Ukraine war mega thread

[harrybarracuda]

Right now, I think China are the adults in the room. Hoping for better from the USA.

Well it has taken them a long time to come around, but yes, they've finally started telling Putin he's wrong, so there is some merit in that argument.

[harrybarracuda]

I am no fan of Putin, I am no fan of the CCP, even wearing my WUMAO t shirt right now. I am slowly losing my support for America though. It is not as if this is America's first fucking rodeo. Read 'Sideshow' by William Shawcross and bare witness to the monumental fuck up in Cambodia. As a Brit, I really do not want to support them or be friends with them anymore. America, Russia and China can all fuck off, the world would be a better place for it.

Regardless of their past historical fuckups, they're they only thing stopping Putin rolling across Europe and trying to restore the USSR, so I wouldn't be so fucking whiny about them if I were you.

[harrybarracuda]

Really? Many more prominent people than I thought that the SMO could have been avoided, as indeed it should have been. Now, Russia is about to annex some 17% of what was once Ukraine. Enjoy. Take some solace from your fuel and heating bills, and general inflation too. Misery loves company.

Only a fucking thicko calls it an "SMO".

It's an invasion, even if you did hilariously fail to predict it.

[sabang]

Hilarious e'hhh? Well I'm glad you're enjoying it at least.

[misskit]

What could happen if Putin used nuclear weapons in Ukraine?

Washington (AFP) – President Vladimir Putin's threat to use a nuclear weapon in Ukraine if Russian "territorial integrity" is threatened has sparked deep discussion in the West as to how it would respond.



"Those who are trying to blackmail us with nuclear weapons should know that the wind can also turn in their direction," Putin said, adding: "This is not a bluff."


However analysts aren't convinced the Russian president is willing to be the first to unleash nuclear weapons since the US bombed Japan in 1945.


AFP spoke with several experts and officials about the possible scenarios that could arise should Russia carry out a nuclear attack.


What would a Russian nuclear attack look like?

Analysts say Moscow would likely deploy one or more "tactical" or battlefield nuclear bombs.


These are small weapons, ranging from 0.3 kilotons to 100 kilotons of explosive power, compared to the 1.2 megatons of the largest US strategic warhead or the 58 megaton bomb Russia tested in 1961.


Tactical bombs are designed to have a limited impact on the battlefield, compared to strategic nuclear weapons which are designed to fight and win all-out wars.


But "small" and "limited" are relative: The atom bomb the US dropped on Hiroshima in 1945 to devastating effect was just 15 kilotons.


What would Moscow target?


Analysts say Russia's goal in using a tactical nuclear bomb in Ukraine would be to frighten it into surrender or submission to negotiations, and to divide the country's Western backers.


Mark Cancian, a military expert with the CSIS International Security Program in Washington, said Russia would not likely use nuclear weapons on the front lines.


Capturing 20 miles (32 kilometers) of territory could require 20 small nuclear bombs -- small gains for the huge risks of introducing nuclear weapons and nuclear fallout.


"Just using one will not be enough," Cancian said.


Moscow could instead send a strong message and avoid significant casualties by detonating a nuclear bomb over water, or exploding one high over Ukraine to generate an electromagnetic pulse that would knock out electronic equipment.


Or Putin could opt for greater destruction and death: attacking a Ukraine military base, or hitting an urban center like Kyiv, generating mass casualties and possibly killing the country's political leadership.


Such scenarios "would likely be designed to split the NATO alliance and global consensus against Putin," Jon Wolfsthal, a former white House nuclear policy expert, wrote Friday on Substack.


But "it is unclear if it would succeed, and could just as easily be seen as desperation as resolve," he said.


Should the West respond with nukes?


The West has remained ambiguous on how it would respond to a tactical nuclear strike, and the choices are complicated.


The United States and NATO do not want to appear weak in front of an implicit nuclear threat.


But they also would want to avoid the possibility that the war in Ukraine -- not a NATO member -- could escalate into a much broader, devastating global nuclear war.


Experts say the West would have no option but to respond, and that a response should come from NATO as a group, rather than the United States alone.


Any response should "ensure both that Putin's military situation did not improve from such a strike, and that his political, economic and personal position suffered as a result," said Wolfsthal.


The United States has positioned about 100 of its own tactical nuclear weapons in NATO countries and could respond in kind against Russian forces.


That would demonstrate resolve and remind Moscow of the danger of its actions, according to Matthew Kroenig of the Atlantic Council.


However, he said, "it might also provoke a Russian nuclear reprisal, raising the risk of a larger nuclear exchange and further humanitarian disaster."


Another risk is that some NATO members might reject a nuclear response, serving Putin's aims of weakening the alliance.


Give Ukraine the ability to attack Russia?


Answering a Russian nuclear attack in a more conventional military or diplomatic way, and supplying Ukraine with more lethal arms to attack Russia, could be more effective, experts say.


"Russian nuclear use might provide an opening to convince countries that have so far been reluctant -- such as India and possibly even China -- to participate in escalating sanctions," said Kroenig.


In addition, the United States could offer Ukraine NATO aircraft, Patriot and THAAD anti-missile batteries, and ATACMS long-range missiles that could be used by Ukraine forces to strike deep inside Russia.


"Whatever restrictions we have on Ukraine forces -- and I think we have some restrictions -- I think we take all of those off," said Cancian.


What could happen if Putin used nuclear weapons in Ukraine?

[sabang]

This whole episode hasn't gone very well for you so far in terms of predictions, has it?

I'm inclined to think this is one long wind up on your part or you actually enjoy being humiliated and looking the class clown each week.

Seeing as you and the other TD boneheads persist in repeating this ridiculous lie (along with 'Putin is having his ass handed to him on a plate', when 17% of the former Ukrainian federation is about to be returned to Russia) here, have some war porn-



High-precision liquidation: the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported the destruction of up to 300 foreign mercenaries in the Nikolaev region

9/25/2022, 3:57:38 AM

The official representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant General Igor Konashenkov, said that the Russian Armed Forces launched a missile attack on the point of temporary deployment of foreign mercenaries in the Nikolaev region, as a result of which up to 300 militants were eliminated. In addition, as a result of the "massive fire damage" of the mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the nationalists lost more than 140 servicemen killed and wounded, as well as 19 units of military equipment. In addition, more than 200 nationalists, three tanks and 16 infantry fighting vehicles were destroyed by high-precision strikes by the Russian Aerospace Forces on the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The Russian armed forces launched a missile attack on the point of temporary deployment of foreign mercenaries in the Kalinovka region (Nikolaev region), as a result of the attack, up to 300 militants were eliminated.

This was announced during a briefing on September 24 by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant General Igor Konashenkov. According to the agency, due to the "massive fire damage" of the mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of ​​Kupyansk, Kharkiv region and Shchurov (DPR), the nationalists lost more than 140 servicemen killed and wounded, as well as 19 units of military equipment.

“The high-precision strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces on the positions of the 28th mechanized and 59th motorized infantry brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near the city of Nikolaev, as well as the 61st infantry chasseur brigade near the village of Ternovka, Nikolaev region, destroyed more than 200 nationalists, three tanks and 16 armored combat vehicles ", - added to the Ministry of Defense.

In addition, as a result of an unsuccessful attempt by the 10th Mountain Assault Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the direction of the settlement of Berestovoye (DPR), 48 Ukrainian servicemen, including seven officers, were liquidated, and four armored vehicles were destroyed.

Thanks to the coordinated actions of aviation, artillery and missile forces, the Russian Armed Forces hit five command posts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the DPR, Zaporozhye, Kharkiv, Kherson and Nikolaev regions, as well as 62 artillery units in a day.

In 153 districts, military equipment and manpower of the enemy were destroyed.

Along with this, according to the Ministry of Defense, Russian troops destroyed three warehouses of ammunition and rocket and artillery weapons, a radar station (RLS) of the Ukrainian S-300 anti-aircraft missile system and the Norwegian counter-battery radar "Arthur".

During the briefing, General Konashenkov also said that over the past day, the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down a MiG-29 fighter of the Ukrainian Air Force, which was converted to use American HARM anti-radar missiles.

In turn, the Russian air defense forces intercepted seven drones, destroyed 42 HIMARS and Vilkha multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) in the air, as well as three HARM anti-radar missiles and two Tochka-U tactical missiles.

The Ministry of Defense also reported that the Kyiv regime continues provocations in the area of ​​the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant.

According to the military department, Russian air defense systems shot down a Bayraktar TB2 drone over the Kakhovka reservoir, which was moving in the direction of the nuclear power plant.

• Ministry of Defense of Russia
• RIA News

“Artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine fired on the holiday village of Volna, located in the immediate vicinity of the nuclear power plant.

In total, ten shells were fired from the area of ​​​​the settlement of Marganets, Dnepropetrovsk region.

The enemy firepower was suppressed by the return fire of Russian artillery, ”the Ministry of Defense said, adding that at the moment the radiation situation at the nuclear power plant is normal.

Later, the administration of Energodar informed that the Armed Forces of Ukraine opened fire on the city.

It is reported about four artillery hits in the area of ​​this settlement.

Under fire from the Armed Forces

Meanwhile, there is still a tense situation related to the security of the liberated territories of the DPR, LPR, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions, where a vote is now underway on the entry of these regions into Russia.Donetsk is under constant shelling of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

As the head of the DPR Denis Pushilin said on the air of the Rossiya 24 TV channel, as a result of attacks by nationalists, three people were injured and one died.

According to local authorities, the strikes are delivered immediately on a number of districts of the city and in its center.

According to the representative office of the DPR in the Joint Center for Control and Coordination of Issues Related to War Crimes of Ukraine, the Armed Forces of Ukraine fired three 155-mm shells at the central part of Donetsk.

In addition, the mayor of the city, Aleksey Kulemzin, announced the shelling of the government building.It is also restless in Nova Kakhovka (Kherson region), where, as they say in the message of the city administration, there was a fire due to the fall of a fragment of an “enemy rocket”.

It is noted that the fire occurred near the trading house.

In turn, the chairman of the movement “We are together with Russia” and the branch of the Russian Historical Society of the Zaporozhye region, Vladimir Rogov, said on the Telegram channel that a sabotage group that penetrated from the territory of Ukraine was discovered and destroyed in the Zaporozhye region.

The areas of the LPR remain under the fire of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

According to the People's Militia of the Republic, the Armed Forces of Ukraine fired 24 MLRS HIMARS missiles per day.

“Over the past day, the armed formations of Ukraine fired at the settlements of Stakhanov, Rubizhne, Svatovo and Alchevsk using the American M142 HIMARS MLRS, firing 24 missiles,” the ministry’s message on Telegram specifies.Several infrastructure facilities and vehicles were damaged.

High-precision liquidation: the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported the destruction of up to 300 foreign mercenaries in the Nikolaev region - Teller Report

So there, yawwwn- get yer rocks off.

[bsnub]

This is Roman. I have posted his videos here before. He is a young Russian YouTuber who left the country at the start of the war, and he currently resides in Georgia. He has some opinions of about this mobilization.

[bsnub]

[bsnub]

Seeing as you and the other TD boneheads persist in repeating this ridiculous lie

The only one posting fucking lies on here is you, and that post you made is fucking fake news horseshit.

You have more humiliation coming.

[sabang]

The humiliation is firmly with your inept, bloody minded US State Dept, which could easily have prevented this war but didn't. Now look at the state of the world, and Ukraine in particular. Now they reap what they have sown-



All the Young Dudes, Carry the (Russian) News

Pepe Escobar
September 24, 2022


The SCO in Samarkand and the UN General Assembly have demonstrated how virtually the whole Global South outside of NATOstan does not demonize Russia.

Geopolitical tectonic plates are reelin’ and rockin’, and the sound is heard all around the world, as the twin baby bears DPR and LPR plus Kherson and Zaporozhye vote on their referendums. Irretrievable fact: by the end of next week Russia most certainly will be on the way to add over 100,000 km2 and over 5 million people to the Federation.

Denis Pushilin, head of the DPR, summed it all up: “We’re going home”. The baby bears are coming to Mama.

Coupled with the partial mobilization of up to 300,000 Russian reservists – arguably just a first phase – the raise-the-stakes consequences are immense. Exit the previous soft format of the Special Military Operation (SMO): enter serious kinetic war, not hybrid, against any actor, vassal or otherwise, that dares to attack Russian territory.

There’s a very short window of Chinese-coined crisis/opportunity for the collective West, or NATOstan, to negotiate. They won’t. Even as anyone with an IQ over room temperature knows that the only way for the Empire of Chaos/Lies/Plunder to “win” – outside of the cover of The Economist – would be by launching a first-strike flurry of tactical nuclear weapons, which would meet a devastating Russian response.

The Kremlin knows it – President Putin has publicly alluded to it; the Russian General Staff (RGS) knows it; the Chinese know it (and have called, also publicly, for negotiations).

Instead, we have hysterical Russophobia reaching a paroxysm. And from the deer-caught-in-the-headlights vassals, an extra toxic sludge of fear and loathing.

FULL- All the Young Dudes, Carry the (Russian) News — Strategic Culture


Go cry in each others cornflakes in your diminishing echo chamber. I would love to have a US that I can believe in again, as I am sure many others would. Purge those neocon pustules from your foreign policy establishment, puhleez. They have been nothing but a disaster, this whole century.

[misskit]

Seems this guy blames Poland.

Pink Floyd founder cancels Poland concerts after war remarks

WARSAW, Poland (AP) — Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters has canceled concerts planned in Poland amid outrage over his stance on Russia’s war against Ukraine, Polish media reported Saturday.


An official with the Tauron Arena in Krakow, where Waters was scheduled to perform two concerts in April, said they would no longer take place.


“Roger Waters’ manager decided to withdraw ... without giving any reason,” Lukasz Pytko from Tauron Arena Krakow said Saturday in comments carried by Polish media outlets.


The website for Waters’ “This Is Not a Drill” concert tour did not list the Krakow concerts previously scheduled for April 21-22.


City councilors in Krakow were expected to vote next week on a proposal to name Waters as a persona non grata, expressing “indignation” over the musician’s stance on the war in Ukraine.


Waters wrote an open letter to Ukrainian first lady Olena Zelenska early this month in which he blamed “extreme nationalists” in Ukraine for having “set your country on the path to this disastrous war.” He also criticized the West for supplying Ukraine with weapons, blaming Washington in particular.


Waters has also criticized NATO, accusing it of provoking Russia.

Pink Floyd founder cancels Poland concerts after war remarks | AP News

[bsnub]

Well, Sabangs lost his shit again. Obviously triggered because Hal pointed out the truth. So having a tantrum and spewing Russian MOD fake news while calling other posters liars.

I'm inclined to think this is one long wind up on your part or you actually enjoy being humiliated and looking the class clown each week.

Well said Hal! Well said!

[sabang]

I am glad you are so happy that a sizable chunk of Novorussiya is about to return home. So are the people there, or at least the vast majority of them. I don't think your inept government is so happy about it however, given the way they are squealing like stuck pigs.

[misskit]

^ Is it the vast majority, though. The way I have read about it is that many Russian speaking people in the cities want to go with Russia but the countryside people are Ukrainian and want to stay that way.

[sabang]

There is somewhat a urban/ rural divide mk. But a comfortable majority in population terms are pro-Russian. I would hope, when sanity prevails and some sort of imperfect peace is arrived at, there will be provision made for some population shifts, in both directions.

[Switch]

There is somewhat a urban/ rural divide mk. But a comfortable majority in population terms are pro-Russian. I would hope, when sanity prevails and some sort of imperfect peace is arrived at, there will be provision made for some population shifts, in both directions.

It’s only a majority when no votes are recorded at gunpoint!

[Shutree]

But a comfortable majority in population terms are pro-Russian.

That might be the case but it is not the way that the world organizes itself and this argument is merely another pretext for Putin to prosecute this poorly conceived and highly dangerous misadventure.
Ukraine is a globally recognised sovereign state. End of.

[sabang]

So was Yugoslavia. End of.

[HermantheGerman]

The humiliation is firmly with your inept, bloody minded US State Dept, which could easily have prevented this war but didn't.

Blaaa... Blaaa.... Blaaa....

How many times are you going to repeat your stupid BS. We have read you opinion now stop repeating it a million times.
Running out of arguments just like your friend Putler?

[HermantheGerman]

So was Yugoslavia. End of.

End of?

Sorry my dear Putler supporter, we are not in one of your beloved dictator countries.
Continue...

[bsnub]

But a comfortable majority in population terms are pro-Russian.

Complete and total horseshit from you as always. You are just making shit up, as usual. The overwhelming majority are pro-Ukriane, and they have proved it time and again, blowing up and assassinating Russian appointed puppet leaders.

None of this matters however because Russia is losing this war and will be forced out of Ukraine in the entirety. When that happens you will flounce again just like you did when Ukraine started claiming major battlefield victories.

The tide of the war has turned, and everyday Ukraine gets stronger and Russia gets weaker. More and more advanced weapons are pouring into Ukraine every day. Thousands upon thousands of Ukrainian soldiers who were trained abroad by NATO countries are starting to return home and already have entered the war. Many of those soldiers took part in the Kharkov offensive. An offensive that is still underway.

On top of all of this, the US lend lease program has not even started yet. It will come October 1st.

On the flip side of the coin, Russia's "mobilization" is off to a pathetic start, and it has been stated that the first soldiers will be given one week of training before being sent to the front equipped with WW2 era gear and weapons.

Russia is fucked and your game is up.

[sabang]

Yawwn. Your answer will be provided by, and is being provided by, developments on the ground. No point wasting time on you.

[HermantheGerman]

Yawwn. Your answer will be provided by, and is being provided by, developments on the ground. No point wasting time on you.

You mean Russian democracy

[sabang]

No, I mean Ukrainian democracy.

[Shutree]

So was Yugoslavia.

I think you are making the point that borders can and do change, fair enough.
There is really no comparison between the abhorrent civil war (is there any other kind?) which led to the internal break up of Yugoslavia and the invasion by Russia of Ukraine and the annexation of a portion that country. I don't remember details, were any parts of Yugoslavia subsumed by its neighbours under force of arms?