Ukraine war mega thread

[Cujo]

Russia’s war dead belie its slogan that no one is left behind

Soon after the invasion began, a hashtag war slogan popped up everywhere in Russia: “We don’t leave ours behind.” But many were.


In Irpin, on the outskirts of the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, two Russian soldiers killed in battle lay on a street corner, covered with a sheet of metal, legs poking out. A third lay a few feet away near a burned-out armored personnel carrier, a lower leg gnawed by dogs. A fourth lay further along the road, the victim of a mine.


In Moshchun, a once-idyllic hamlet northwest of Kyiv, another Russian soldier died badly inside a dimly lit kitchen, lying on a bench with a gruesome groin wound. Ten others were scattered about, several on the fringes of a forest.


While countless bodies have been abandoned on the battlefield, many more have found their way back to their families, but Russia’s overall death toll, though staggering, remains elusive. At home, the Kremlin has clamped down on news of military casualties, apparently wary of how a nation’s grief could turn volatile. In 2015, Putin signed a decree declaring all military deaths a state secret, and last year Russia criminalized statements discrediting the military.


MSN

My friend Maksym sent these he took himself, among others, with the comment "This is what I see when I go out for a walk." I'm guessing those bodies aren't getting sent home.
He comes from a small town. I hope he's safe.

[Cujo]

Cujo STILL doesn't get it. He STILL doesn't understand who these west Ukrainian people are.

How are the literal children of the 3rds Reich , with Nato backup and nuclear weapons NOT a threat to Russia ?

What a load of nonsense. It wasn't the 'nazis' it was Hitler that attacked Russia in WW2. If NAZI is an ideology, I've asked you numerous times to define it (in your own words, not links to nefarious websites) but you are unable to.
So shut the fuck up you moron.

[Cujo]

You are clueless. Russia said from day 1 that they weren't going to remove the govt in Kiev. Russia hasn't declared war on Ukraine, Ukraine hasn't declared war on Russia.

They sent units towards Kiev to prevent the resupply of the east while they encircled the east. Its very basic maneuver warfare doctrine. There are now 60-80,000 Ukraine troops completely encircled. Russia is slowly closing in on them now, offering as many of them a chance to surrender as they can. The ones who don't will have to be nihilated.

You're an idiot and I'm just sorry I cant 'nihilate' you.

[helge]

^^.....

[hallelujah]

My friend Maksym sent these he took himself, among others, with the comment "This is what I see when I go out for a walk." I'm guessing those bodies aren't getting sent home.
He comes from a small town. I hope he's safe.

Jesus Christ, cujo. You could have warned me before I scrolled to the first picture and saw the bloke brown bread with half of his face missing.

[hallelujah]

So you are still trying to insinuate that this war started by Russia was all deliberately "started" by America instead.

I have to say that since you started posting in this thread, your credibility in my eyes has dropped about as low as it can get. Because what you are insinuating is 1) based on conjecture 2) completely batshit crazy 3) about as wrong as a person could get.

Give it a rest. Russia started this war without provocation, and it is something that Putin had planned to do for a long time, and there is nothing the US could have done one way or other to stop it. This is a man who is hellbent to restore Russia to its Soviet days and a massive overreach by Putin who underestimated the combat effectiveness of his own army as well as the determination of the Ukrainian people.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to bsnub again.

[Cujo]

Jesus Christ, cujo. You could have warned me before I scrolled to the first picture and saw the bloke brown bread with half of his face missing.

Solly. No one warned Maksym when he went for a walk. Don't be such a pussy.

[sabang]

The U.S. and NATO Helped Trigger the Ukraine War. It's Not 'Siding With Putin' to Admit It | Opinion

TED GALEN CARPENTER , SENIOR FELLOW, DEFENSE AND FOREIGN POLICY STUDIES, CATO INSTITUTE
ON 3/7/22 AT 1:28 PM EST

The U.S. and NATO Helped Trigger the Ukraine War. It's Not 'Siding With Putin' to Admit It | Opinion


Read it if ya want. It's from Newsweek, not RT.

[hallelujah]

I have no bloody idea mate. But that's what they have said, as reported in the Grauniad, duly copied in the News thread.

Let me help you then.

If a Russian government spokesperson is moving their lips, they're lying.

[sabang]

Let me offer you a favor in return- what you have just written is 'Opinion'. Not News.

[hallelujah]

Let me offer you a favor in return- what you have just written is 'Opinion'. Not News.

Fortunately, that's something you could never be accused of doing.

"Kidnapped". Not evacuated for their own safety? I mean, how does it aid the war effort to 'kidnap' 2389 children? Sounds like cheap propaganda to me.

I would have actually guessed more than that. Russophobia is huge over there.

Imagine being a twat on a regular basis on these threads, with almost as little credibility as OhOh and backspit, and being hoist by your own petard on the back of such behaviour?

Have a glass of plonk and post some more apologist shite.

[sabang]

H'mmm and what is your 'Opinion' on comments coming from the 120,000 strong Greek community of Mariupol that it was the Azov assholes trying to prevent people from evacuating- not the Russian soldiers. After all, they stood to benefit from the human shields.

[hallelujah]

H'mmm and what is your 'Opinion' on comments coming from the 120,000 strong Greek community of Mariupol that it was the Azov assholes trying to prevent people from evacuating- not the Russian soldiers. After all, they stood to benefit from the human shields.

Are you, err, asking for an opinion on an "opinion" in a news thread?

Your halo has well and truly been lost, hasn't it?

[sabang]

No, I am waiting for a Mod to turn up and move this to the Ukraine kiddies megathread. Please respect the forum rules and go piss there- this is the News thread.

[hallelujah]

. Please respect the forum rules and go piss there- this is the News thread.

You've been trashing the rules since the very start of the thread with your apologies for Russian murder and have done so as recently as post 820 when I challenged you.

Clearly, you've lost your brain as well as your moral compass. Don't expect the mods to tidy up and protect you when you get called out on your repulsive behaviour.

Well done, mods. Sabang can be allowed to post his bullshit and you will pander to his wishes when he is challenged on it.

[sabang]

At least you are pissing in the kiddies pond now. Carry on.

[hallelujah]

At least you are pissing in the kiddies pond now. Carry on.

Your friends in high places don't detract from what you've been doing. Nobody with a brain is fooled when you're shitting all over the forum.

[hallelujah]

You mean this one, Bonehead? It's already here.

I was reading that support for Putin's invasion of Ukraine and the massacre of innocent Ukrainian civilians could (or is) be deemed a criminal offence in Germany.

Edit, here it is: Germans Could Face Jail Time for Publicly Supporting Russia's Ukraine War

Yet here we are on Teakdoor with you and your fellow fuckwits allowed to roam free and shit all over the forum with your heinous propaganda in defence of murderous dictators.

Good work, mods.

[sabang]

It seems China is more free than Germany then in this regard-


90 percent of Chinese netizens believe the US is a bully in Ukraine crisis, coercive toward China: survey




Almost 90 percent of Chinese netizens believe the US is a hegemon and bully in the Ukraine issue, according to a latest survey conducted by the official Weibo account of Huanqiu.com.

On March 30, Huanqiu's Weibo account launched a series of surveys asking netizens questions like "what's the role of the US in the Ukraine issue," "how to view the US threat of sanctioning China," and what they think of the "US Indo-Pacific Strategy."

Among the 12,000 responses received by Thursday, 89.2 percent of respondents believe the US is a hegemon and bully in the Ukraine issue. Only 5.6 percent, or 672 people, think the US is fair and just, while 5.2 percent said they are not sure.

During this crisis, the US and NATO, which hold the key to resolving the conflict, have not only failed to take practical actions to ease the situation, but instead further intensified the conflict by threatening to impose sanctions on China.

Among the 7,347 surveyed, 92.2 percent believe the US' threat of sanctioning China is a bullying and coercive behavior that cannot conceal its real intention. Only 4.2 percent believe the US aims at ending the war and promoting peace, and 3.6 percent said it is not clear.

In February, the White House released the Indo-Pacific Strategy, which attracted the attention of the international community. The US is vainly trying to build closer partnership with its allies in the Indo-Pacific region, and continues to incite China-related agendas on issues such as the South China Sea. The outdated Cold War zero-sum mentality and arrogant attitude of "America First" embedded in the strategy has made regional countries wary.

People were also asked whether they think the US' Indo-Pacific Strategy is an Indo-Pacific version of NATO. Among the 5,856 people surveyed, 5,207 or 89 percent said "yes," a minor 6.2 percent said "no" while 4.8 percent said it is not clear.

Some netizens commented under the survey, "The US is the only country among major powers which doesn't want peaceful negotiations between Russia and Ukraine." Others said, "The US has not achieved its goal for triggering the war, and it is bound to add fuel to the fire."

"Any excuse will serve a tyrant. The US tries to hide its shamelessness by exploiting public opinion to sanction China," a Weibo user commented. Another netizen reminded the others to "Look at the map. The thousands of military bases and biolabs set up by the US-led NATO have besieged China and Russia." Some said, "If NATO targets Russia, then the target of the Indo-Pacific Strategy is China."

China's Foreign Ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin said on March 28 that China maintains that sanctions are not fundamentally effective ways to solve problems, noting China stands firmly against unilateral sanctions and long-arm jurisdiction with no basis in international law and no mandate of the UN Security Council. This is China's consistent position in both open and closed-door meetings. History shows that instead of solving problems, sanctions create new problems, he said.

90 percent of Chinese netizens believe the US is a bully in Ukraine crisis, coercive toward China: survey - Global Times

[Backspin]

In my paranoid opinion , since there was ample warning from responsible agencies the if you continue to do X Russia will do Y and they continued to do " X" it might have been by design unless one believes that Ukraine was so strategically important to the west that the threat of a Russian invasion was worth the risk. And I believe along with many other experts that indeed it was by design to divert attention from American economic problems, and maintain the profitability of the military industrial complex.
I might be wrong , but even paranoids have real enemies
Good book to read on the subject by the great historical writer Gore Vidal .
Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace: How We Got to Be So Hated
A bit dated but still relevant.

In the eyes of the US it was a win win. If they continued with the status quo, the US and NATO get naval bases on the Black sea coast, air bases all over Ukraine and their bio labs dotted along the border.

And if Russia attacks , they get the opportunity to level nuclear sanctions on Russia to cause a currency collapse and bank run which would lead to regime change in Russia.

Russia attacked so they did the sanctions. But it turns out their assessment of the Russian economy was totally wrong. The Ruble is higher now than before the war started. And Putins approval rating is 83% and rising. AND no countries outside the US EU S.korea and Japan , have sanctioned Russia at all. Not China , not India , not Brazil , not Turkey or any of them.

So now they are stuck in this economic war of attrition with the world economy hanging in the balance. Instead of wising up to the new realities , they keep doing more of the same.

[helge]

^SYRIZA leader Alexis Tsipras posted on Twitter:
“The speech of members of the neo-Nazi Order Azov in the Greek Parliament is a provocation.
The absolute responsibility lies with the Prime Minister.
He talked about a historic day but it is a historical shame.
Solidarity with the Ukrainian people is given.
But the Nazis can not have a say in Parliament.”


Oh dear

[pickel]

You are supporting this odious west Ukrainian partisan regime.

Why do you keep calling them West Ukrainian? Azov was based in Mariupol.

And you still didn't answer my question about lineage to Nazi's.

[hallelujah]

Misskit keeps deleting my posts - and I know why along with the reds we have sent each other (she didn't like my Covid posts).

Maybe Cy was right when he had his tirade about her.

[helge]

Misskit keeps deleting my posts

A couple of things:

You are not alone

I've had several posts deleted; non offensive in my opinion and answers to other posters.

Can't be bothered to post much anymore.





However: I found several of your posts today over the line and would have, if being a mod, deleted them myself.


I suspect, that you posted drunk, and almost answered you

Glad that I didn't bother

[hallelujah]

Maybe a bit young'ish posting at times, but otherwise ok

In truth, I think the same, funnily enough, if you substitute young for old.

Let's just call it clash of the ages (and viewpoints) and leave it there.