Ukraine war mega thread

[NamPikToot]

But not Zelensky, obviously- I mean the fact that he is blathering away on TikTok

He's not the one bombing Ukraine and simultaneously denying he's doing it and the one who its obvious is looking for some epitaph before he dies.

[Norton]

Oh, if the war continues for long you can be sure that figure will soon be dwarved. I'm hoping for rationality and a peace deal. The Ukrainian people have been cynically used as pawns as far as I'm concerned.

Going to get much worse. Ukranians are not going to "surrender". Flow of weapons from NATO countries will increase. Followed by "advisors" from the west which at some point come in direct combat with Russians.

Putin can't give up either even though he has already lost. There will be no diplomatic solution even though Ukraine has said they will not seek NATO membership. Given this was Putin's biggest issue it is clear he has no intention to leave.

[NamPikToot]

Followed by "advisors" from the west which at some point come in direct combat with Russians.

They are already there and have been from before the start, over 2 years ago.

[kingwilly]

^^ On the contrary mike- quite glad. I have the time you see, being retired, self sufficient, and with no real intention of working again. I also have the interest and intellectual curiosity (keeps the mind ticking over, and I don't like gardening)- but I do realise this is a luxury the vast majority of people do not possess. So about all you will typically be exposed to is the 'approved narrative'- yep, just like them over there. Sab is glad to be a disrupter actually. You might call it my hobby.

You are so deluded.

[sabang]

accused Russia of planning a fake referendum

Oh, like the one in Crimea?

TBH, one way to bring this war/invasion to a fairly quick halt is via partition. This can even be done in the absence of a formal peace deal with UKR. If Ukraine then continues the hostilities so be it- and it becomes a border war as opposed to the de facto invasion that is happening now. Unlike many here, I cannot see into Vlads inner psyche and thus do not know what his true intentions really are.

[bsnub]

If Ukraine then continues the hostilities so be it

[Norton]

They are already there and have been from before the start, over 2 years ago.

Ok, more advisors then.

[baldrick]

A majority of human beings in the world do not condemn Russia's special military operation in Ukraine.

you spanking waniel

it is likely that the majority of the humans on this planet are not aware of the aging dictator for life of a decrepit country using tanks and bombs to subjugate a neighboring democracy

I am sure that if they could afford internet and television they would be horrified at the indiscriminate killing of non combatants

[sabang]

The US is certainly a bit miffed about the amount of nations that abstained though, including some choice ones like India, Brazil and Israel. Fading hegemony? Well, of course.

[misskit]

Putin accused of ‘insane delirium’ over claim Ukraine trying to spread biological weapons via migratory birds and insects

‘Russia does not give a monkey’s about safety of its own citizens, including thousands of decomposing bodies of its soldiers’


Vladimir Putin has been accused of “insane delirium” over claims Ukraine is seeking to spread biological weapons via migratory birds and insects.


Speaking at at a meeting of the United Nations Security Council in New York, Russian representative Vasily Nebenzya said Moscow had evidence there were at least 30 laboratories in Ukraine where work on biological weapons was being conducted.


He said the alleged programmes looked at spreading diseases through using birds, avian flu, bats and even insects.

“We call upon you to think about a very real biological danger to the people in European countries, which can result from an uncontrolled spread of bio agents from Ukraine,” Mr Nebenzya said.

“And if there is a such a scenario then all Europe will be covered.”


He added: “The risk of this is very real given the interests of the radical nationalist groups in Ukraine are showing towards the work with dangerous pathogens conducted together with the ministry of defence of the United States.”


The Russian’s claims were widely dismissed by other nations attending the meeting, but most powerfully by the representative of Ukraine, Sergiy Kyslytsya.


“By calling this meeting, the aggressor state has shot itself in the foot once again,” he said.


He said Russia “does not give a monkey’s about the safety of its own citizens, including thousands of decomposing bodies of its soldiers”.


He said Ukraine ran a health care system that was “in full compliance with its its international obligations and in full cooperation with all relevant international organisations”.


“The rest is his bunch of insane delirium from Putin and his henchmen, including the Russian Mission to the United Nations,” he added.

A number of Western nations have denounced the Russian claims over Ukraine’s alleged possessions of weapons of mass destruction, including biological weapons, as a potential pretext or justification for pressing ahead with its invasion of Ukraine.

US Ambassador Linda Thomas-Greenfield said Russia was delivering on a scenario laid out in the council last month by US Secretary of State Antony Blinken, who had claimed Mr Putin would “fabricate allegations about chemical or biological weapons to justify its own violent attacks against the Ukrainian people”.


“The intent behind these lies seems clear, and is deeply troubling,” she said.


“We believe Russia could use chemical or biological agents for assassinations, as part of a staged or false-flag incident, or to support tactical military operations.”

As it was, Russia had called the meeting to ask the council to address its allegations of US “biological activities” in Ukraine. Russia has not provided evidence of the claim, and the US and Ukraine have denied them.




UN disarmament chief Izumi Nakamitsu told the council she was aware of media reports about allegations of biological weapons programs and said: “The United Nations is not aware of any biological weapons programs.”


Britain’s UN Ambassador Barbara Woodward called the allegations “utter nonsense” and said “Russia is sinking to new depths today, but the council must not get dragged down with it”.


Meanwhile, the UN human rights office said it received “credible reports” that Russian forces were using cluster munitions in Ukraine, including in populated areas which is prohibited under international humanitarian law, Undersecretary-General Rosemary DiCarlo told the Security Council.


“Indiscriminate attacks, including those using cluster munitions, which are of a nature to strike military objectives and civilians or civilian objects without distinction, are prohibited under international humanitarian law,” Ms DiCarlo said.

“Directing attacks against civilian and civilian objects, as well as so-called area bombardment in towns and villages, are also prohibited under international law and may amount to war crimes.”

Putin accused of ‘insane delirium over claim Ukraine trying to spread biological weapons via migratory birds and insects | The Independent

[kingwilly]

The US is certainly a bit miffed about the amount of nations that abstained though, including some choice ones like India, Brazil and Israel. Fading hegemony? Well, of course.

On the contrary those abstained votes are a win when previously those countries would have supported Russia or China.

[sabang]

I'll take your biological weapons slander, and raise you a false flag chemical attack!
Liar!!
Liar!!!
Na, you are!
Nah, You are!!


All good in the schoolyard.

[harrybarracuda]

It makes you wonder why the UK is shooting itself in the foot by sanctioning dear Roman, who has been a prolific supporter of Chelsea FC, City of London, and inner London property causes?

No it doesn't at all.

The UK knows he was only doing it to try and get a British passport, and that's why they didn't give him one.

[harrybarracuda]

But not Zelensky, obviously- I mean the fact that he is blathering away on TikTok asking Nato for more guns, missiles, planes etc and to declare a 'no fly zone' (tantamount to a declaration of war) is just false flag stuff, right?


^ Just to put that figure in perspective, that is around 1/10th of the amount of people killed in Donetsk and Luhansk breakaway republics by Ukrainian forces and militia since they declared independence post Maidan- mostly by shelling. How accurate that figure may be in this TikTok war, cannot say.

Oh here we go again.

The Russians started and support the war in the East, and because they aren't doing as well as poor sabang would like, he's trying to tell us that's why "Putin simply *had* to invade".

Yawn.

[Switch]

I'll take your biological weapons slander, and raise you a false flag chemical attack!
Liar!!
Liar!!!
Na, you are!
Nah, You are!!


All good in the schoolyard.

Your attempt to reduce the ongoing, unprovoked attack of Putin’s War, to school yard bickering really is quite disgraceful. The Ukraine is under a concerted attack by Vladimir Putin, who is, quite clearly a very sick man. Not content with perpetration of an unjustified war, he is now required to lie to the Russian public over his lack of progress, and failing human rights issues.

How can you maintain such a cavalier attitude under such circumstances?

[bsnub]

How can you maintain such a cavalier attitude under such circumstances?

Because he is an asshole.

[Cujo]

So the U.S. has authorized further arms shipments to Ukraine and Russia has said arms shipments are a legitimate war target.
This is going to get nasty.
How will the West respond if (when) Putin starts gassing people?
(Apart from Sabang inevitably claiming false flag)

[bsnub]

This is going to get nasty.

It already is nasty.

[baldrick]

How will the West respond if (when) Putin starts gassing people?

he will to clear the cities - and then the west will finally go for a no fly zone and start shooting down russian aircraft

[panama hat]

It makes you wonder

No it doesn't at all.

Yea . . . nah . . . it doesn't.

[panama hat]

On the contrary those abstained votes are a win when previously those countries would have supported Russia or China.

Now you're using fact and logic . . . damn you!!!

How will the West respond if (when) Putin starts gassing people?(Apart from Sabang inevitably claiming false flag)

There has to be a limit as to what is accepted . . . and sabang? He'll be rejoicing at babies having their faces fall off . . . until Hermann posts pictures of it and the sabang will get all upset and proclaim that this isn't a picture thread - howunfair!!!!

[pickel]

Oh here we go again.

The Russians started and support the war in the East, and because they aren't doing as well as poor sabang would like, he's trying to tell us that's why "Putin simply *had* to invade".

Yawn.

And two weeks into this war Russia still doesn't fully control Donbas. Some liberation. I guess they don't want to be liberated.

[Cujo]

It already is nasty.

Not compared to what's inevitably coming.

[Cujo]

he will to clear the cities - and then the west will finally go for a no fly zone and start shooting down russian aircraft

Quite. Extrapolate from there. Putin won't back down. He'll just ratchet up the heat.

[David48atTD]

So the U.S. has authorized further arms shipments to Ukraine and Russia has said arms shipments are a legitimate war target.

The U.S. arms shipments are a legitimate war target.

And may the USA and Europe send heaps more!