Ukraine war mega thread

[harrybarracuda]

Press release on submitting a written reaction to the US response concerning security guarantees

How about if Russia gave Ukraine some "security guarantees"?

That would be a good idea don't you think?

[Troy]

Gas flowed to Germany all through the cold war. Germany does not see russian gas as a problem. It is cheap and plentiful. Germany financed 50% of Nord stream 2.

No, Russia financed 50%. The other half was fininced by several private companies from countries including Germany, Holland and France.

[Troy]

It's almost like Germany sees no threat from Russia

No it isn't. Germany has good trade relations with Russia but understand the threat and have mobilised troops to protect NATO countries. The Germans cannot be reliant on a project that hasn't actually started producing yet.

[Troy]

Biggest civil nuclear power exporter in the world. Yandex is the biggest tech startup in Europe. And the 5th biggest search engine. Telegram is the 5th biggest messaging app in the world. Kaspersky is the biggest antivirus in Europe. Ngix is the 3rd biggest server node in the world.

None of which includes manufactured goods...

[Troy]

Yeah sure.

The President of Ukraine, speaking in Munich, has just claimed that Ukrainian separatists are shelling themselves, “out of madness”. This is despite OSCE monitors recording artillery shots fired from Ukrainian military-controlled areas, at separatists https://osce.org/files/2022-02-

The linked report states nothing of the sort. It does indicate, however, that the transgressions are mainly against Ukraine controlled areas.
Why would Ukraine government officials visit an area if they knew it was being shelled by their own forces.

[bsnub]

The linked report states nothing of the sort.

Typical post by skiddy. As usual, he's full of shit.

[OhOh]

POTUS has spoken, again.

Remarks by President Biden Providing an Update on Russia and Ukraine

February 18, 2022

• Speeches and Remarks

Final question and "answer":

"Q

And President Putin is going to oversee some nuclear drills this weekend. How do you see that happening? What’s your reaction to that, sir? Thank you.

THE PRESIDENT:

Well, I don’t think he is remotely contemplating nuclear — using nuclear weapons. But I do think it’s — I think he is focused on trying to convince the world that he has the ability to change the dynamics in Europe in a way that he cannot.

But I don’t — how much of it is a cover for just saying, “We’re just doing exercises” and there’s more than that, I just can’t — it’s hard to read his mind.

(Cross-talk.)

Q

To be clear — to be clear, you are convinced —

THE PRESIDENT:

I’ll — I’ll take some.

Q —

you are convinced — you are convinced that President Putin is going to invade Ukraine? Is that what you just said a few moments ago?

THE PRESIDENT:

Yes, I did. Yes.

Q

So, is diplomacy off the table then?

THE PRESIDENT:

No. There’s always — until he does, diplomacy is always a possibility.

Q What reason do you have to believe he is considering that option at all?

THE PRESIDENT:

We have a significant intelligence capability. Thank you very much. "

Available in full here:

Access Denied

NaGastani Iraq"intelligence". Which started one NaGastani war, there are others.

Which some believe "it was worth it".

[bsnub]

[OhOh]

The intelligence service of the Donetsk People’s Republic have released the following map and claim that this is the Ukrainian plan of attack against the LDNR:

http://dxczjjuegupb.cloudfront.net/w...ection_152.jpg

[Troy]

The intelligence service of the Donetsk People’s Republic

...straight from the Boriz Rozhin's (aka Colonel Cassad) blog site.

[harrybarracuda]

...straight from the Boriz Rozhin's (aka Colonel Cassad) blog site.

Did you expect anything else from the witless putin arselicker?

There isn't a "Donetsk People's Republic" hoohoo, it's just a made up name the Russians have given it to try and give themselves an excuse to invade more of Ukraine, you silly arse.

[OhOh]

^^
A lot more detailed than the "Russian Invasion of Ukraine" map.



Map: Possible Russian Invasion of Ukraine

[misskit]

What does Putin want in Ukraine? The conflict explained - CNN

[bsnub]

A clear overreach. Putin has lost his gamble. If he invades his gas station of a country will collapse.

[harrybarracuda]

^^ When did the c u n t invade Moldova then?

[HermantheGerman]

A newly discovered document from March 1991 shows US, UK, French & German officials discussing a pledge made to Moscow that NATO would not expand to Poland and beyond. Itshas been published by @derspiegel amid a military standoff in Eastern Europe.

https://www.rt.com/news/549921-nato-expansion-russia-document/

Conclusion: It's true that Kohl and Foreign Ministers Genscher and Baker flirted with the deal for a while, and Putin is lamenting the breach today. But: There was never anything written about it, there could never have been. Because the American President had dropped this consideration of his foreign minister, who was intent on finding a compromise. And instead promised them a different kind of partnership. Which never came to be.

A Soviet citizen studied the fall of the East Germany up close. Until 1990 he worked for five years at Angelikastrasse 4 in Dresden as an agent of the KGB. His name:

Wladimir Putin.



Maybe it was his stupidity then that bothers him now.

[helge]

Conclusion: It's true that Kohl and Foreign Ministers Genscher and Baker flirted with the deal for a while, and Putin is lamenting the breach today. But: There was never anything written about it, there could never have been. Because the American President had dropped this consideration of his foreign minister, who was intent on finding a compromise. And instead promised them a different kind of partnership. Which never came to be.

Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and WoernerSlavic Studies Panel Addresses “Who Promised What to Whom on NATO Expansion?”


Washington D.C., December 12, 2017 – U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University

More in link
nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early

[HermantheGerman]

Which some believe "it was worth it".

Will you ever get the fact that the WMD was a whole different situation?
Will you ever realize that it was the U.S. /West who admitted that it was a mistake? Something you will never hear from your beloved dictator countries Chinastan and Ruskystan.

Do you understand anything at all? (no need to answer)

[HermantheGerman]

nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early

Did you donate money to that site

[helge]

Did you donate money to that site

Eh.. no, Herman

Is something wrong with the presentation or the documents ?

[misskit]

Mysterious symbol seen on Russian trucks: 'Assume the worst'

If you have seen footage of Russian vehicles recently, you may have noticed the letter 'Z' painted on the side — a symbol which even has experts confused.


In several videos and photos posted on social media, Russian tanks and trucks are seen to be emblazoned with a white 'Z' and it appears to have caught the attention of a few people, including intelligence experts.


"Many people ask us about this 'Zorro squad', but I don’t know why they draw this giant Z on vehicles," the head of Conflict Intelligence Team, Ruslan Leviev, said on Twitter.

The Conflict Intelligence Team is an "independent Russian investigative organisation", according to Al Jazeera.


"Some believe that this is a sign for their own aircraft, so that their own would not be bombed. But we see a lot of movement of vehicles every day and this Z is very rare," Leviev said.


However Leviev questioned if it was a measure to ensure Russians didn't bomb their own, why wasn't the symbol on all their equipment.


The director of training and research at Bellingcat – an independent collective of researchers, investigators and citizen journalists, Aric Toler, retweeted Leviev and said the 'Z' branding had only just started to appear.


He added Leviev had been monitoring this kind of thing for eight years.


"So, assume the worst, I guess/fear," he added.

Analyst Oliver Alexander offered up another theory, saying the 'Z' could just be for logistics.


"The 'Z's could be as simple as NCOs (non-commissioned officers) telling vehicle crews to mark their vehicles after completed ready checks," he wrote on Twitter.


"This is why you have no system or standardisation at all. The truck with the massive Z is 'that guy' and also the reason why there was a smaller Z painted on the door."


In another series of earlier tweets, he said: "With all other distinguishable unit markers painted over the Z we are seeing were most probably to identify which vehicles are heading for this specific attack corridor into Ukraine during mobilisation from camps.


"With hundred of vehicles at some of the forward camps we have seen, it would have been important to ID which specific vehicles are moving out and where too. With IDs painted over this would be a logistical nightmare. The symbol makes this possible."

Russian troops 'poised to strike', US says


The White House has said the US president's national security team has advised him they believe Russia could attack Ukraine "at any time".


Foreign ministers from the G7 group have said they have not seen any evidence Russia is reducing its military activity near Ukraine's border.


Washington has gone as far as accusing Russian troops massed near the border of advancing and being "poised to strike".


Foreign ministers from the G7 group of rich nations said they had seen no evidence Russia is reducing its military activity in the area and remained "gravely concerned" about the situation.


US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said Russian forces were beginning to "uncoil and move closer" to the border.


"We hope he (Vladimir Putin) steps back from the brink of conflict," Austin told a news conference in Lithuania, saying an invasion of Ukraine was not inevitable.


Russia has said Western warnings about the invasion of Ukraine are hysterical and dangerous and Moscow says the military is pulling back.


Russia ordered the military build-up while demanding NATO prevent Ukraine from ever joining the alliance.

The world against Russia


Scott Morrison has warned Russia the world will be moving together to counteract any violence it inflicts on Ukraine.


Washington believes Russian troops massed near Ukraine's border are advancing and are "poised to strike".


"It is unacceptable because it is unwarranted, it's unprovoked in terms of the threats of terrible violence that Russia is imposing on Ukraine," the prime minister told reporters in Melbourne on Sunday.


He said while there has never been any contemplation of Australian troops being deployed to Eastern Europe, the government has been working with its allies to directly support Ukraine, whether it be in cyberspace or things of that nature.


"The world will be moving together to seek to counteract what would be a terrible act of violence," Mr Morrison said.


"Should they follow through on their acts of violence against Ukraine, we will follow through with sanctions together and in partnership with all of our other allies and partners."

He said Foreign Minister Marise Payne will be meeting with her Ukrainian counterpart on Monday.


Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese reiterated his call for Russia to "back off".


"There is no place for the intimidation and threats that we've seen from Russia against a sovereign government, which should be respected," Mr Albanese told reporters in Darwin.


Defence Minister Peter Dutton said while he was hoping for an "11th hour miracle", it was very hard to see how that would be the case and expects there would be an incursion into the Ukraine.


"It's regrettable, but I think that's the action that Putin is intent on," Mr Dutton told Sky News' Sunday Agenda program.


He said the alliance now between China and Russia was deeply concerning.

Mysterious symbol seen on Russian trucks: 'Assume the worst'

[misskit]

[Backspin]

A clear overreach. Putin has lost his gamble. If he invades his gas station of a country will collapse.

Haha. The super duper sanctions after Crimea amounted to nothing. Then Putin banned food imports from all of Europe the next day.

8 years later Russia has over 600 billion in FX reserves. A new record , 4th in the world

[Backspin]

Did you donate money to that site

In case you don't know why he^ and Panama twot support Ukraine so passionately.

[helge]

Yeah

Asov battalion is such a pride


Here's Herman