Ukraine war mega thread

[sabang]

Realpolitik- the Russian army and Donbass armies are there, with the overwhelming support of most of the local population- and you ain't gonna be able to get them out of there Kiev.

Quasi-Legally- the former Ukrainian Federation ceased to exist when the legally elected government was overthrown illegally by violent Revolution, and the former Constitution was cancelled. Thus the post Maidan government can not quote it's own self created laws to lay claim to those parts of the former Ukraine that chose to secede after the Revolution. The Rule of Law, former Constitution, and Social Contract were irredeemably broken, and the former Ukraine's territorial integrity along with it.

'Reasonably'- If such events were to occur in Canada, say an anglophone cabal backed by certain Oligarchs and British money overthrew the legally elected (but alarmingly French leaning) government via Revolution, and declared a new "Canada for Canadians" with a new Constitution. French no longer a national language, no more bilingual street signs and so on. How do you think the Quebecois might react?

[sabang]

The WTA said it was a "difficult decision".

Sure it was, but I believe it to be the right decision. Keep religion and sport out of politics.

[NamPikToot]

^ Bollox, most of the right thinking world decry what Russia has done, their people are complicit until they turn against Putin - fuk em all.

[sabang]

Most of the 'right thinking world' abhors the ongoing Israeli invasion and occupation of Palestine too. So no Jews in sport, right?
Most of the 'right thinking world' deplores the calamitous US & allies invasion of Iraq, and the lies that were told to justify it. So no yanks, poms, aussies etc in sport, right?
And so on- fuk em all. You mix politics & religion with sport, you just open a can of worms.

[Norton]

Realpolitik- the Russian army and Donbass armies are there, with the overwhelming support of most of the local population- and you ain't gonna be able to get them out of there Kiev.

Wouldn't bet on not getting it back but in any case, Russia's presence there is by any measure illegal. Overwhelming support is it? Says who?

Quasi-Legally

Interesting term.

How do you think the Quebecois might react?

Learn English as a start like the Chinese and 80% of Canadians have.

[panama hat]

So you

.... No. Fuck you and your red herrings.

Scott Ritter and Sabang...a couple made in heaven

No surprise there . . . if he's a racist as well then the match is made in heaven

[sabang]

Russia's presence there is by any measure illegal.

Yes.

Quasi-Legally



Interesting term.

Well, I have to hedge don't I- given the above. Criminality abounds in international politics.

Learn English as a start like the Chinese

No more poutine then. That'll learn em.

[Norton]

No more poutine then

I can live without it but a new law making this a national dish would be in order.

[bsnub]

Most of the 'right thinking world' abhors the ongoing Israeli invasion and occupation of Palestine too.

Do not attempt to play your phony leftist card here. The fact that you opposed the US invasion of Iraq but cheerlead the illegal Russian invasion of Ukraine paints you as more of a fascist in reality. Consistency helps us to avoid hypocrisy.

[pickel]

Sabang, I think a more comparable hypothesis would be if China started meddling in Canadian politics and had a "quasi-legal" vote in Richmond BC to separate from Canada. And then sent little green men in to make it so. But you'd probably cheer that one on as well, because that's what sycophants do.

[sabang]

What do you think about the fact I believe the US (specifically it's abysmal foreign policy under slowjo) is partly to blame for the illegal Russian invasion of Ukraine snubbles?

[David48atTD]

1/ Ukraine was planning on invading the Donbas in March.
2/ We have undeniable evidence of this.

BS ... 2 questions/statements

1/ A sovereign country (Ukraine) can't invade itself (the Donbas area of Ukraine).

2/ Who is 'We' ?

[bsnub]

What do you think about the fact I believe the US (specifically it's abysmal foreign policy under slowjo) is partly to blame for the illegal Russian invasion of Ukraine snubbles?

Being that you said this war would never happen in the first place, I think you have no idea what you are talking about. You made a fool of yourself for months, literally straining yourself until red in the face, bleating on and on about how Putin would never invade.

Now you cling to fake news propaganda sites and quote pedophiles and other far right loons in an attempt to validate your already exposed position. You lost the ability to save face months ago.

[sabang]

^^ A 'sovereign country' abdicates it's Sovereignty when a violent and illegal Revolution occurs that topples the legal government.
New arrangements must then be made- Constitutionally, Legally, and perhaps Territorially. In short, it becomes a different Polity.

[harrybarracuda]

^^ A 'sovereign country' abdicates it's Sovereignty when a violent and illegal Revolution occurs that topples the legal government.
New arrangements must then be made- Constitutionally, Legally, and perhaps Territorially. In short, it becomes a different Polity.

Were you drunk when you wrote this shit?

Jesus, I can't wait for puffy to die so you don't have an arse to kiss.

[David48atTD]

^^ A 'sovereign country' abdicates it's Sovereignty when a violent and illegal Revolution occurs that topples the legal government.
New arrangements must then be made- Constitutionally, Legally, and perhaps Territorially. In short, it becomes a different Polity.

That's your opinion, not a fact.

Here is some light reading for you

USURPING THE SOVEREIGNTY OF
SOVEREIGNTY?
https://library.fes.de/libalt/journa...t/10015480.pdf

[Norton]

A 'sovereign country' abdicates it's Sovereignty when a violent and illegal Revolution occurs that topples the legal government

Very large street protests do not constitute a violent illegal revolution. Things got violent when state police opened fire on the protestors killing 108 of them. And yep, some of the protestor fought back and 13 cops were killed. The legal government was not toppled by the protestors. The president was "legally" impeached by the elected parliament.

[HermantheGerman]

Not in the Donbass, Crimea, or Kerson snubs. I would be more than willing to have this put to the Democratic test. Of course in Crimea that is past history, but in the other places I believe that is exactly what should be done. To cement the deal.

Calling you stupid is an understatement!
Do you have any brain at all? Do you know what happened in Donbass, Crimea and all those "brainwashed Putler regions" ???
Do some real research and count 1+1 together.

[OhOh]

The Donbas is part of Ukraine you idiot

The citizens of those countries voted to leave Ukraine.



2014 Crimean status referendum

March 16, 2014
Subdivisions of Crimea colored according to referendum results
Location	Crimea (Autonomous Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol)
Voting system	Majority voting
Autonomous Republic of Crimea[a]
Join the Russian Federation   96.77% Restore the 1992 constitution   2.51% Invalid votes   0.72% Voter turnout: 83.1%
Sevastopol[1]
Join the Russian Federation   95.60% Restore the 1992 constitution   3.37% Invalid votes   1.03% Voter turnout: 89.5%

This article is part of a series on the politics and government of
Crimea
Republic of Crimea (within Russia, 2014-present) Constitution State Council Head: Sergey Aksyonov Prime Minister: Yury Gotsanyuk Recent elections Parliamentary: 2014 2019 Political parties Autonomous Republic of Crimea (within Ukraine, 1991–2014) Constitution Presidential representative: Anton Korynevych President (defunct) Verkhovna Rada Chairman (suspended) Council of Ministers Prosecutor of the ARC elections Parliamentary: 1994 1998 2002 2006 2010 Presidential: 1994 Referendums: 1991 1994 2014
See also
Political status of Crimea Politics of Russia • Politics of Ukraine
Other countries

The Crimean status referendum of 2014 was a disputed referendum concerning the status of Crimea, held on March 16, 2014 in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the local government of Sevastopol (both subdivisions of Ukraine). The referendum was approved and held amidst Russia's annexation of Crimea.^[2][3] The referendum asked local populations whether they wanted to rejoin Russia as a federal subject, or if they wanted to restore the 1992 Crimean constitution and Crimea's status as a part of Ukraine. The official result from the Autonomous Republic of Crimea was a 97 percent vote for integration of the region into the Russian Federation with an 83 percent voter turnout, and within the local government of Sevastopol there was also a 97 percent vote for integration of the region into the Russian Federation with an 89 percent voter turnout.^[a]

The March 16 referendum's available choices did not include keeping the status quo of Crimea and Sevastopol as they were at the moment the referendum was held. The 1992 constitution accords greater powers to the Crimean parliament, including full sovereign powers to establish relations with other states; therefore, many Western and Ukrainian commentators argued that both provided referendum choices would result in de facto separation from Ukraine.^[4][5][6] The final date and ballot choices were set only ten days before the plebiscite was held. Before, during and after the plebiscite was proclaimed, the Crimean peninsula was host to Russian soldiers to manage and oversee public buildings and Ukrainian military installations.^[2]


Following the referendum, the State Council of Crimea and Sevastopol City Council declared the independence of the Republic of Crimea from Ukraine and requested to join the Russian Federation.^[7] On the same day, Russia recognized the Republic of Crimea as a sovereign state.<sup>[8][9][10]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_C...tus_referendum


You may wish to review these:</sup>
1991 Kosovan independence referendum

<sup>"An independence referendum was held in Kosovo, then known as the Socialist Autonomous Province of Kosovo. between 26 and 30 September 1991.

The dissolved Provincial Assembly had declared the Republic of Kosova a sovereign and independent state on 22 September 1991.[1]

Over 99% of voters voted in favour of independence, with a turnout of 87%.[2] The referendum was boycotted by Serbs living in the region, who comprised around 10% of the population.[2]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_K...nce_referendum</sup>
International recognition of Kosovo

"International recognition of Kosovo, since its declaration of independence from Serbia enacted on 17 February 2008, has been mixed, and international governments are divided on the issue.^[1][2] As of 4 September 2020, 97 out of 193 (50.26%) United Nations member states, 22 out of 27 (81.48%) European Union member states, 26 out of 30 (86.67%) NATO member states, and 31 out of 57 (54.39%) Organisation of Islamic Cooperation member states have recognised Kosovo. The government of Serbia does not recognise it as a sovereign state.^[3]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...tion_of_Kosovo

[David48atTD]

^ Sooooooooo. So, when you Google for "International recognition of Crimea" ... the page is blank.

Why ... because the International Community realise that Russia invaded it also.

Just a figment of Puffy Putin's mind

[Troy]

Ukraine was planning on invading the Donbas in March. We have undeniable evidence of this.

If Ukraine was going to invade Donbas with Nato weapons and help, why would it stop at the Russian border ? To Russia this was an invasion no different than Napoleon or Hitler. And this time Russia was going to strike first

I can never tell if you are being a troll or you are just a dickhead. I think you are probably both...
Skiddy the trolling dickhead....

[David48atTD]

From OhOh's very own link in his post ...

Legal aspects

Organizing and holding the referendum on Crimea's accession to Russia was illegal under the Constitution of Ukraine.^[80]

According to article 73 of the 1996 Constitution of Ukraine^[81] and article 3 of the 2012 Ukrainian law "On all-Ukrainian referendum", territorial changes can only be approved via a referendum where all the citizens of Ukraine are allowed to vote, including those that do not reside in Crimea.^[82]
The Central Election Commission of Ukraine also stated that there are no judicial possibilities, according to the legislation of Ukraine, to initiate such changes.

[David48atTD]

If David Attenborough did a spiel on Tanks

Quite dry presentation with sometimes, amazing footage.

Below is the Russian Tank Army (in 1990) of 63,000 tanks!

[OhOh]

Bollox, most of the right thinking world

Possibly the extremists have your ear.

Overwhelming support is it? Says who?

The citizens of the ....

[bsnub]

The citizens of the ....

Like just about everything you post that is just utter bullshit you pathetic lemming.