Ukraine war mega thread

[Troy]

That would kick off WW3. NATO should do nothing unless it is attacked first.

What is the UN saying? If they request Nato assistance then so be it.

That's unless you think Russia (or anyone else) can just invade countries as they please.

...and please no whataboutism, this is suddenly very serious.

[Troy]

Russia plans on bringing back the legitimate pre 2014 Ukraine constitution. Then new elections will be called. Without the US putsch regime on the ballot.

It is 2022 and there have been several governments since 2014.

Go back to your playpen.

[pickel]

Russia plans on bringing back the legitimate pre 2014 Ukraine constitution. Then new elections will be called. Without the US putsch regime on the ballot.

Does that sound like democracy?

What is the UN saying? If they request Nato assistance then so be it.

Russia has veto power on the security council.

[pickel]

A simple graphic to assist.

What Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics Are

Why don't you show that map to the people that live on the Western 2/3rds of those imaginary republics and ask what they think of it? They'll stick it up your ass.

[Switch]

Putin has severely underestimated the Will and motivation of the Ukrainian people. The longer his poorly trained and sparsely equipped army endures more failure, the more desperate Putin becomes. He is being undermined at home and abroad, and on the ground in Ukraine.
Multiple failures of his 75 year old doctrine will haunt him forever.
Does he continue to waste his increasingly feeble military assets, go for the nuclear option, or commit to a ceasefire where he can reclaim some of the high ground for humanitarian purposes and claim a win that way?

The choices are not much help to the Ukrainian families already destroyed by Putins war, but saving some face seems to be his best option!

[OhOh]

All of Western media will be booted out of Russia

Why would Russia whant to join the western censored world?

It's Ukraine's choice.

As the opaque western media and many illiterate TD members endlessly parrot.

Any country wishing to join NATO must apply and be accepted, by 100% of the existing members.

It is NATO's choice, not Ukraine's.

This may assist you in your education, of the NATO "accession rules"/facts:

NATO Enlargement & Open Door

"NATO’s “open door policy” is based on Article 10 of the Alliance’s founding document, the North Atlantic
Treaty (1949). The Treaty states that NATO membership is open to any “European state in a position to
further the principles of this Treaty and to contribute to the security of the North Atlantic area”. It states that
any decision on enlargement must be made “by unanimous agreement”.

NATO enlargement has helped increase stability and prosperity in Europe. It is aimed at promoting stability
and cooperation, and at building a Europe united in peace, democracy and common values.

Free choice

NATO respects the right of every country to choose its own security arrangements. Each sovereign country
has the right to choose for itself whether it joins any treaty or alliance. This fundamental principle is enshrined
in international agreements, including the Helsinki Final Act and the Charter of Paris for a New Europe.
NATO membership is not imposed on countries. Article 13 of the Washington Treaty specifically gives Allies
the right to leave should they wish to.

Process of Accession

European countries that wish to join NATO are initially invited to begin an Intensified Dialogue with the
Alliance about their aspirations and related reforms. Aspirants may then be invited to join the Membership
Action Plan, a programme which helps nations prepare for possible future membership. Participation does not
guarantee membership, but is a key preparation mechanism.

To join the Alliance, nations are expected to respect the values of the North Atlantic Treaty, and to meet certain
political, economic and military criteria, set out in the Alliance’s 1995 Study on Enlargement. These criteria
include a functioning democratic political system based on a market economy; fair treatment of minority
populations; a commitment to resolve conflicts peacefully; an ability and willingness to make a military
contribution to NATO operations; and a commitment to democratic civil-military relations and institutions."

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2...gement-eng.pdf

As highlighted, there are a number of "rules/aspects" that Ukraine may or may not, be determined as failing to satisfy. In addition, other criteria institutions "rules", are required to be met.

One, any "security" action, must not affect another country".

I refer you to this Minister's site for details?

You're welcome.

[harrybarracuda]

Maybe we should take a Poll on what will stick, and what will not after the dust settles. In my experience, I have observed what usually wins in the long run.

Yes but then again your predictions are absolute shit.

[pickel]

Putin has severely underestimated the Will and motivation of the Ukrainian people.

I think he's underestimated the will of his soldiers as well.

[harrybarracuda]

A simple graphic to assist.

What Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics Are

Parts of Ukraine that have been driven into conflict by Putin.

That's what they are.

[harrybarracuda]

It is NATO's choice, not Ukraine's.

And given Putin's disgusting antics, the likelihood of NATO members wanting an extra buffer country have increased substantially, as has the likelihood of a couple of new members.

This prick has shown he and Russia are not to be trusted.

[pickel]

As the opaque western media and many illiterate TD members endlessly parrot.

It's what the Ukrainians say, sunflower. Put some seeds in your pocket and go ask them.

[panama hat]

Why would Russia whant to join the western censored world?

Aren't you also the clown who said freedom of speech exists in China . . . everyone has the right to voice their opinion under Xi.

Muppet

[Backspin]

Does that sound like democracy?


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The pre 2014 constitution is the legitimate document.

[thailazer]

The Russian insurgents in Donetsk and Lugansk would not be there if not for Putin backing them. Putin has been plotting this take-back of Ukraine for a long time.

[pickel]

The pre 2014 constitution is the legitimate document.

Do you think Ukrainians will agree with that in a legitimate poll today? If you do, you're an idiot.

[OhOh]

Why don't you show that map to the people that live on the Western 2/3rds

You should visit THE LORDS web site, where the rational is described accurately.

A link, in a number of languages, to assist you:

http://en.kremlin.ru/

[Backspin]

Parts of Ukraine that have been driven into conflict by Putin.

That's what they are.

The exact opposite. They were part of Ukraine until the US regime change in 2014. The post 2014 regime punted everyone from the east out of parliament

[OhOh]

It's what the Ukrainians say

Their knowledge of the accession rules are, as yours, wrong.

[Backspin]

The Russian insurgents in Donetsk and Lugansk would not be there if not for Putin backing them. Putin has been plotting this take-back of Ukraine for a long time.

Thats right. The Nazis from the west would have killed them and chased them into Russia like cattle. From 1991 to 2014, they had representation in parliament.

Welcome to post 2014 Ukraine

[pickel]

Ferfuksakes socal. it's not 2014 anymore. Grow the fuck up.

[bsnub]

I think he's underestimated the will of his soldiers as well.

Oh, of that there is no doubt. Just look at the soldiers who have been taken prisoner. In almost every case, they are young conscripts who have no idea why they are there. A common theme is that they were told it would be a training mission.

[OhOh]

Putin has been plotting this take-back of Ukraine for a long time.

Since the illegal coup in 2014, "fuck the EU" was the name of the game, I remember.

EU and NATO are still and will continue being fucked by the NaGastan "elected" mafia.

I refer you to the last election losing candidate for details.

[Backspin]

Here's another Ukraine documentary

[pickel]

Since the illegal coup in 2014

They've had a legitimate democratic election since then. Your guy lost. If they voted again today, he would lose again. Fuck Putin.

[OhOh]

Your guy lost.

My guy.