Ukraine war mega thread

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Sabang:US doesn’t care
McCarthyism returns
US didn’t give in to stupid Russian demands
Where can I get my historic reverse cycle repaired

If you go back any further, you will probaby find that the US did not even exist, but they will probably get the blame for that too.

In case it had flown over your head, this dispute, which developed into Putin’s War, is between Russia and the Ukraine.

A whole bunch of countries seem to have realized that, and they have supported or applied serious sanctions. If you are hoping for a quick ending, you, like Putin, have misjudged the Ukrainian people and you will be sadly disappointed.

Blaming the US for your personal mistakes and lack of understanding,now has many people questioning your sanity.
Not me. I’m totally convinced that you are batshit crazy certifiable already.

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Russian DNR forces feeding 700+ Ukraine POW's.

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British citizen captured in Ukraine. Interview. He did the right thing and surrendered when the game was up. I'll give him that.

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The Russians conveniently pulled his hair over the scar on his forehead from a rifle butt, that was used to force him to say that shite. He's clearly under duress.

The guy in this one is clearly not under duress.

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The Russians conveniently pulled his hair over the scar on his forehead from a rifle butt, that was used to force him to say that shite. He's clearly under duress.

The guy in this one is clearly not under duress.

^ That clip is old and staged. The guy in it is SBU

The British guy is obviously under stress. He was just pulled out of a war zone.

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NATO has only mounted two concerted military operations since its inception : Bosnia/Serbia and Afghhanistan.

See any similarities between Kosovo/ Serbia and Donetsk/ Ukraine ?

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^ ah the bombing of Serbia. Where it isn't even a conspiracy that civilian infrastructure were the main targets

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As folk probably are aware, I pretty much hold the human condition in contempt not least because it prizes stupidity over most other determinants in the deductive process.

The NATO thing that Putin fanboys, and other idiots who wish to avoid decisions that may pose a risk to their wealth accumulation, use to justify Russia's hegemonic ambitions is of course utter nonsense. NATO is a defence treaty, membership of which does not compel a member state to subscribe to any dogma of another other than honouring the primary directive that " an attack on one is an an attack upon all ". It's formation arose out of the USSR's quest for world domination under its bankrupt communist regime.

NATO has only mounted two concerted military operations since its inception : Bosnia/Serbia and Afghhanistan.

Russia since 1994 has invaded Chechnya, Georgia, and now Ukraine but has also subverted Belarus and is in the process of undermining the 'stans and has threatened the Baltic states.

Convincing third world Russian cocksuckers and the usual sleazy Asian dross, that citing NATO as a hegemonic tool of aggression by the US is beyond stupidity, is bad enough but when western saps with their pointy heads up their arses start spouting the same nonsense then you know you are in trouble.

Putin has been peddling this propaganda for so fucking long it has now become an orthodoxy of its own and certainly when the West did nothing after his invasions culminating in the 2014 Crimea occupation, other than tepid sanctions, he reckoned UKR was his for the taking.

Poland should now release its surplus aircraft with the tacit support of NATO.

The only way to deal with Russia is by the use of crushing force, militarily and by economic means.

Kruschev got his arse kicked out after the Cuba thing, now Putin is going down as the failed tyrant who led Russia back to the days of commie bankruptcy.

Sabang is an idiot.

We will let this serve as the indicator of your credibility on all counts.

Georgia started war with Russia: EU-backed report | Reuters

Russia invaded it's own territory Chechnya.

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From your own link.

"Moscow’s military response went beyond reasonable limits and violated international law."

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Stage 2 of the war has begun

Russian Defense Ministry reports that in the morning, high-precision missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces delivered a strike on the 124th Joint Logistics Support Center of the Ukrainian troops’ Logistics Forces Command in the area of Lvov. "The logistics center and large consignments of foreign weapons that arrived in Ukraine over the past six days from the US and European countries were all destroyed,"

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/statu...FiJ6yVBbw&s=19

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Russia Broadcasts Video Of Captured 'Britons' Urging Boris Johnson To Negotiate Release

Moscow: Russian state TV broadcast a video Monday of what it described as "Britons" captured fighting for Ukraine demanding that Prime Minister Boris Johnson negotiate their release.
The two haggard-looking men identified as British nationals, Shaun Pinner and Aiden Aslin, asked to be exchanged for Viktor Medvedchuk, a wealthy Ukrainian businessman close to President Vladimir Putin, who was recently arrested in the pro-Western country.


The broadcast did not specify where or by whom -- Russian forces or Moscow's separatist allies in eastern Ukraine -- the two men were being held.


The recordings were presented as interviews with journalist Andrei Rudenko, of the Russian state broadcaster, VGTRK.


In the clip, Rudenko shows the two men a video published last week by Oksana Marchenko, Medvedchuk's wife, who demanded her husband's exchange for the two Britons.


The detainees then asked in English to be exchanged for the businessman.


Aslin's mother had appealed for his release in an interview with the British Daily Telegraph newspaper published on Friday.


The woman, Ang Wood, said that she had recognised her 28-year-old son from a Russian broadcast because of his distinctive tattoo.


"Aiden is a serving member of the Ukrainian armed forces, and as such is a prisoner of war and must be treated with humanity," Wood was quoted as saying by the newspaper.


In videos circulating on social media and carrying the logo of Kremlin-backed broadcaster RT, the young man appeared to imply that Ukraine is prolonging the conflict.


It was not clear whether the men had been forced to speak in the videos.


Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky had proposed to exchange Medvedchuk, 67, for Ukrainians currently being held in Russia.

Asked about a potential exchange last week, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov stressed that Medvedchuk was "not a Russian citizen" and said he did not know if he wanted Moscow to interfere in his case.

Russia Broadcasts Video Of Captured 'Britons' Urging Boris Johnson To Negotiate Release

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Collector's edition

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And on a serious note, the ship didn't sink on its way to port during rough seas, it sank due to hull damage in calm seas.

Moskva captain may have abandoned ship early, new images suggestJack Hardy

16:36, Apr 19 2022

The captain of Moskva, Russia’s sunk Black Sea Fleet flagship, may have abandoned it too early, experts have suggested, after new images of the stricken vessel emerged on Monday.
Hundreds of crew members are believed to remain unaccounted for after the ship was reportedly hit by Ukrainian missiles before sinking in the Black Sea last Thursday.
Russia has insisted that the damage to the ship was caused by an explosion of ammunition in an unexplained fire, which led it to sink while being towed in choppy seas.
New images and footage circulating online, which have not been officially verified, appear to show the Moskva on fire and apparently abandoned. Analysts have said that the damage visible to the hull contradicts Russia's version of events.




A thick column of black smoke can be seen rising from a charred and burning section of the Moskva, which is listing to port and has had its lifeboats deployed. Water hoses can also be seen spraying in the air, potentially from a nearby salvage vessel.
The continued buoyancy of the ship coupled with the absence of its 510 crew members on the upper decks potentially suggest that the captain may have left the ship too early.
Tom Sharpe, a retired commander in the Royal Navy who once helped save the UK’s ice patrol vessel during a flood, told the Telegraph that the ship appeared to have been abandoned too soon.
He said: “You will always see a team, normally on the flight deck. In this case, the flight deck would be a good place to gather your equipment and firefighting teams. You want to set up safe zones and that’s where you put all your firefighting equipment and all your people, so they’re in fresh air.”

“But there’s nobody there and if there is no one, there is almost no chance of anyone being alive below deck. It also suggests that everyone is off that ship,” Sharpe added.


John Konrad, an author who has captained civilian ships, wrote an analysis of the images which concluded that his “best guess” was that “the captain of the Moskva abandoned his ship too early”.
He pointed out that the flagship was crucial to the Russian war effort and that normally, the captain would be expected to stay on board to try to save the ship.
In this case, the ship appeared to have been abandoned despite the “calm weather, reserve buoyancy” and “the fact the helideck was smoke-free”, Konrad wrote.
Sharpe, however, said that there was too much uncertainty around the images to make this assertion with any certainty.
“You could just be unlucky”, he said.


Footage released by Russia’s defence ministry over the Easter weekend showed the ship’s crew back at their home base. However, the crew appeared to be at least one half of the 510 members believed to have been onboard.
It is also unclear when the footage was taken, raising the possibility that it may have been captured before the Moskva was attacked.
The damage to the Russian flagship appears to have mostly been done to the amidships part of the cruiser, far away from some of the boat's main ordinances.
The smoke billowing from portholes and the open helicopter hangar suggest significant internal fire damage, perhaps indicating possible loss of life.
It is not clear whether the helicopter had a chance to be deployed before the crew were either killed or evacuated.



The Telegraph

Moskva captain may have abandoned ship early, new images suggest | Stuff.co.nz

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The world has moved on. You and the guy in the video are stuck in the past.

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^^ So the Captain isn't dead? That's what they were saying yesterday!

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^^ So the Captain isn't dead? That's what they were saying yesterday!

Who are they? And why are you still in denial?

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You know full well several outlets were saying (or speculating) the Captain was dead- but if you don't, GIYF. Denial about what?

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So the Captain isn't dead?

"the news of my death is greatly exaggerated"

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The story of the Moskva just proves that Russia doesn't actually lie about these things. When the ship was lost the MOD said the ship was lost. The crew got off though.

All it proves is how vulnerable and dated big surface ships are in real combat. Military history is filled with these incidents.

The UK lost 6 ships in the Falklands in 1982. And it still made no difference to the outcome as everyone knew. The outcome is no different in this war. But brainwashed Anglo empire babies really believe that Ukraine can win.

The Russian military budget/PPP is 170 billion dollars or about the same as the UK , France and Germany combined. But hey. Keep being brainless.

All the media propaganda in the west and the military aid just ensures that more Ukrainians die. Nothing else

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Sorry, but only Putin insures that more Ukrainians will die. Ukrainians are the ones making their own decision not to bend over and spread their cheeks.



Fears Of A ‘New Kursk’ As Relatives Seek Missing Moskva Sailors

The parents of sailor Yegor Shkrebets spent Sunday afternoon searching for their son among 200 servicemen lying wounded in a naval hospital following last week’s sinking of Russia’s Black Sea flagship, the Moskva.


“We looked at every burned kid. I can't tell you how hard it was, but I couldn't find mine,” Irina Shkrebets told independent Russian news outlet The Insider.

Yegor Shkrebets, a 20-year-old conscript serving on the missile cruiser Moskva as a chef, has not been in touch with his family since the ship went down after apparently being hit by Ukrainian anti-ship Neptune cruise missiles.


Despite initial Kremlin claims a “full evacuation” of the vessel took place, there was growing evidence Monday that dozens, perhaps hundreds, were killed or injured in the incident.


The failure of military officials to provide information to relatives about the fate of the crew has led to comparisons to the sinking of the Kursk submarine in 2000, when 118 Russian sailors died in a naval exercise in the Barents Sea.


A total of 37 sailors died and 100 were wounded on the Moskva, the independent Meduza news website reported Monday, citing a source in Russia’s Black Sea fleet.


Dmitry Shkrebets, Yegor’s father, posted on social network VK on Monday that three families had been in touch with him about lost relatives on the Moskva.


"We were contacted by three families from Yalta, Alupka and St. Petersburg," Shkrebets wrote. "We need written answers to our questions about the location of our children.”


The relatives of several other missing sailors confirmed to journalists Monday that they could not contact sailors who were onboard the Moskva. Some of the missing men were conscripts, with just a few months military experience.


Yulia Tsyvova told the BBC Russian service that her son, 19-year-old conscript Andrei Tysov, was killed on the Moskva. And Meduza reported the death of Vitaly Begersky, a conscript from Russia’s Far East, citing the dead man’s aunt.

Contradicting the Ukrainian missile attack version, the Kremlin has maintained the Moskva suffered an onboard ammunition fire and sank in “choppy seas” as it was being towed to safety.


Video and photos emerged Sunday showing the first images of the stricken battleship.

Open-source intelligence analysts identified the ship in the images as the Moskva, with smoke billowing from a fire not far from the cruiser’s store of 16 P-1000 Vulkan missiles.


Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov responded to the images, saying Monday that officials had seen the footage but “cannot say how authentic and true it is.”


The photos of the Moskva are consistent with Ukrainian claims that two missiles struck the boat, according to Chris Parry, a former British navy officer.


“It seems that one or two missiles entered the ship just below the after pair of Vulcan anti-ship missiles,” Parry said in a tweet Tuesday.


A three-second clip that emerged Monday of the Moskva shows a tugboat from the Black Sea Fleet’s rescue squadron coming to the aid of the beleaguered battleship. The video quickly shuts off as a man nearby shouts “what the f*** are you doing?”


The Moskva is one of three elite, Soviet-made ships in the Russian fleet that are capable of carrying nuclear weapons. Each requires a crew of about 510 sailors.


Russian claims of an evacuation of the ship were consistent with the new images that showed the Moskva’s lifeboats were missing, and that no crew members were onboard.


Footage released Saturday by the Russian Defense Ministry showed senior naval officers meeting with the Moskva crew in the port city of Sevastapol. However, it was clear from the footage that not all the Moskva’s crew were present.

Fears Of A ‘New Kursk’ As Relatives Seek Missing Moskva Sailors - The Moscow Times

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^^ So the Captain isn't dead? That's what they were saying yesterday!

Who is they, as has been asked? If you have ebough time to type that answer you have enough time to

GIYF

The story of the Moskva just proves that Russia doesn't actually lie about these things.

You can't read, can you.

Try reading post 5767, just above