Ukraine war mega thread

[bsnub]

Snubbie, any country with thousands of nukes is a threat. Especially when things don't go according to plan.

Yes, that is the one threat they pose, but the war in Ukraine has exposed them as not a conventional threat to NATO.

[sabang]

The discourse that matters is between Putin and Zelensky. Putin has put Z on ignore for now, because he realised he is just stalling for time while trying to get more arms in. He does that. Pretty much stonewalled the US too, and announced that Russia now looks east. He ain't playing your game at all, and you've got to pay for his gas in rubles now Europe. Mean Mr. Putin.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

The truth of the mater is that the west was warned by very credible sources, (please google HtG @ Teakdoor))

Don't trust the Kremlin!

Do you have a brain? Can you think for yourself? Let's play a little game and see how dumb you are:

How many kilometers of borders does Russia have?
How many kilometers of borders does Russia share with NATO? (must be a tough one for you )

Provoke?!?

The second part of the test we will continue tomorrow.

Here we go again. If you cant attack the message attack the messenger. , I will not play that game, and speculate about your mental acuity ,
No need for games . your reply made it abundantly clear who is dumb, and the extend of such condition.
Just because you cant trust some one, does it mean that you should not take heed of warnings and act accordingly?
As to how many miles of boarder Russia has and how many of them are with NATO?
Really? are you serries?
If I might be as presumptuous as to give a genius like you advice, If you are going to come to a gun fight , at least bring a slingshot.
Cant wait for the second part. LOL

[Switch]

While the Russian strategy announcement could be smoke and mirrors, it makes sense that Putin might wish to save face and declare a win in the Donbas region.
It is a smaller, and theoretically easier task to take, re-supply, and control. This might even improve the morale and performance of his battered military.

Worth mentioning that this strategy puts the onus on Ukraine military to be more mobile in their attempts to thwart the dictator. Previously the Russians have had to make all the moves and choices of a widespread battle for ground. By reducing their target area, Putin is also making it easier for his troops to operate closer to home soil and the necessary re-supply
There is also a better justification for Russian involvement in the protection of ethnic Russian interests.
If the scale of war proves difficult to maintain, simply reduce the footprint of the battle area. That is the only way Putin might salvage anything from this preposterous invasion.

While this move would make sound tactics for Putin, he has never been especially sound in his decision making processes. On the face of it, this could remove the need for him to resort to the nuclear option, but withdrawal of his forces from the stubborn areas where his army has failed, could present him with an opportunity for revenge, using long range nuclear weapons to destroy his bette noir with impunity.
Withdrawal of Russian forces to the east also puts greater onus on Zelensky to cede ground in favour of peace.

Smoke and mirrors it may be, but it’s a smart move. That is something that has been in short supply from Putin.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

So Greece was wrong to resist the Italians in October 1940? And the Germans in 1941?

Ok.


got it



Arrivederci

A very strange reply , since I never advocated that Ukraine should not defend it's self.
As to your totally irrelevant question .
No not at all , The conditions concerning WW2 and Greece's involvement in it ,was a totally different situation and as such it's situation different.

[Stumpy]

It seems that those on either side of this debate have staked out a position and will say anything to defend it. They are all frantically searching for articles that will confirm their bias. All shouting epithets at each other,
while disregarding anything that contradicts their position.

It's for those exact reasons I do not engage in political debates. It was the same crap about that lunatic Trump and still is.

[kingwilly]

since I never advocated that Ukraine should not defend it's self.

When you say both are equally at fault, what do you mean then?

Ukraine would not be defending itself, if Russia had not, and is not invading.

The conditions concerning WW2 and Greece's involvement in it ,was a totally different situation and as such it's situation different.

You've reached Skiddy/Ohwoe levels of retard.

[Joe 90]

Putin is digging in for the long haul.
Push on Ukraine...

[Backspin]

Special military operation (Ukraine hasn't declared war on Russia and vise versa) week 5 update. What's really happening.

[bsnub]

Smoke and mirrors it may be, but it’s a smart move.

It is a move of desperation as Russia has taken a pounding on almost all fronts, especially around Kyiv. They did not have much choice.

[bsnub]

What's really happening.

[Backspin]

The west is so confident in the information war that they banned RT from youtube. That way you cant see whats really going on. Just the narrative that they are fabricating.

[Backspin]

What's really going on in Ukraine with former UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter

"The only thing Russia is failing at is the propaganda aspect"

[kingwilly]

Special military operation (Ukraine hasn't declared war on Russia and vise versa)

[sabang]

Last I heard, about 20% Of Russian military in Ukraine. Possibly more now- but where are they gonna go for RnR? Tour of Duty and all that. Must be some party town emerging, some slavic saigon?

[panama hat]

So Greece was wrong to resist the Italians in October 1940? And the Germans in 1941?

Of course, one must always bow to tyrants . . . or bend over, which is where the Greeks come into it

When you say both are equally at fault, what do you mean then?

Ukraine would not be defending itself, if Russia had not, and is not invading.

Yea, that part doesn't make any sense

but pricing it's gas exports in rubles was a masterstroke

You're as much of an idiot as he is then.

[Switch]

^^Unlikely to be true, and certainly not amusing as you constantly seem to believe!

[qwerty]

ANDREW ANGLIN • MARCH 24, 2022


Unfortunately, the sanctions the US put on Russia do not appear to be harming Russia at all, even as they are furthering the destruction of the economy of the West, and setting the stage for a collapse of the dollar as reserve currency.
Russia has just announced that if Europe wants its oil, they’re going to have to pay in rubles. This will heavily reenforce the ruble, of course. Presumably, it will make up for most or all of the damage that the sanctions have caused.

RT:

Russia will now accept payment for gas exports to “unfriendly countries” in rubles only, President Vladimir Putin said at a meeting with the government on Wednesday.
The president explained that Russia plans to abandon all “compromised” currencies in payment settlements. He added that illegitimate decisions by a number of Western countries to freeze Russia’s assets destroyed all confidence in their currencies.
“I have decided to implement in the shortest possible time a set of measures to change the payments for – yes let’s start with this – for our natural gas supplied to the so-called unfriendly countries in Russian rubles, that is to stop using all compromised currencies for transactions,” the Russian president said.
“It doesn’t make sense to deliver our goods to the EU and the US and get paid in dollars and euros,” he added.

For those who don’t know the details: it is impossible for Europe to shut off Russian gas any time soon. They will literally freeze to death, or have to figure out some kind of wooden steam system.
People were saying Russian might just shut off the gas and let Europe deal with the situation, but this is much better.
The ruble bottomed out on March 7, and has been largely recovering. It’s only down 13% over the month of war.





If you consider that Russia is currently under the most severe economic sanctions in history by the most powerful economic entity in history – it’s not looking too bad.
That 13% isn’t going to affect anyone’s life in Russia, it only affects international trade. Not a big deal. No one in Russia is suffering from this, unless you consider being denied PornHub, Netflix, and McDonald’s as “suffering.”
This ultimatum to Europe will give it its 13% back.
Meanwhile, the Russian stock market, which was closed on the day of the incursion into the Ukraine, was reopened and is doing fine.

RT:

Russia’s stocks continued to rise sharply on Thursday as the Moscow Exchange reopened for limited trading this week, after suspending most of its transactions on February 28.
The ruble-based MOEX benchmark went up more than 11% to 2,743 points. The dollar-denominated RTS index of leading Russian stocks was down slightly, to 888.59 points.
The Moscow Exchange resumed trading in 33 Russian equities, including shares of Gazprom, Sberbank, Aeroflot, and other domestic firms. Oil majors Rosneft and Lukoil were both up by 20% and 16%, respectively. Aluminum company Rusal rose more than 14%, while Norilsk Nickel jumped more than 22%.


This is all happening very quickly.
It’s hard to keep up with.
But the US has effectively committed a very public suicide in the name of a bizarre moral signaling campaign about how they are very good people and so oppose the very bad Russians.


It now looks to me as though this thing was planned over a very long period of time. Since the Maidan, Russia, presumably working with China, has set a trap for the United States in the Ukraine. They knew that after the revolution, the West wouldn’t be able to help itself, and would move NATO forces into the country, and NATOize the country, and so they planned the response – and understood the US response.
There had to be an invasion, because they had to get the US to act in this deranged way, which is the result of both unfathomable hubris and the general degrading of the culture into a state of nonstop moral panic.

The US has already lost.

Putin has demonstrated hypersonic missiles in the Ukraine. These cannot be shot down by any of NATO’s missile defense systems, meaning if NATO tries to attack Russia conventionally, Russia can strike targets across Western Europe. Moreover, there is just no way to invade Russia.
The only remaining options are to back off or start a nuclear war.
It is looking like they will do some kind of chemical attack false flag hoax in the Ukraine, but I don’t even understand what purpose that serves. The only people who will believe that are the “international Community,” which America is already dragging down to hell with them.




There are other theories. Alex Jones and others are saying that Western intelligence is planning to assassinate Joe Biden and blame Russia. That seems a bit outlandish, but I guess you never know. Still, I don’t really see what purpose that would serve. Russia can just say they didn’t do it. Then what changes?

The wheel is already turning.

The jig is up.

How Are Those Sanctions Working Out, Guys?, by Andrew Anglin - The Unz Review


Salacious stuff. Not everyone is buying the Biden schmaltz.

I find it interesting that the far-right in the US strongly supports Putin and the Russians. Here is a link to the original source for the article listed above:

https://dailystormer.name/how-are-those-sanctions-working-out-guys/

[qwerty]

In case you don't know what the Daily Stormer is, here is a screen capture showing what is next to that article:


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[aging one]

Last I heard, about 20% Of Russian military in Ukraine. Possibly more now- but where are they gonna go for RnR? Tour of Duty and all that. Must be some party town emerging, some slavic saigon?

Give me a break. Women children and the elderly are dying right left and center on top of the soldiers and volunteers on both sides and you are making jokes. What a crappy attempt at humor.

[Backspin]

First Western Journalist (Patrick Lancaster) In Russia & DPR Controlled Mariupol. Mariupol is the HQ of the Azov battalion.

[pickel]

Patrick Lancaster

He's asking for donations on Twitter. And not for a charity.

[David48atTD]

I've visited the majority of these sites ... stunning, some of them.

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These are some of the historical sites at risk in Kyiv



When Vladimir Putin's forces last approached a capital city, they leveled it.

As the invasion of Ukraine enters its second month, Russian forces are digging in on the outskirts of Kyiv -- and there are fears they could be preparing for the same indiscriminate scorched-earth tactic used in the Chechen capital of Grozny in 1999.

Kyiv is one of its many jewels -- a city more than 1,500 years old, a once-bustling capital of 2.8 million people, and home to irreplaceable international treasures, including architectural landmarks and cultural monuments.



St. Sophia Cathedral

Topped by sparkling golden domes, St. Sophia Cathedral sits in the center of Kyiv, drawing visitors to its brilliantly colorful mosaics and frescos of various saints and angels. Built in the 11th century, it reflects the architecture of that time period, and the interior art remains preserved until today.

The structure's magnificence lies in its preservation of gold and glass mosaics on the interior -- one of the few from the 11th century, Pevny said. Local builders and Byzantine masters worked together in constructing it.



For those interested, the rest are here ... These are some of the historical sites at risk in Kyiv - CNN Style

[bsnub]

He's asking for donations on Twitter. And not for a charity.

He is a Kremlin propagandist and is known to stage his videos. Total fraud.

[HermantheGerman]

Give me a break. Women children and the elderly are dying right left and center on top of the soldiers and volunteers on both sides and you are making jokes. What a crappy attempt at humor.

Amazing ain't it. He has left planet earth for good.