Ukraine war mega thread

[Joe 90]

If Russia can send prisoners to war then why can't the USA?

It's all about the money!

US prisoners are worth $150 a day to the private prison owners whereas Russian prisoners are worth a bowl of Red cabbage a day.

Simple economics and racism for beginners.

[sabang]

It was voluntary aid, you idiot. A gift.

U'mmm, nope.


Pakistan backstabs Russia, supplies arms to Ukraine

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Moscow | December 23, 2022 1109 AM IST

Even though the relations between Pakistan and Russia are said to be on an upswing, Islamabad is reported to be supplying weapons and ammunition to Kyiv, according to Geo-Politik citing the report published in the Russian web portal, Riafan. Islamabad seems to make money off the Russia-Ukraine war by supplying much-needed ammunition to Ukraine. Pakistani companies are also exploiting the ongoing conflict in maximizing their profit and expanding their operations in countries bordering Ukraine. Notably, CEO of Kestral, Liaqat Ali Beg, travelled to Poland, Romania, and Slovakia in May and June 2022. The report claimed that Islamabad is supposedly part of an air bridge for supplying weapons to Ukraine. It is apparently using defence suppliers and contractors operating in foreign countries to channel these shipments to Ukraine. The report revealed further that the UK is using Pakistan's Noor Khan Airbase in Rawalpindi as a key base for the transportation of military equipment for the Ukrainian Army. This report came at a time when Pakistan-Russia relations are the upswing. On one hand, Russia has agreed to provide at least 100,000 barrels per day of crude oil to Pakistan at discounted rates while on other hand, Islamabad is supplying arms and ammunition to Ukraine, reported Geo-Politik. Islamabad-based arms supplier M/s DMI Associates was in contact with Bulgaria-based firm M/s Defense Industry Group to facilitate the supply of manufactured defence stores to the Ukrainian government. Meanwhile, the Slovakia-based defence firm M/s Chemica had purportedly contacted Pak Ordinance Factories' ammunition supplier M/s Kestral, on behalf of Ukraine's Defence Ministry, the report said citing credible sources. Surprisingly, Ukrainian business M/s FORMAG had contacted M/s Bluelines Cargo Pvt Ltd in Pakistan to send gloves for their army, Geo-Politik reported. Pakistan's shipping and brokering firm 'Project Shipping' is also expected to send a consignment of arms and ammunition including mortars, rocket launchers and artillery rounds from Karachi to Poland. Although this is not a single-sided transaction as in the return for the arms supplement to Ukraine. Pakistan has asked for Ukraine's help to service and repair "TV3-117VM Engines" used in Mi-17 helicopters from the Ukrainian Joint Stock Company (JSC) 'Motor Sich,' headquartered in Zaporizhzhia. As it has been an enterprise of the Ukrainian government which it took control deeming "military necessity". This company has been involved with the production of aircraft engines as well as industrial marine gas turbines, according to Geo-Politik. Pakistan and Ukraine's military ties go back nearly three decades. According to data from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), Ukraine has supplied weapons worth nearly USD 1.6 billion to Pakistan till 2020. In the 1990s, Ukraine supplied 320 T-84UD tanks to Pakistan for a deal worth USD 600 million. (ANI) https://news.webindia123.com/news/ar...3/4018150.html There are plenty of death merchants outside the USA.

[bsnub]

U'mmm, nope.

The Ukrainians did not pay for any of those weapons. Besides, the argument that NATO is running out of artillery shells is an outright falsehood, and that was the more salient point here.

Everything else is semantics.

[sabang]

But of course, Russia IS running out of ammo. I mean it must be true, it's been said so many times.

[pickel]

I'm afraid the future will be determined by the Pacifists.

Is that why Putin keeps putting them in jail?

[panama hat]

Than Russia,?

No, just in percentage . . . though Russia will change leadership but China will change leadership style, it won't be the usual Communist set-up we've seen for the past few decades

But of course, Russia IS running out of ammo

Correct, but they still have ample to continue murdering tens of thousands

[OhOh]

If Russia can send prisoners to war

The prisoners were offered a deal. Serve in a military operation for a certain time and your jail time is done.

The prisoners could accept on reuse. There are videos on the subject available to all.

The Russia government did not send prisoners anywhere.

The 16% companies and armed military are sent where they are deemed necessary, no choice.

[OhOh]

Interview with Oleksiy Reznikov:
They are stupid and did not understand that we cannot be conquered!

"Oleksii Reznikov, the defence minister of Ukraine, interviewed by a Ukrainian TV station.

He states that they are defacto NATO, with 16% military are in Ukraine, fighting against Russia.

In Ukraine language so a translation tool will be required for some.

[OhOh]

Bombshell Admission: Ukraine is ‘Carrying Out NATO’s Mission’ Against Russia, Defense Chief Says

19:00 GMT 07.01.2023

"The confession comes amid repeated statements by senior Russian officials, including Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, that the Western alliance has been waging a “proxy war” against Russia in Ukraine. Western media and some officials, including now ex-Prime Minister Boris Johnson of Britain, have broadly dismissed these allegations.

Kiev has allowed itself to be used by NATO in the bloc’s wider conflict with Moscow, Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov has said."

Continues at:

Bombshell Admission: Ukraine is ‘Carrying Out NATO’s Mission’ Against Russia, Defense Chief Says

[sabang]

The brigade commander of the "Vostok" urged to moderate the intensity of "tactical joy" from success at the front

The victories of recent days, including the almost complete liberation of both Marinka and Soledar, inspire hope for many Russians - both those at the front and those at the rear. One cannot but rejoice for the successes of Russian soldiers, who are gradually pushing the enemy back and liberating the lands of Donbass.

However, the commander of the Vostok brigade, Alexander Khodakovsky, in his Telegram channel, calls for moderating the “intensity of tactical joy” from the victories won. After all, the enemy is still strong enough, and there is a lot of work for the Russian military.

We are not near Kyiv, but near Donetsk; the enemy is not exhausted and is capable of active actions, and all front-line soldiers are concentratedly waiting for the development of events

- writes Khodakovsky.

The brigade commander also recalls that ardent joy once already gave way to disappointment. Therefore, we must remain vigilant. But this, of course, does not detract from the feat of the Russian soldiers, who solve the assigned tasks with incredible efforts, emphasizes Alexander Khodakovsky.

Recall that last night it became known that Russian troops almost completely liberated Soledar. The main role in his occupation was played by PMC "Wagner". Today, Acting Head of the Donetsk People's Republic Denis Pushilin also announced the almost complete liberation of Maryinka and stressed the onset of a turning point in the liberation of the territory of Donbass. After all, Artemovsk will follow Soledar, and then opportunities will open up for the liberation of Kramatorsk and Slavyansk.

https://en.topwar.ru/208467-kombrig-vostoka-prizval-umerit-intensivnost-takticheskoj-radosti-ot-uspehov-na-fronte.html

[sabang]

Whoops, he must have had a senior moment -


The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine completely ignored the loss of Soledar, "forgetting" to mention it in the morning summary


The capture by Russian troops of one of the most important defense centers of the Ukrainian group in the Donbass is completely ignored by Kyiv, neither the office of the President of Ukraine nor the Ministry of Defense even remembered the loss of Soledar. In the morning summary of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine there is not even a mention of this city, although yesterday the representatives of the command menacingly puffed out their cheeks and promised victory, despite the fact that the first units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine began to leave the city territory.



The fact that Soledar came under Russian control was announced by the founder of Wagner PMC Evgeny Prigozhin, who personally visited the city last night. The fighting in the city continues, the city blocks are being cleared of the remaining representatives of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who did not want to surrender. It is emphasized that only the "iron-sided" Wagner participated in the storming of the city, there were no other units.

Thus, on the morning of January 11, 2023, the city of Soledar came under the control of the Russian army, but this fact is ignored in Ukraine. Zelensky simply "forgot" about the existence of this city, continuing to broadcast something about the "victory of world democracy", and there is no mention of it in the summary of the General Staff. There are repulsed attacks in the area of ​​​​Bakhmut (Artemovsk), but not about Soledar. They don’t like to talk about defeats in Kyiv, so if there was any victory, even a small one, they would inflate such a victory out of it that they would be surprised in Washington.

One Arestovich admitted that Soledar was taken by the Russians, but even here the prefix “but”, which is familiar to us, is often present in the “predictions” of the adviser to the head of Zelensky’s office. According to him, the Russians took the city, but this will not bring them any benefit, since it was just a PR campaign, the task of which was to show that the Russian army "is capable of taking cities." That is, according to Arestovich, having taken Mariupol, Lisichansk and many other cities, the Russian army did not convince Kyiv of such an ability, Soledar had to be taken as well. And Bakhmut takes, according to the logic of the representative of the office, to show the ability to take two cities in a row?

https://en.topwar.ru/208463-genshtab-vsu-polnostju-proignoriroval-poterju-soledara-zabyv-upomjanut-ob-jetom-v-utrennej-svodke.html

[panama hat]

Jaysus . . . three articles from OhWoe and two from sabang one after the other . . . the flow of bullshit is strong

[bsnub]

The useful idiots are spreading the propaganda they have been supplied. How utterly predictable.'

The Armed Forces of Ukraine state that the claims of the Russian military regarding the seizure of the city of Soledar are not true.
Source: Serhii Chrevatyi, spokesman for the Eastern Group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in a comment to Suspilne [Ukraine's public broadcaster – ed.]
Quote: "The Russians say that Soledar is under their control, but that is not true. Wait for details in the General Staff report."
Details: On the night of 11 January, the press service of Yevgeny Prigozhin, the owner of Wagner Private Military Company, posted a photo allegedly from the Soledar salt mine and reported that the entire territory of the city has allegedly been taken under the control of their fighters.
The Strategic Communications Department of the Armed Forces of Ukraine called this information a Russian information and psychological operation (IPSO).
"It seems that Prigozhin’s location is not accurate, and he is not in Soledar mines. An item of IPSO from Prigozhin’s PR people, which is aimed at a domestic audience, in order to somehow justify the huge losses among convicts," the department said.

• On the evening of 10 January, Hanna Maliar, Deputy Head of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence, said that the Ukrainian Armed Forces continue to hold the defence of the city of Soledar, Donetsk Oblast, with fierce fighting ongoing.
• CNN reported that the situation in Soledar is critical and dynamic, buildings change hands every day, and the death toll is so high that "no one counts the dead".
• Analysts from the Institute for War Studies reported that Russian troops have not captured the whole city of Soledar, but even if they do, Bakhmut will not be encircled.

Ukraine?s Armed Forces report Russian troops have not captured Soledar | Ukrainska Pravda

[bsnub]

Jaysus . . . three articles from OhWoe and two from sabang one after the other . . . the flow of bullshit is strong

The Russian propaganda machine is in full swing, desperate to be able to claim the smallest of victories. Things are bad back home as talk stirs about another mobilization. As a result, the useful idiots are doing their duty to push the lies like the clowns they are.

[Norton]

The head of Russia’s mercenary Wagner Group claims to have secured control of the salt mining town of Soledar in Ukraine’s east, but uncertainty remains as battles rage in the town centre.
The governor of eastern Kharkiv says the city was hit by Russian attacks hours after a surprise visit by German top diplomat Annalena Baerbock and her Ukrainian counterpart.

Russia-Ukraine live news: Fighting rages in centre of Soledar | Russia-Ukraine war News | Al Jazeera

Who knows?

[bsnub]

Who knows?

The one thing I know is to never trust the Russians. They claimed to take Soledar days ago. Had sabang and the other useful idiots on here flapping their wings. My sources say Soledar holds.

[bsnub]

An update this morning from Ukrainians in Soledar...

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...27223384444931

Those men you see moving in the video are vatniks conscripted from Russian prisons. They are being used as cannon fodder.

[bsnub]

Another update this morning from Ukrainians in Soledar...

https://twitter.com/Neptune_Fella/st...40046441336832

The valor and bravery of these men on the Ukrainian side is amazing.

[sabang]

It's a mop up operation- even Wagner said there were pockets of resistance. The top guy at Wagner said he will release the number of prisoners taken tomorrow. We'll see.

[Backspin]

Warning 18+. Russian soldier gives a few Ukrainians a chance to surrender. But Ukraine command is lying to everyone about everything. The Ukranians didn't expect a Russian to be taking their position from the rear. Even though everyone with a telegram acct for the last 2 days knows exactly that this could happen. So they get confused for that split second and its over.


https://twitter.com/Chadyrov11/statu...7mATSxe2AuBC8w

[pickel]

^
That's actually a good example of Wgners tactics. They send out wave after wave of convicts in small groups along the Ukrainian defensive line. Almost all are spotted and eliminated, and then one lucky guy like this one finds a weak spot. Then Wagner sends their professional soldiers to that weak spot. Not a sustainable strategy in my opinion. But Prigozhin gets his salt mines. What a sick fuck that guy is. The convicts will figure it out eventually and kill him.

[Backspin]

^ If he managed to train a convict to try and spare the lives of his hapless opponent then good on him.

But it most likely wasn't a convict. Their role in the war is vastly over stated by the Western media. And pretty much every narrative they spew is borderline cartoonish nonsense. As so aptly on display in that post.

[pickel]

But it most likely wasn't a convict.

Of course it was. All his mates were killed, that's why he's alone. If he retreated, he'd be shot. Prigozhin is on video telling them that.

[Backspin]

Of course it was. All his mates were killed, that's why he's alone. If he retreated, he'd be shot. Prigozhin is on video telling them that.

You can believe that a convict who's mates all died, whos running on pure fright, went beyond the Geneva convention in a trench raid all you want.

Convicts are used in high risk reconnaissance ops on both sides.

In that video of him making the offer to the convicts , that they had every right to refuse, he was just trying to show how serious the penalty for trying to escape was. Arming and training anyone with Gopro cameras and all is expensive. And this whole narrative in the western media that Wagerites are running into gunfire is cartoonish nonsense.

[pickel]

You can believe that a convict who's mates all died, whos running on pure fright, went beyond the Geneva convention in a trench raid all you want.

I didn't say anything about the Geneva Convention. You can also see a grenade go off on the edge of their trench right before the guy stormed it. They were in shock from that.

I watched it again and see he had some mates. A mixture of uniforms, so I don't think regular army. And the professionals in Wagner are kitted out better than that, so probably convicts. Wouldn't surprise me if he was wearing Ukrainian camo either, like some are saying.