Ukraine war mega thread

[bsnub]

This video is stunning. A veteran Ukrainian tank driver tells his story about the first tank battles of the war. No gore or anything like that, just a man in front of his well-used (battle-scarred) tank telling his tale.

Gripping...

[david44]

Tanks for the memory

[bsnub]

Tanks for the memory

Pretty amazing story. Tanks to you for responding.

[helge]

Nothing is being "withheld" from me. Unlike you, I do not get my information from state controlled propaganda outlets. So the idea of anything being withheld from me is impossible and beyond idiotic. I disseminate information from a broad scope of resources unlike yourself.

This deserve to be saved.

The degree of hubris is quite astonishing.

[harrybarracuda]

Bit pointless this thread. Too many posts getting deleted. Anything that questions the Ukraine all good and Russian all bad narrative is wiped.

FFS, surely the moderator of speakers cannot be snubbie!!!

What gets removed is obvious propaganda, which in the case of Russia is anything that comes from state-controlled media.

Do you not know that there is no free press in Russia? Are you really that gormless? I mean I suspected it, but you keep seeming to want to prove it with every post.

[bsnub]

The degree of hubris is quite astonishing.

No, it just shows that your ability to use the tools you have right in front of you to disseminate information are lacking. Hence, your willingness to swallow various narratives crafted in the Kremlin. Ironic that some on here claim you to be the impartial one.

[sabang]

Found them WMD then?

[panama hat]

Found them WMD then?

Yes, and Putin even threatened to use them


Oh, you're 'whatabouting' again . . . you know, the thing you said you had done exactly "once".

[sabang]

Well no, I said I had resorted to accusing others of 'Whataboutism' once. The pathetic resort of an intellectual coward. Whatabout them WMD for hubris- or maybe the 'fact'
that Saddam Hussein poses a clear and present danger to us all? But that's old hat- if Vladamort is allowed his way, he's gonna run over the whole of Europe I tell ya!

[bsnub]

Found them WMD then?

The biolabs you claimed were in Ukraine?

The pathetic resort of an intellectual coward.

You really are, I am stunned that you would admit it since you are the biggest whataboutism poster on the door.

[sabang]

Howzat for Hubris? The Pentagon was only looking for a cure for Aids.

[panama hat]

Well no

Well . . . yes.

[bsnub]

Howzat for Hubris? The Pentagon was only looking for a cure for Aids.

You and skiddy are really the leading candidates for TD idiot of the year.

[sabang]

Soundly beaten by you. Idiot.

[sabang]

Ukraine’s position with allies is wearing thin as fears grow over economic effect of protracted war, officials tell newspaper

US officials have reportedly warned the Ukrainian government in private that it needs to signal an openness to negotiating with Russia.Officials in Washington have warned that “Ukraine fatigue” among allies could worsen if Kyiv continues to be closed to negotiations, the Washington Post reported. US officials told the paper that Ukraine’s position on negotiations with Russia is wearing thin among allies who are worried about the economic effects of a protracted war.

Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, has said Ukraine is only prepared to enter negotiations with Russia if its troops leave all parts of Ukraine, including Crimea and the eastern areas of the Donbas, de facto controlled by Russia since 2014, and if those Russians who have committed crimes in Ukraine face trial.

Zelenskiy also made clear that he would not hold negotiations with the current Russian leadership. Last month, he signed a decree specifying that Ukraine would only negotiate with a Russian president who has succeeded Vladimir Putin.


The US has so far given Ukraine $18.9bn (£16.6bn) worth of aid and is ready to give more, saying it will support Ukraine for as long as it takes. However, allies in parts of Europe, Africa and Latin America, US officials told the Post, are concerned by the strain that the war is putting on energy and food prices as well as supply chains.
“Ukraine fatigue is a real thing for some of our partners,” one US official said.

US officials have requested that Kyiv signal its openness to negotiate not to push Ukraine towards the negotiating table immediately, but to maintain the support of concerned allies, according to the Post.

For Ukrainian officials, the US’s request would mean reneging on several months of rhetoric about the need for a decisive military defeat against Russia in order to secure Ukraine’s security in the long term – a message that strongly resonates with the Ukrainian population who fear Russia will only try again to capture the country in the future.

The atrocities, deaths and destruction caused by Russia’s invasion have made negotiations unpalatable to many Ukrainians, particularly as the mood in Ukraine is buoyant after a string of successes on the battlefield in the north-east Kharkiv and southern Kherson regions.

Despite the strong rhetoric, losing allied support could have repercussions for Ukraine, particularly in terms of sanctions. The veteran diplomat Alexander Vershbow told the Post that “if the conditions become more propitious for negotiations, I don’t think the [US] administration is going to be passive”.

Russian officials have said Kyiv is preparing to attempt a second offensive to retake more of the occupied Kherson region. Recapturing it would have immense symbolic and logistical value for Ukraine as Russia wants the area to secure a water supply to Crimea as well as a land bridge to Russia. In a statement on Telegram, the Russian-controlled Kherson administration said electricity and water supplies were down after a “terrorist attack” damaged three power lines in the occupied part of the region.


The Russian-installed Kherson official Kirill Stemousov said on Thursday that Russian forces would probably withdraw to the eastern bank of the city, after the occupying authorities took down the Russian flag from the regional administration building and reportedly moved into an office on the east bank.

The events, which followed a mass evacuation of occupied Kherson, prompted rumours that the Russians might be withdrawing.

However, Russian forces have been strengthening their positions and the spokesperson for Ukraine’s southern command, Natalia Humeniuk, described it as a ruse to draw Ukraine into battle. Recent battlefield BBC reports from Ukraine’s side of the Kherson frontline, indicate that Kyiv’s forces may still lack the necessary equipment.

In the first month of the war, Ukraine and Russia held talks in which Ukraine promised it would remain neutral in exchange for the return of its territories. But Russia called for Ukraine to recognise its annexed territories and the “demilitarisation” and “denazification” of Ukraine – terms that Ukraine and its western allies did not take seriously.

Reiterating his stance on Friday, Zelenskiy described Russia’s willingness to let so many Russian men die in the war as “insane stubbornness”, which he said indicated that their alleged readiness to negotiate was “false”.

“When someone thinks about negotiations, he does not look for ways to deceive everyone around him in order to send tens or hundreds of thousands more people to the meat grinder – mobilised or in the form of some mercenaries,” Zelenskiy said.

FULL- https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...a-talks-report

[bsnub]

Soundly beaten by you.

Not even a close comparison. You stooges are utter clowns.

[sabang]

See post #10090 above.

[bsnub]

Lots of good info over here about the massive casualties the Russians are taking. The 155th Naval Infantry Brigade of the Russian Pacific Fleet was completely annihilated in Pavlivka...

Ukraine update: Russian naval infantry decimated at Pavlivka in stunning defeat

[Iceman123]

Soundly beaten by you. Idiot.

Arguing with Snubbie is like mud wrestling with a pig. After a while you realise the pig actually enjoys it.

[russellsimpson]

He enjoys it and you get covered in shit. Bad deal.

[bsnub]

Arguing with Snubbie is like mud wrestling with a pig. After a while you realise the pig actually enjoys it.

He enjoys it and you get covered in shit. Bad deal.

What we have here are two Putin supporting apologist morons. RS is a govelling little dimwit and Icebitch is a clown who came in here to gloat about Russia winning the war months ago and has been butthurt ever since.



Game. Set. Match.

[helge]

Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, has said Ukraine is only prepared to enter negotiations with Russia if its troops leave all parts of Ukraine, including Crimea and the eastern areas of the Donbas, de facto controlled by Russia since 2014, and if those Russians who have committed crimes in Ukraine face trial.

I guess that he has to say that

Zelenskiy also made clear that he would not hold negotiations with the current Russian leadership. Last month, he signed a decree specifying that Ukraine would only negotiate with a Russian president who has succeeded Vladimir Putin.

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Someone has to fall on his sword. Might not be Zelensky's decision who will be tripped

The atrocities, deaths and destruction caused by Russia’s invasion have made negotiations unpalatable to many Ukrainians, particularly as the mood in Ukraine is buoyant after a string of successes on the battlefield in the north-east Kharkiv and southern Kherson regions.

Understanable

But it could be an ugly winter.

I hope for talks soon.

They have to

[david44]

Understanable

But it could be an ugly winter.

I hope for talks soon.

They have to

Dear Stan Helgepanz

We understan the Quean's Emgrish is not your natural discharge, nor mein so vee are excused.

Agree a very ugly winter looms for all in European civil war's latest bout

Agree talks needed and will happen one day but not necessarily in our lifetime, unless a short sharp nuclear end for all.

My gf bong and cocktail mixer are training how to best use our last 4 minutes

"They have to"

I'd like to agree but I fear later rather than sooner

Some big players have no interest in immediate cease

Ukrainians wish to recover all lost territory including Crimea which will take time

Russians wish to consolidate Donbas and the 4 phoney reeferendum republics

Putin needs a result more as each setback occurs, he's hoping for a date with Donny in '24

China and USA see their economic rival Europe weakened while dents mount.

Of course for arms designers and dealers any live war is free trial advertising, the longer the better, and unlike buying a bike the materiel needs replacing at huge profit expense on a daily basis the more frequent violent the exchanges the bigger the turnover.

[helge]

Yeah

You are probably right

In all of it !


But let's hope not

[David48atTD]

Nov 6, 2022 BREAKING!
Ukraine Finally Used NASAMS Against Russian Missiles The complex itself is quite young.
The development of the first generation of NASAMS began in the early 1990s after Western specialists had come to understand the essence of network-centric warfare.

This understanding is reflected in the architecture of the complex - the launchers and radar are separated from the control points.
This allows NASAMS operators to engage air targets without fear of retaliation.