Ukraine war mega thread

[sabang]

Russia does not seek to annex Ukraine. A partition appears most likely though.

[Troy]

Dont think anyone did assume that. But when Bucky apportions blame on both sides for the invasion then that is being n apologist.

The very simple fact is no one but Putin is responsible for the invasion. The murder of innocents is on him. Maybe it was because of his fears about NATO, a naked land grab, shoring up domestic support, oil, historical dreams of the USSR, clearing out Nazis: all interesting to discuss but No one but Putin is responsible for the invasion and no one but Putin is responsible for prolonging the invasion.

I didn't get the impression that BB was apportioning blame in equal measure, nor did I think he was justifying the invasion. However, he would be the best person to reply.

Personally, I see no justification for taking Crimea, the Donbas, or the invasion. However, it's happened and Putin has his reasons. Without understanding those reasons there is very little chance of compromise and an end to the war. A war that could still escalate.

It's clear that Zelensky is not on Putin's Christmas list. The banning of the Russian language, used by 30% of the population, the banning of Russian media, the arrest of pro Russian figures did not improve relations. I realise these were not all carried out while he was in office but he didn't revoke them. The attempt to modify the Minsk Agreement was also not helpful and cutting off the water to Crimea was costing Russia a whole load of money.

Unfortunately, Skiddy is so polarised in his posts that valid points are just ignored. For example, two ports on the Black Sea have been modified to accept Nato warships and they were funded by US money. Nato access to ports in the Black Sea can be seen as very threatening to Russia. It has already led to at least two diplomatic incidents.

It's too easy to just state someone is 100% right or 100% wrong. In reality life doesn't work that way.

[Norton]

Are you seeing much of it in the media narrative now?

Absolutely.

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[Backspin]

That time Russia and Nato almost came to blows in 1999

[harrybarracuda]

Russia does not seek to annex Ukraine. A partition appears most likely though.

Oh shut up you fucking twat.

Stealing territory from a sovereign nation is annexation.

[harrybarracuda]

Skiddy is so polarised in his posts

"polarised"? He hasn't got a fucking clue what he's on about most of the time.

[sabang]

Stealing territory from a sovereign nation is annexation.

Tell the Mexicans that bonehead.

[kingwilly]

Tell the Mexicans that bonehead.

Whataboutism.

[OhOh]

Whataboutism.

The SPLLATERING never stops. Dead men, women and children, lives extinguished by war, starvation, theft ....

Tell that tote indigenous american indians.
The that to the indigenous Philippine peoples.
Tell that to the Japanese.
Tell that to the Koreans.
Tell that to Vietnamese
Tell that to the Palestinian citizens
Tell that to the Syrians.
Tell that to the Iranians.
Tell that to the Libyans.
Tell that to the Afghanis
....

[Shutree]

Tell the indigenous american indians.
The indigenous Philippine peoples.
Tell that to the Japanese.
Tell that to the Koreans.
Tell that to Vietnamese
Tell that to the Palestinian citizens
Tell that to the Syrians.
Tell that to the Iranians.
Tell that to the Libyans.
Tell that to the Afghanis
....

You omitted to mention

the Uyghurs

the Tibetans.

[pickel]

The SPLLATERING never stops. Dead men, women and children, lives extinguished by war, starvation, theft ....

Tell that tote indigenous american indians.
The that to the indigenous Philippine peoples.
Tell that to the Japanese.
Tell that to the Koreans.
Tell that to Vietnamese
Tell that to the Palestinian citizens
Tell that to the Syrians.
Tell that to the Iranians.
Tell that to the Libyans.
Tell that to the Afghanis
....

None of those hold a flame to the 50 million plus dead during Mao's years. And the chinkies did it to their own, the sick fucks.

[panama hat]

You know that it is also important when looking at a map to understand what you are looking at , and the context of the conversation.

Hence the map.

The question was , " why Russia did not invade Latvia and Estonia joined NATO" and I offered several reasons that you chose to ignore , one of them being the geographical location of those countries, that in your infinite wisdom chose to show me a map of them

I ignored nothing, rather highlighted the geographical importance of the Baltic states as per the discussion on strategic value.

If you look at that map you will see that strategically, any NATO invasion of Russia from that area will first have to go through Lithuania

Umm . . . NATO soldiers are stationed in Lithuania. Something that may have escaped you.

Trust me when I tell you, The only way that the Russians and Putin would allow NATO into UKRAIN wiuld be over his dead body.

You speak for all 150 million Russians, so you'll forgive me if I don't trust you. As for Putin's dead body - excellent choice.

As an American you fail ti understand that no-one in Europe wants to start a war with Russia. No one. Russia is feared by most, hence the defensive alliance called NATO. Western nations are far wealthier and advanced than the Russian backward sloth.

Why do you think so many ex-Warsaw Pact countries joined NATO? To attack Russia?

Jaysus . . .

All these Ukrainians and Russians dying are colateral damage, in this macabre geopolitical game and some of you guys are cheering it on .

Nope, Russia's armed forces killing tens of thousands of Ukrainians are not collateral damage . . . they are being murdered and supported by apologists like you.

Turkey is the ever-present shadow over Greece, to be stepped on when the time comes - you can just pray that NATO is there to help the whiny tax-dodgers.

[bsnub]

Whataboutism.

It is his specialty. It is all he has.

None of those hold a flame to the 50 million plus dead during Mao's years. And the chinkies did it to their own, the sick fucks.

Or the twenty million that died under Stalin.

[NamPikToot]

None of those hold a flame to the 50 million plus dead during Mao's years. And the chinkies did it to their own, the sick fucks.

yep but all for the greater good obviously, makes Stalin look like an amateur.

[David48atTD]

Ukraine's president has addressed federal parliament warning that Australia isn't immune from the fallout of the Russian invasion.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy asks for Australian Bushmaster armoured vehicles

[Shutree]

Volodymyr Zelenskyy asks for Australian Bushmaster armoured vehicles

Can I ask for one too? Perfect for the rush hour in Udon Thani.

[harrybarracuda]

Can I ask for one too? Perfect for the rush hour in Udon Thani.

That would be handy for Songkran if they hadn't banned the splashing.

[sabang]

Well Zelensky has one thing in common with the blue suede shoes in the Israeli government. He's a prolific beggar.

[Shutree]

One of life's lessons. If you don't ask, you don't get.

[David48atTD]

^ True

He's a prolific beggar.

I think 'lobbyist' is the correct term

... and good luck to him.

F*CK PUTIN

[Shutree]

... and good luck to him.

Indeed. It is a level playing field, nothing to stop Putin phoning around and asking for a few attack helicopters. Start with Boris, I'm sure he'd have some choice words of encouragement.

[bsnub]

Indeed. It is a level playing field, nothing to stop Putin phoning around and asking for a few attack helicopters.

I am sure that Putin would not refuse a few donated attack helicopters, since the Ukrainians have been shooting so many of them down.

[sabang]

You can always rent an AirBnB in Kiev if you wanna help with the good cause fellas. Of course it is assumed you will never actually go there. I wonder how many scammers are making out like bandits on that one.

[Shutree]

You can always rent an AirBnB in Kiev if you wanna help with the good cause fellas. Of course it is assumed you will never actually go there. I wonder how many scammers are making out like bandits on that one.

Doubtless there are scammers who will take the proverbial p.
I thought the original idea was rather creative.

[Switch]

Tell the Mexicans that bonehead.

This WAR has nothing to do with Mexico.

Whichever way you want to paint it or describe it, declaring separate republics inside Ukraine is annexation. Putin insists on it because it makes a nice buffer zone between Russia and Ukraine. It’s annexation.