Ukraine war mega thread

[sabang]

It would appear to me there are distinct cracks appearing in the 'approved narrative'! Hardly surprising though. Still no invasion then?

[Backspin]

Good Lord, you are thick . . . Yes, everyone moves to Russia for a better life

Moron

Russia: The World's Second-Largest Immigration Haven | The National Interest

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Moron

Russia: The World's Second-Largest Immigration Haven | The National Interest

you really are quite dense aren’t you? Did you bother to read the link you quoted?

Not only is it way out of date by six and a half years, but it quote Obama, making a point about how sad, worthless and poor Russia was back then.

Not much has changed apart from Putins attempts to divert attention away from how bad things are at home, yet again.

Unless of course, google has changed your opinion ………. degenerate, serial loser.

[harrybarracuda]

Iraq - white powder, Iran (some time ago) and recent with assistance from a UK created ME country, Libya - No fly zone -> splattering, Syria - splattering continues ....

Witless fucking drivel as usual.

[Backspin]

you really are quite dense aren’t you? Did you bother to read the link you quoted?

Not only is it way out of date by six and a half years, but it quote Obama, making a point about how sad, worthless and poor Russia was back then.

Not much has changed apart from Putins attempts to divert attention away from how bad things are at home, yet again.

Unless of course, google has changed your opinion ………. degenerate, serial loser.

The whole point of the obama quote was to show how wrong he was. So you obviously didnt understand.

6 and a half years later , over a million Ukrainians have moved to Russia. So the article is old , yet the point of it is more right than its ever been. Moron

[Backspin]

Putin and Macron probably both came to the conclusion that recognizing the Donbass might prevent a west Ukraine offensive egged on by the Anglo countries.
So....

PUTIN TO ANNOUNCE DECISION ON RECOGNITION OF DONBAS WITHIN HOURS

Putin is also under pressure from the biggest opposition , the Communist party of Russia , to recognize the Donbass.

[Backspin]

Are NATO deployed in Syria? Really, I don't follow those stories these days and I don't know. I thought it was just Turkey acting outside the NATO remit. Anything is possible.

There's a few hundred US forces in Syria with a base in Al Tanf

[Troy]

Putin recognises independence of breakaway areas of Ukraine...

The Kremlin says President Putin has decided to recognise the independence of two breakaway areas of Ukraine controlled by Russian-backed separatists.

A Kremlin statement said Putin had told the French and German leaders he intended to sign a decree recognising the Donetsk and Luhansk areas as independent states.

Ukraine-Russia crisis: Putin to address nation as invasion fears mount - BBC News

He's itching for a war and there's no-one gonna stop him....or so it seems.

[Troy]

^ Would that be, like, the population of the Crimea?

[Backspin]

President #Putin informed President @EmmanuelMacron and Federal Chancellor @OlafScholz of his intention to sign the decree to recognise #Donetsk and #Lugansk People’s Republics.

[Backspin]

Putin recognises independence of breakaway areas of Ukraine...



Ukraine-Russia crisis: Putin to address nation as invasion fears mount - BBC News

He's itching for a war and there's no-one gonna stop him....or so it seems.

How is recognizing the Donbass as independent a move to war ? Especially after talking with Macron and Sholz beforehand.

All the US had to do was write down a security guarantee to avoid all this. But they told Russia to fuck off instead.

[david44]

^ Would that be, like, the population of the Crimea?

I think you trumped if you 'll pardon the expression the

CHARGE OF TEH LIGHTWEIGHT DIVISION, but let's not quibble over an Inkerman thinker man, he's trying hard, deep decontsruction and analysis of long joined up concepts.

Some of these theses are like a "Marvel" without the pictures for the herd of thinking, we are witnessing the synaptic gap twixt literal and lateral reflection. The contradistinction between gist and pissed.

Sure plenty of desperate folks drifted to large CIS cities , Dubai can only service so many Kazak whores per hour.

Oddly Russians with the wherewithnail go to the usual places as Dodgy Dutchmen, Minted mafiosi and bulging Belgian bankers.

The desperate but with a passport and a pimp WP aka knife Lulus knocking shop Pattaya
Workers USA Germany Switzerland
The very whitest Smoochis Coochies on earth follow where the cashed up always go the Med, the Caribbean London, Monaco, Paris, Bendigo, Manchester and Detroit not so much

[russellsimpson]

Biden informs us on a Friday that the invasion is 100 percent certain. Blinken informs us Monday that the invasion is a long way from certain.

What are we to think?

If this comes to anything it will be remarkable how this event will have many similarities to what occured in 1914.

Wankers All!

[David48atTD]

All the US had to do was write down a security guarantee to avoid all this.

What do you mean?

[sabang]

Silly boy America- major omelette on your face. Your constantly escalating bluster and brinkmanship got you nowhere- in fact it has backfired spectacularly. What next- try to bluster and browbeat your European allies into harming themself economically? Putin still has no need to invade Ukraine, but if Ukraine are silly enough to launch a war vs Russia, so be it. Putin just flipped y'all the bird- just as Paul Craig Roberts predicted. Not worth pursuing diplomatic negotiation with you- that is the message.

[sabang]

One hopes the role of the anglo press in this debacle will come under further scrutiny. The real pearlers I noticed from yesterday were both from Murdoch outlets- one article saying that Putin had given the go ahead to invade Ukraine (from Newscorp Australia), another (Fox) saying the Biden administration were making total fools of themself. At least one was right.

[HermantheGerman]

Putin shows similarity to Hitler, Saddam, Qaddafi etc. The man is out of control and the real wankers are his followers who are not able to stand up.
Let's pray that their will be a uprising and Russia falls apart.

The three "Judas Stooges" will not shut up and post more garbage.

Ukrain Invasion has started!

[david44]

Putin has rolled the dice, so much for Macron's diplomacy .
I don't foresee Americans gals being conscripted or German volunteers en masse to defend the snowy steppes again nor Zaporizhe, bridges at Kerson or sealing TransDnietria.

NATO could seal then besiege Kaliningrad ,to ensure the safety of the Baltics.

A very dangerous moment, will Putin withdraw or go for broke after Donetsk Luhansk Crimea ?

We know where the start line is where is the end the Carpathians, Warsaw, Tallinn, Sofia, Belgrade , a long desired warm water port?

If NATO supine might as well press on to Athens, Lisbon or Oslo, unlikely yes ?

Will English channel be awash with sausage munching Germans and Austrians again, Zelensky will scoot off to Jaffa or Orange County to write his memoirs.

While sanctions may hurt they seem to be pretty slow burn when we look at similar sanctions BY BDS, South Africa, Cuba, Venezuela etc unless China joins in which seems impossible ?

[sabang]

Breaking news: Russia Has Given Up On Negotiations and Will Resolve the Donbass Issue by Recognizing the Independence of the Republics



Feb 21, 2022, 12:30pm US Central time

Russia Has Given Up On Negotiations and Will Resolve the Donbass Issue by Recognizing the Independence of the Republics
Paul Craig Roberts

As I sit down to write Tass has not yet announced Putin’s decision about Russia’s recognization of the Donetsk and Luhansk republics, formerly Russian territory that the Soviet government attached to Ukraine. However, as the decision of the Russian Security Council was unanimous, supported even by the pro-American Atlanticist Integrationist member, Putin will not go against the position of the Security Council. Putin himself was of the same opinion as his statements and questions indicated.

Understand that this is not about reabsorbing Donbass into Russia like Crimea, but merely recognizing the republics as independent countries.

This will give the protection of international law to the republics, and Russia being a stickler for international law, unlike the West, will see that law defends the republics.

I listened to the one hour, 35 minute Security Council meeting during which the various members discussed their eight years of frustrations with negotiating with the US, NATO, EU that never went anywhere. During these eight years many Donbass Russians were killed by Ukrainian forces which have succeeded in occupying some of the territory of the republics.

What is not clear at this point is whether the recognition of the Donbass republics includes all of the territory including those areas occupied by Ukrainian forces and neo-Nazi militias.

If you watch the video of the meeting, which has English translation, you will see for yourself that Russia has tried for eight years to resolve the situation by keeping the Donbass in Ukraine but protected by the Minsk Agreement signed by Ukraine and guaranteed by Germany and France. It is impossible not to admire the patience of the Russians, although it was patience at the expense of the lives of Donbass Russians.

Today the Russian government ran out of patience, and I don’t think they will have much patience with the West in the future.

Breaking news: Russia Has Given Up On Negotiations and Will Resolve the Donbass Issue by Recognizing the Independence of the Republics - PaulCraigRoberts.org

[david44]

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_192292.htm

Statement by the NATO Secretary General on the recognition by Russia of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk ''People’s Republics''

• 21 Feb. 2022 -
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• Last updated: 21 Feb. 2022 21:06

I condemn Russia’s decision to extend recognition to the self-proclaimed “Donetsk People’s Republic” and “Luhansk People’s Republic”. This further undermines Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, erodes efforts towards a resolution of the conflict, and violates the Minsk Agreements, to which Russia is a party.

In 2015, the United Nations Security Council, which includes Russia, reaffirmed its full respect for the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Ukraine. Donetsk and Luhansk are part of Ukraine.
Moscow continues to fuel the conflict in eastern Ukraine by providing financial and military support to the separatists. It is also trying to stage a pretext to invade Ukraine once again.
NATO supports the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine within its internationally recognised borders. Allies urge Russia, in the strongest possible terms, to choose the path of diplomacy, and to immediately reverse its massive military build-up in and around Ukraine, and withdraw its forces from Ukraine in accordance with its international obligations and commitments.

meanwhile rt states
Russian President Vladimir Putin has officially recognized Donetsk and Lugansk republics as independent states and ordered the Russian military to “secure the peace” in the two former regions of eastern Ukraine

[HermantheGerman]

Silly boy America- major omelette on your face. Your constantly escalating bluster and brinkmanship got you nowhere- in fact it has backfired spectacularly. What next- try to bluster and browbeat your European allies into harming themself economically? Putin still has no need to invade Ukraine, but if Ukraine are silly enough to launch a war vs Russia, so be it. Putin just flipped y'all the bird- just as Paul Craig Roberts predicted. Not worth pursuing diplomatic negotiation with you- that is the message.

Says our little Popeye who is still looking for his can of spinach
What a disgrace you are!

[HermantheGerman]

Understand that this is not about reabsorbing Donbass into Russia like Crimea, but merely recognizing the republics as independent countries.

How dare you post such garbage. You are truly the greatest idiot right next to Skidmark.

[sabang]

Apoplectic are we Herman? But I am more curious waiting for the tide of impotent rage from the US State Dept / Biden administration. What a spectacular Fail.

[sabang]

Wipe the dribble off your chin, Stutterberg. And we all know who broke the Minsk Agreements. Think you might be out of a job soon pal.

[David48atTD]

Apoplectic are we Herman? But I am more curious waiting for the tide of impotent rage from the US State Dept / Biden administration. What a spectacular Fail.

Ummm ... US/NATO is not invading anyone ... no fail there.

It's the Russians who are invading Ukraine.

Granted that area is majority Russian speaking ... BUT IT'S STILL LAWFULLY UKRAINE.


OH, as an aside I put all my Super/401k/(future) Pension funds into cash last week

Just being prudent if this did turn out to be another Russian Land Grab ... which it always was going to be.