Ukraine war mega thread

[sabang]

War is Gaylord Putins only option

Dream on.

The anglos only option for prodding Russia into military action is by prodding Zelensky into invading Donetsk- to which of course Russia will respond to protect the Russian population there, and promptly be accused of 'invasion'. But Zelensky isn't playing ball, au contraire he is telling them to STFU. I mean, Ukrainians are human too- not just cannon fodder for your stupid games.

So arm him all you like, but the situation remains unchanged. I get the idea you would just love Ukrainian youth sent to be slaughtered- how nice of you. Some allies.

[harrybarracuda]

Still no Russian invasion then?

There may never be an invasion. Putin, like a two year old, is pushing the boundaries to see how far he can go.

If he doesn't like the consequences, he won't even try.

Are you too stupid to realise what is going on here?

Ah, yes, you are.

[harrybarracuda]

Dream on.

The anglos only option for prodding Russia into military action is by prodding Zelensky into invading Donetsk- to which of course Russia will respond to protect the Russian population there, and promptly be accused of 'invasion'.

Donetsk is part of Ukraine, as is Crimea, you fucking moron.

[bsnub]

The anglos only option for prodding Russia into military action is by prodding Zelensky into invading Donetsk

This is complete fantasy that only morons buy into. Nothing of the sort is being done, it is just propaganda for lemmings like yourself to swallow without question.

I say again, as I have said many times before. This "situation" is 100% of Putin's creation. If war breaks out, it will be because he ordered it and no other reason.

[sabang]

So Vlad provoked the violent Maidan revolution, that ended the old Ukrainian federation. Maybe the guy really is Superman.

[Switch]

Dream on.


So arm him all you like, but the situation remains unchanged. I get the idea you would just love Ukrainian youth sent to be slaughtered- how nice of you. Some allies.

Where do you twist my post to get that idea. That’s just shit stirring because you are out of ideas that might represent reality.

As I said in an earlier post, Ukraine internal issues need to be resolved first. Not by the US or Russia or even NATO, but by the Ukrainians themselves.
Putin uses it as an excuse to unsettle Ukraine and keep right wingers on his side at home, before he is re-elected.

[Backspin]

My first post on this thread includes a question to other members that are more educated about the history of this event.

What benefits would the people of Ukraine receive by joining NATO?

And why is Putin so against the Ukraine becoming a member?

Thanks in advance for your replies.

Another question which is fair to ask is why does the US insist that Ukraine joins Nato?


The main reason Russia will not allow Ukraine to join Nato is because if it joins Nato, the first thing the US will do is build permanent missile batteries with weapons pointed directly at Russia. As they did in Romania and Poland.



The second reason is that Russia has no natural borders. The big empire of the day, whether its the Mongols, Napoleon, the Ottomans, the Germans , the Brits, the Nazi's and now the Americans, tend to show up at the western border to relieve Russia of some land. They cannot allow a openly hostile military to set up shop in Ukraine. Which is what is happening now , hence the war talk.

The 3rd reason is that Ukraine is a Russophone country. Ukrainian is a Russian dialect. Just as the United Kingdom is made up of different sub groups, so is the Russian world. But to put a finer point on it, half of the country believes themselves to be Russian. The other half doesn't.

Kievan Rus' was a loose federation of East Slavic, Baltic and Finnic peoples in Eastern and Northern Europe from the late 9th to the mid-13th century,^[4][5] under the reign of the Rurik dynasty, founded by the Varangian prince Rurik.^[5] The modern nations of Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine all claim Kievan Rus' as their cultural ancestors.

[Backspin]

Donetsk is part of Ukraine, as is Crimea, you fucking moron.

The Kiev putsch regime kicked the eastern MP's out of the fucking parliament and made the party representing the east illegal. Including Crimea. You fucking twat.

[sabang]

Backpedalling in anticipation. Didn't realise you were capable of such foresight 'arry.

[Switch]

Backpedalling in anticipation. Didn't realise you were capable of such foresight 'arry.

You’re not very good at this are you? You were much better at house building threads.

[sabang]

Well lets all wait for the forever 'Russian invasion' [TM] and be very scared then.

[HermantheGerman]

My first post on this thread includes a question to other members that are more educated about the history of this event.

What benefits would the people of Ukraine receive by joining NATO?

And why is Putin so against the Ukraine becoming a member?

Thanks in advance for your replies.

The Ukraine people are now free and always had the urge to break away from the Soviet Union. They of course have one big problem and that is corruption.

The Russians are not free never enjoyed freedom. They always have been clobbered on the head by their OWN dictators/Czars. Russians can not think on their own, they need guidance from above. Its a bit like Skidmark who's mother still has to drive him to work.

Putin is a trained KGB officer, cold blooded killer and now a dictator.

[Switch]

Another question which is fair to ask is why does the US insist that Ukraine joins Nato?


The main reason Russia will not allow Ukraine to join Nato is because if it joins Nato, the first thing the US will do is build permanent missile batteries with weapons pointed directly at Russia. As they did in Romania and Poland.



The second reason is that Russia has no natural borders. The big empire of the day, whether its the Mongols, Napoleon, the Ottomans, the Germans , the Brits, the Nazi's and now the Americans, tend to show up at the western border to relieve Russia of some land. They cannot allow a openly hostile military to set up shop in Ukraine. Which is what is happening now , hence the war talk.

The 3rd reason is that Ukraine is a Russophone country. Ukrainian is a Russian dialect. Just as the United Kingdom is made up of different sub groups, so is the Russian world. But to put a finer point on it, half of the country believes themselves to be Russian. The other half doesn't.

Kievan Rus' was a loose federation of East Slavic, Baltic and Finnic peoples in Eastern and Northern Europe from the late 9th to the mid-13th century,^[4][5] under the reign of the Rurik dynasty, founded by the Varangian prince Rurik.^[5] The modern nations of Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine all claim Kievan Rus' as their cultural ancestors.

Littered with errors, trying to persuade readers that your opinions are facts. They are not! NATO is a collective DEFENSIVE alliance. Russia does have borders. Ukraine is an independent sovereign nation, not a Russian subordinate. I could go on, but it’s pointless when you stick both fingers in your ears and only listen to your own, backward ‘opinions’.

[HermantheGerman]

Where do you get this from ???

There is a whole lot of graphite around the world

• Graphite mine production top countries 2020 | Statista

Ask your buddy Backspin/Skidmark, he's good in economics

But aren't you asking the wrong question? This is a Thai forum and we all have something in common here "FREEDOM !" Have you figured out what I posted here before?

Since you are pretty dense let me rephrase something for you. Maybe once, just once you can use your sunbeat marbles to figure out what I'am telling you.

You are dumb enough to post this:
The LORD: Leader of Russian Democracy

If you would have worked all your Life in Russia, you would not be sitting where you are sitting now. (not to mention spouting your garbage in the internet).

Why? Because your Leader of Russian Dictatorship would not be sending you, your hard earned retirement money abroad.
Now, how can you defend this scumbag in any way, knowing your beloved comrade can not enjoy the same life you are living.

Either you are a Troll, stupid, or a heartless twat, or maybe all three.



@ Backspin

don't even try figuring out what I just wrote. You will be searching for weeks in the internet trying to find out the truth. Just face the fact that you are stupid.

Let me confuse you a bit more:
Ukraine is one of the world's largest wheat exporters.Due to its fertile black soil, Ukraine was dubbed the granary of the Russian Empire and later the Soviet Union, making it a target of Adolf Hitler's "Lebensraum in the East" policy. The yellow stripe in the flag of Ukraine represents the cornfields as a symbol of the country.

[helge]

WTF ?

Are you alright, Herman ?

[HuangLao]

WTF ?

Are you alright, Herman ?

Very intense and obsessive Occidental nationalist?
Character traits that appear to be all too common here.

[OhOh]

would not be sending you, your hard earned retirement money abroad.

The retirement monies have and will remain to be credited to my home country bank account by the various entities.

Try again.

And why is Putin so against the Ukraine becoming a member?

The Ukraine government has stated that they would return Crimea to Ukraine. If Ukraine is accepted into NATO any attempt to retake Crimea by force will become a military battle against Russia.

Ukraine could then request assistance from the NATO membership. The worst case scenario is nuclear war between NATO and Russia.

Do you really want a nuclear war?

[NamPikToot]

The Ukraine government has stated that they would return Crimea to Ukraine. If Ukraine is accepted into NATO any attempt to retake Crimea by force will become a military battle against Russia.

Ukraine could then request assistance from the NATO membership. The worst case scenario is nuclear war between NATO and Russia.

Do you really want a nuclear war?

And there ladies and gents is why this has all blown up, lunatic thought process.

[Troy]

Ukraine has been free of the Russian empire since 1991. It should be allowed to choose its allegiances for itself. Dictatorships don't work in the long run. Belarus will be joining Ukraine next in becoming free of Russian influence.

It will take a while but will happen. Russia cannot rule by force and puppet governments much longer.

[OhOh]

^

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13 February 2022, 22:31

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Pelosi's video and words have revealed the truth.

I'm not sure where she is on the NaGastan Nuclear Button ladder.

[OhOh]

Nord Stream: The Geo-politics of Keeping Germany ‘Down’, Russia ‘Out’, and Instability in Ukraine

https://www.strategic-culture.org/ne...ility-ukraine/


The long and winding road continues.

[Switch]

Nord Stream: The Geo-politics of Keeping Germany ‘Down’, Russia ‘Out’, and Instability in Ukraine

Nord Stream: The Geo-politics of Keeping Germany ‘Down’, Russia ‘Out’, and Instability in Ukraine — Strategic Culture


The long and winding road continues.

Almost as stretched as SoCal whataboutism. Giving Macron credit for anything, including tying his own shoe laces, will dilute any argument you try to make. France is a big country (geographically) with a significant population, but no credit in the real world, largely due to Macron being totally ineffective, at the national, European and Global level.

France heads the EU for 6 months, not because Macron is a great statesman, but because it’s Frances turn at the wheel. He is deluded about his own importance, just like you are.

[OhOh]

Biden dials back belligerence toward Russia

February 13, 2022 by M. K. BHADRAKUMAR

Biden dials back belligerence toward Russia - Indian Punchline

It should be allowed to choose its allegiances for itself.

There are many internationally signed, legally, binding agreements that support such actions.

Not all are applicable to all.

For example one alliance, the NATO grouping, invite countries to join NATO, their acceptance requires no blackballs from existing NATO members.

There are other international agreements such as:

Astana 2010, and before that Istanbul in 1999.

As the Russian Foreign Minister pointed out, one treaty:
Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s interview with Sputnik, Echo of Moscow, Govorit Moskva and Komsomolskaya Pravda radio stations, Moscow, January 28, 2022

https://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1796330/

"OSCE countries signed a package that contained interrelated principles to ensure the indivisibility of security.

"Each country has the right to choose its allies and military alliances."

But in that treaty, this right comes with a condition and an obligation on each country, to which the all members subscribed:

"Not to strengthen their security at the expense of the security of others".


In this instance as you suggest, the "right to choose" is a treaty obligation, but another obligation, "at the expense of the security of others" is one, as well.

The OSCE has 57 participating States from Europe, Central Asia and North America:

Participating States | OSCE

One of which is Ukraine.

Which suggests that Ukraine can choose to accept an invitation to join the NATO alliance, but it is up to all the existing NATO members to decide whether to accept Ukraine as a member of NATO.

In addition, Ukraine are obligated not to ignore and accept, that other countries, may object due to their own security being ignored.

[bsnub]

Biden dials back belligerence toward Russia

The Three Stooges (aka ohdoh, backspin, and sabang) continue to clown themselves. What a bunch of Kool-Aid sipping bozos.

[OhOh]

He is deluded about his own importance, just like you are.

As you suggest, Macron has his own reasons to attempt this route.

As for my "importance", I have no illusions. I have always been a tool to be utilised, rewarded and abused.

IMHO the rewards have exceeded the abuse.

C'est la vie.