Ukraine war mega thread

[bsnub]

The real conspiracy theorists reckon that the US deliberately goaded Russia to war with repeated and deliberate provocations.

That is something that only a true imbecile would believe.

[David48atTD]

Can't confirm the veracity, but makes for some good War Porn.

[Cujo]

Can't confirm the veracity, but makes for some good War Porn.

Don't forget that each time one of those tanks blows up there's also some human beings in there. If they had any sense once the first couple got hit and they couldn't go anywhere they'd have abandoned their tanks and run orft into the fields to fight another day.

[Cujo]

That is something that only a true imbecile would believe.

Interestingly enough was having a beer with a German on Saturday night who espoused that very theory. Needless to say I laughed in his face and put him straight. He's not normally one to be set straight but somehow he seemed to get it.

[bsnub]

Analysis-Even with sanctions, Russia can afford to feed its war machine

Keep up with the cheerleading, you reprehensible twat.

[sabang]

Blame Reuters for the analysis, you lowbrow idiot.

[bsnub]

Interestingly enough was having a beer with a German on Saturday night who espoused that very theory. Needless to say I laughed in his face and put him straight. He's not normally one to be set straight but somehow he seemed to get it.

Sad to hear that a German would be so stupid, factoring past history and all. I am glad that you made him look the fool. Same I would do to Sabang at a TD piss up.

[bsnub]

Blame Reuters for the analysis, you lowbrow idiot.

It is not Reuters I take issue with, it is that you are cheerleading this war, and your posts are clear evidence of that. Every one of them is pro Mockba. You want Ukraine to be defeated, and you couldn't care less about the massive war crimes.

You are scum.

[sabang]

Go pollute the kiddies thread you childish dickhead.

[sabang]

You're not man enough for a TD pissup. Baby vomit stinks.



Ukraine Update #10
Paul Craig Roberts

No useful information about Ukraine can be obtained from Western media. The Russian military operates without the need of news releases, so little information is provided.

Last week Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said, “Of course they [Ukraine] can win this. The proof is literally in the outcomes that you’re seeing everyday.” Kirby must get his information from CNN. I don’t know of any battles the Ukrainians have won. I don’t know of any Ukrainian forces that are not surrounded and trapped, cut off from supplies. There are no offensive actions being conducted by Ukrainian military or Azov militia. Ukrainian military infrastructure and command and control systems have been destroyed. When the West delivers weapons, the weapons are destroyed on arrival as was the S-300 air defense system from Slovakia.

The Kremlin appointed a new commander of the operation, and the change in command has been presented by the Western media as an attempt to free Russian forces from a stalemate.

As there is no stalemate, the commander might have been replaced because of objection to the restricted use of Russian heavy weapons, which have mainly been restricted to the destruction of the Ukrainian military infrastructure. The Kremlin’s strategy means casualties among Russian troops who have to clear the surrounded areas in street fighting. Most generals don’t like this use of troops when heavy weapons can eliminate the opposing force.

It is necessary to understand that there has been no Russian invasion of Ukraine. Russian troops are operating only in eastern and southern Ukraine. The troops served the purpose of preventing a large Ukrainian army, now encircled and trapped, from conquering the two Donbass Russian republics recently recognized by Russia after an eight-year delay. The other task assigned to the Russian troops is to exterminate the neo-Nazi Azov militia that has committed atrocities against the Donbass Russians. The process has gone slowly, because the fighting is mainly in Donbass, which is populated by Russians, and the Kremlin wants to rescue the people, not kill them.

The mistakes the Kremlin made were eight years ago and in the eight years since. The Kremlin, focused on the Sochi Olympics, did not intervene and prevent Washington’s overthrow of the Ukrainian government. The Kremlin failed to pre-empt the crisis in Donbass when the Kremlin refused the Donbass appeal to be reincorporated in Russia like Crimea. The Kremlin, stupidly relying on negotiation with the West to enforce the Minsk Agreement to stop Ukraine’s attacks on Donbass, permitted eight years of Azov attacks on Donbass and erosion of Donbass territory, while Washington equipped and trained a Ukrainian army. In other words, the Kremlin had learned nothing from the Washington-organized attack on South Ossetia by Georgia in 2008.

Russia would rather the conflict end without having to destroy the trapped Ukrainian army and for this reason keeps negotiating with Washington’s puppet Zelensky who has no authority to agree to anything. As it is not usual for the victor to pursue negotiations, the Kremlin’s proclivity for negotiation makes Russian arms look weak, and this encourages the West to keep the conflict going.

I think the limited nature of the Russian intervention was a mistake. Nevertheless, if Russia can’t achieve its goal in the limited way chosen, the option remains for a wider attack.

I believe the main problem for Russia is that the government tries to be Goody Two Shoes in its dealings with Satan. I see the Kremlin has now backed off its plan to nationalize Western businesses, because it wants to show that Russia, unlike the West, respects private property. And despite Germany’s hostile actions against Russia, the Kremlin is still supplying Germany with energy in order to demonstrate, again, that Russia, unlike the West, adheres to contractual obligations. It is this kind of stupidity that can defeat Russia. The West doesn’t respond by saying, “Look how reliable the Russians are.” Instead it says, “Look how stupid the Russians are. We are doing everything possible to frustrate them in Ukraine, and in Slovakia, Finland, and Sweden, and are putting more troops and bases on their border, and they sell us the energy with which to do it.”

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https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2022/04/11/ukraine-update-10/

[HermantheGerman]

The real conspiracy theorists reckon that the US deliberately goaded Russia to war with repeated and deliberate provocations. Partly against the old enemy, Russia- and it's cozying up with China, which they hate, and partly to keep EU/ Nato under the thumb- including killing NS2. Also a hostile/ warring Ukraine is no conduit for the BRI- for which it is an otherwise ideal route.
You decide, but war it is and do you reckon it was/ is worth it? Ukraine is decimated, it's GDP down by around 45%. People are dying (but not "us"- it's a proxy war). And we are all gonna be poorer for it. In the 'global south', food insecurity and possible starvation beckon. It could easily have been avoided with "the simple application of common sense".

ACHTUNG!
Hey, no mentioning of Ukraine Nazis and the usual bla bla.
They all need to be killed now, or else we are gonna be poorer, food insecurity and possible starvations.

How is that BangBang?

[pickel]

The real conspiracy theorists reckon that the US deliberately goaded Russia to war with repeated and deliberate provocations.

I suppose Russia could have foiled their dastardly plan by not invading then?

[Backspin]

I suppose Russia could have foiled their dastardly plan by not invading then?

As the US sees it , it was win-win for either way. If Russia doesn't attack , they can keep building naval bases on the Black sea coast and keep doing bomber runs along the Ukraine Russia border.

And if Russia attacks , they can unleash the mother of all sanctions , cause a currency and banking crisis in Russia and bring down Putin. Turns out there was some big miscalculations on this part. Instead the Ruble is strong , Putins approval is at 83% and they find themselves in an economic war of attrition as inflation in their one countries hits 30 year highs.

[pickel]

Turns out there was some big miscalculations on this part. Instead the Ruble is strong , Putins approval is at 83% and they find themselves in an economic war of attrition as inflation in their one countries hits 30 year highs.

If it's an economic war of attrition, Russia is clearly losing. Their inflation rate is double that of the USA. The USA's was already rising pre invasion, while Russia's has nearly doubled since the invasion, and is rising at an exponential rate.

[helge]

Sad to hear that a German would be so stupid, factoring past history and all. I am glad that you made him look the fool. Same I would do to Sabang at a TD piss up.

TD is having a pissup in Seattle ???

In a basement ?


I'll be there

[OhOh]

Yuzivska gas field Ukraine

"The Yuzivska gas field is a Ukrainian natural gas field that was discovered in 2010. It was expected to begin production in 2017, but development was halted because of the outbreak of the 2014 war in the Donbas region.^[1]

The total proven reserves of the Yuzivska gas field are around 70.8 trillion cubic feet (2000×10⁹m³) and production is slated to be around 960 million cubic feet/day (27.4×10⁶m³). The total exploration investment is expected to range between 250 and 300 million US$. <sup>[2][3]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuzivska_gas_field</sup>

Some are suggesting a NaGastan politician's family member has some "interests" in the gas field, found on somebodies' laptop.

[pickel]

Some are suggesting a NaGastan politician's family member has some "interests" in the gas field, found on somebodies' laptop.

Tell us more about Putins daughters and their spouses.

[David48atTD]

Ukraine Update #10
Paul Craig Roberts

I believe the main problem for Russia is that the government tries to be Goody Two Shoes in its dealings with Satan.

I see the Kremlin has now backed off its plan to nationalize Western businesses, because it wants to show that Russia, unlike the West, respects private property.

And despite Germany’s hostile actions against Russia, the Kremlin is still supplying Germany with energy in order to demonstrate, again, that Russia, unlike the West, adheres to contractual obligations. Like when they demand payment in Roubles for their gas

It is this kind of stupidity that can defeat Russia. The West doesn’t respond by saying, “Look how reliable the Russians are.”
Instead it says, “Look how stupid the Russians are.

We are doing everything possible to frustrate them in Ukraine, and in Slovakia, Finland, and Sweden, and are putting more troops and bases on their border, and they sell us the energy with which to do it.”
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https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2022/04/11/ukraine-update-10/

Mate, did you read that ^ before posting?

because it wants to show that Russia, unlike the West, respects private property



A residential building destroyed by shelling in Borodyanka on March 3. (Reuters Photo)

[sabang]

Y'know, I've cottoned on to a commonality between some of these foreign policy realists I have been quoting, and mainly agreeing with. Reaganites! They all worked for the Reagan administration back in the day. They also hold the Biden administration, US foreign policy establishment, and indeed the trumptards in total contempt- which means they must have a brain in their head! They are also a dying breed, sigh. Consider-

Pat Buchanan (at 83, probably the youngest of the bunch)
PCR (as above) Asst US Treasury Secretary under Reagan
David Stockman, basically Reagans hatchet man when it came to slashing gov't waste
Jack Matlock, substantively the last US Ambassador to the Soviet Union, under Reagan

They are a lot less dangerous than the current bunch of cowboys, who pose a very real threat to world peace. I guess these people operated in an actual, not virtual world- where what was real was what actually happened on the ground, not in cyberspace.

[sabang]

A former U.S. ambassador to the Soviet Union during the Cold War said Monday he fears a world in which Russia is seen as a "pariah" nation.

Jack Matlock Jr., who served on Republican President Ronald Reagan's National Security Council and later as ambassador to the USSR until 1991, told CNN he's wary of completely exiling Moscow from the international community.

"To think that the world would benefit from making Russia—a nuclear power equivalent to the United States—a pariah I think does not really represent our interests in the future," Matlock said. "I fear a world of that sort."

Matlock's comments came after Russia drew international outrage this past weekend over reports of mass atrocities and was accused of committing brutal war crimes in Ukraine. Officials in the country said Russian troops massacred over 400 civilians when they withdrew from the Kyiv region this weekend. Graphic images that have circulated worldwide show corpses with their hands tied behind their backs, while dozens of bodies were found in yards, cars and alongside streets.

Matlock told CNN, "I was involved in negotiating the end of the Cold War. And we had the possibility then of establishing a situation in Europe of security for everybody. But we proceeded on a different course. I think it's time to return to diplomacy. Emotions can easily take over."

He added, "I share many of these emotions, but the idea that we can make a major nuclear-weapon state a pariah, that by our actions we actually are destroying those elements in that society that could bring a positive change in the future, I think that is not wise."

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Right on time.

[David48atTD]

A former U.S. ambassador to the Soviet Union during the Cold War said Monday he fears a world in which Russia is seen as a "pariah" nation.

A pariah state is a nation whose conduct is considered to be out of line with international norms of behavior by either the rest of the international community (such as the United Nations) WIKI

Russia did that to themselves.

Lets get Russia and North Korea together and the World can give a big hug and show just how much we love them

[sabang]

Na, lets just let a neighbouring shithole be destroyed instead- get them to die for us while we egg them on, arm them, and tell them how brave they are, and how much they are 'winning', and simultaneously watch our "great friends and allies" (snigger) in Europe slide into recession. Double whammy!

[bsnub]

Y'know, I've cottoned on to a commonality between some of these foreign policy realists I have been quoting, and mainly agreeing with.

They all said the war would never happen as well. A bunch of senile morons spewing nonsense.

[sabang]

They brought down the Berlin Wall and Communist USSR/ Warsaw pact snubby without a shot being fired- what have your heroes ever done? Oh that's right, the debacles in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Syria and now Ukraine. What a breath of fresh air.

They all said the war would never happen as well

Has it occurred to you that is because, under their watch, it never would have? I guess, like me, they underestimated the sheer idiocy and hubris of the biden administration. With 'friends' like slojoe & co, who needs enemies?

[Norton]

Has it occurred to you that is because, under their watch, it never would have?

Not so sure about that Sab. Reagan and his boys would more likely taken a completely different approach than Biden and his boys.

Given Reagan's thoughts on the Vietnam war likely Russia's invasion would have resulted in US military assets on the ground in the Ukraine.

Reagan was a firm advocate of if you go to war, it is all out not this half assed approach we have now.