fucked in the head than I thought.

[39TG]

I'm big on the make Russia pay dearly too. They must be made to pay big time for their invasion and war crimes. The economic war against Russia should last many decades unless the nature of the Russian government changes.

[Hugh Cow]

This Brovary debacle is both a major blow, and a major embarrassment to the Zelensky regime.

• Three top government Intelligence officials have been taken down at the same time,
• What were they even doing in the same chopper?
• It seems this was the work of Ukrainians themselves- but accidental or deliberate?
• It follows closely the sacking of Zboys director of strategic communications

FULL- Ukrainian interior minister’s death leaves many questions unanswered | Don't Speak News


Stay tuned.

That you take great delight in. As usual any news that remotely smell of a negative for ukraine, your nose picks up better than a vulture on a decomposing carcass.
I do find it rather concerning, the things you appear to constantly enjoy masturbating over. I'd see a medical professional about that if I were you.

[sabang]

Here Hughie, have something else to sulk about-

No one will win a protracted war in Ukraine

The negative consequences of the conflict are global and unsustainable; if anyone benefits from prolonged fighting, it’s Russia.

JANUARY 21, 2023
Written by
Suzanne Loftus


It lies in our interest — and that of the Ukrainians — to avoid a prolonged war in Ukraine. There is an important line between the West helping Ukraine defend itself, escalating the war to a dangerous level, and merely advancing a war of attrition — the latter of which may end up playing into Russian hands.

Given the catastrophically high cost of Russia’s invasion in human, economic, and political terms, and given that even those who advocate continuing to arm Ukraine say the outcome of the war is unclear, or even unwinnable, the United States should pair its military assistance with concrete steps towards laying the foundations for a peaceful end to the war. The timing may be ripe thanks to the fact that Western aid and Ukrainian successes on the battlefield have placed Ukraine in a favorable position for negotiations.

While some analysts understand the urgency to bring the war to an end, including Condoleezza Rice and Robert Gates, both former national security cabinet officials in the George W. Bush administration, they advocate for doing so by arming Ukraine with longer-range missiles and other offensive weapons in the belief it can prevail against Russia. Others, slightly more conscious of the escalatory risks of a “total defeat” strategy, including Ivo Daalder of the Chicago Council on Global Affairs and James Goldgeier of the Brookings Institution, do not seem to view a protracted conflict as something to avoid at all costs. They argue instead, that a prolonged war is the most likely scenario and that the West should do its best to support Ukraine through this. Neither approach would lead to a positive outcome.

The “total victory” approach discussed by Rice and Gates would entail going on the offensive to recapture all territory to pre-2014 status. Escalation is not viewed as a real obstacle to achieve this all-but-certain victory. This is highly reckless. In addition, this line of argument does not take into account the difficulties Ukraine would have in governing the peninsula if it managed to recapture it, as Crimeans remain mostly in favor of the Russian annexation. Most analysts acknowledge the popularity of the annexation of Crimea in 2014 among Russians, suggesting that most Russians would also be in support of defending the peninsula at all costs.

Along with further untapped conventional capabilities, the Kremlin possesses the largest nuclear arsenal in the world at its disposal. Chief Spokesman for the Kremlin Dmitri Peskov did not rule out the use of nuclear weapons should the country face an existential threat and Vladimir Putin himself has repeatedly cautioned that any attack on Russia could provoke a nuclear response.

Just recently, Deputy Chairman of Russia’s Security Council Dmitri Medvedev also warned of a nuclear war should the West try to defeat Russia in Ukraine. While many believe the threat of escalation and nuclear war to be overblown, or claim these threats have been discredited, gambling on this is immensely unwise regardless of the risk factor, as the costs would be enormous and irreversible. This does not mean that we would be “yielding to nuclear blackmail,” but rather applying caution to our strategy. The Biden administration appears to agree with this logic and has been reluctant to provide Ukraine with longer-range missiles, as Biden reiterated in a press conference during Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s visit to the White House.

Alternatively, Daalder and Goldgeier argue that the West needs to support a protracted conflict in Ukraine, as neither side will come to the negotiating table. This support would include continued military aid, containing Russia’s larger ambitions by maintaining economic sanctions and isolating Moscow diplomatically, and ensuring the conflict doesn’t escalate. While U.S. support for Ukraine should not waver, our priority should be to try and end the war. Though some have argued that a long war with Russia is a great bargain as we are weakening the country at a very low cost, a protracted conflict has important wide-reaching consequences that need to be avoided.

Russia and Ukraine have each lost at least 100,000 soldiers, according to European and U.S. military estimates. An estimated 40,000 Ukrainian civilians have died, according to General Mark Milley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The Ukrainian state is treading on a fine line with its economy in tatters, fully dependent on the West for a lifeline. At this point, damage to the Ukrainian economy has far exceeded damage to the Russian economy. Moreover, Russia seems to have the capacity to continue relentlessly bombing Ukrainian infrastructure. A long war would prevent the Ukrainian government from rebuilding its infrastructure, attracting investment, and becoming a full-fledged democracy — all of which would severely hamper Ukraine’s ability to take real steps towards integrating the EU.

An unresolved conflict also leaves larger security issues between Russia and the West unsolved, causing long-term insecurity across the continent. Structural imbalances have been a major point of contention in the Russian-Western relationship since the end of the Cold War, issues that will not resolve themselves without taking concrete steps to address them. One such issue is NATO enlargement (which also raises concerns on the placement of foreign bases and strategic weapons) and the different interpretations of the ‘‘indivisibility of security.” Moreover, the rising nationalism that will ensue in Russia as a result of its continued isolation will only tap into the Kremlin’s anti-Western narrative.

Europe, meanwhile, is in the grips of an economic crisis. Britain, France, Germany, and Spain are all seeing labor unrest and waves of protests as wages fail to keep up with the precipitous rise in the cost of living. The skyrocketing cost of energy has forced industries across the continent to shut down or suspend production, particularly as Washington rolls out its Inflation Reduction Act. This has alarmed EU officials, who fear that businesses will shift production to the United States, leading to the deindustrialization of Europe’s major economies. The continent could see a consequent rise in inequality, populism, and political unrest — as seen in the UK and the United States. These developments could create rifts in the transatlantic relationship, particularly as the United States simultaneously pressures the EU to follow its lead in distancing itself from China economically — which the EU cannot afford.

Americans are also struggling with inflation, which, although not as sharp as Europe’s, is causing people to increasingly question their government’s level of support for Ukraine if that means paying more for food and gas. According to a poll conducted in December by the Chicago Council on Global Affairs, 47 percent of Americans believe Washington should urge Kyiv to settle for peace as soon as possible, even if Ukraine would lose territory.

Time may very well be on Putin’s side, particularly as Russia has three times the manpower as Ukraine and a population accustomed to riding out tough economic times, unlike much of the Western world.

Based on the negative consequences of a protracted conflict illustrated above, it is within our interest to bring this war to an end. Rather than doing so by dramatically escalating the war, we need to pair our military assistance with real moves towards a peace settlement in Ukraine. The United States so far has not exhausted all its possibilities to initiate talks and should be investing far more into a diplomatic approach. As the main provider of Ukrainian financial and military support, the United States is in the position to take on this role. People’s lives and livelihood depend on it, as does the future of European security.

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/20...ar-in-ukraine/

[Norton]

No one will win a protracted war in Ukraine

Another statement of the obvious from another "expert".

[sabang]

I hope the State Dept is receptive- I think the Pentagon already is.

[panama hat]

No one will win a protracted war in Ukraine

So the Russian pricks should piss off back to Russia

[Hugh Cow]

Here Hughie, have something else to sulk about-

Not sulking my son I'm just trying to work out why you seem to take so much joy in Russia destroying a country that has not transgressed onto one millimetre of russian soil and spent so much of your time trying to justify what to most of the free thinking world is unjustifiable. Your thinking is almost Trumpesque.

[nidhogg]

Not sulking my son I'm just trying to work out why you seem to take so much joy in Russia destroying a country that has not transgressed onto one millimetre of russian soil and spent so much of your time trying to justify what to most of the free thinking world is unjustifiable..

Agreed. I find the apparent "glee" expressed by some posters (to be fair, on both sides of the issue) to be reprehensible and quite abhorrent.

[Hugh Cow]

Agreed. I find the apparent "glee" expressed by some posters (to be fair, on both sides of the issue) to be reprehensible and quite abhorrent.

Yes. while I support Ukraine I also am abhorred by Putins sensless waste of russian conscripts lives on the battlefield. The losers on both sides of this war are the families of those soldiers sacrificed, both Rusian and Ukrainian. Then there are the ones that will return but physically and mentally broken.

[sabang]

I am far from 'gleeful'- in fact I was quite furious that this war, or escalation, was allowed to break out in the first place when it could have been quite easily prevented by rational diplomacy. If you want me to be gleeful, start talking Peace.

[Hugh Cow]

^ The problem was it would have only been prevented by acceding to Putins demands. There was never going to be a russian retreat from ukrainian territory.