Ukraine war mega thread

[sabang]

^^ Oh no, baby bedwetter, I am rather enjoying this. And as the whole bullshit narrative falls apart, and even the anglo press cannot whitewash the embarassment, kindly be assured I will still be here reminding you!


^ The USA really wants to scupper NS2. That is what is up. Plus of course, anything to deflect from the debacle at Home.

[bsnub]

And as the whole bullshit narrative falls apart, and even the anglo press cannot whitewash the embarassment

There is no narrative, you buffoon. The issue is simple...

130k offensive troops forward deployed on the Ukrainian frontier without any credible provocation in the dead of winter.

That warrants a response. This entire "crisis" is 100% fabricated and created by Putin.

[Backspin]

There is no narrative, you buffoon. The issue is simple...

130k offensive troops forward deployed on the Ukrainian frontier without any credible provocation in the dead of winter.

That warrants a response. This entire "crisis" is 100% fabricated and created by Putin.

You are guzzling cumbuckets of propaganda

[HuangLao]

There is no narrative, you buffoon. The issue is simple...

130k offensive troops forward deployed on the Ukrainian frontier without any credible provocation in the dead of winter.

That warrants a response. This entire "crisis" is 100% fabricated and created by Putin.

........and it's really none of the USA's business, is it?

Speaking of a rich history of fabricating most everything. The U.S. comes to mind. The champions of such.

[bsnub]

You are guzzling cumbuckets of propaganda

Stop the bullshit. Nothing I said is disprovable and is 100% fact. I am not the one who is guzzling cumbuckets of Putin's jizz that is you Three Stooges. Useful idiots doing his bidding.

........and it's really none of the USA's business, is it?

An ignorant and impotent response from another idiot.

[sabang]

Like them WMD's e'hh snubs. It must be true, 'cus Pres Guaido of Venezuela told ya so.

[HermantheGerman]

Hey !
Is Ukraine still getting the gas needed ?

With a little thank you note ?

Prepare for the worst’: Ukraine government websites targeted in cyberattack
Kiev is investigating the hack and says ‘there is a long record of Russian cyberassaults against Ukraine

[HermantheGerman]

Too late- the anglo bedwetters have been exposed, and made fools of themself.

True, plenty of times. Just ask the Poles, Czechoslovakia etc.

Putin, like Hitler, has clearly stated his goal. In Hitler’s case, it was to conquer Europe and the Soviet Union, and then dominate the world. Recall the Nazi slogan: “Today we rule Germany, tomorrow the world.” They were quite clear about their objectives, just like Putin. He intends to restore the Soviet empire. That means recapturing all the escaped captive nations, and reestablishing Kremlin domination over the eastern half of Europe. Like Hitler, he will not stop until he hits a wall.

The Folly and Lessons of Appeasement Revisited - KyivPost - Ukraine's Global Voice

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True, plenty of times. Just ask the Poles, Czechoslovakia etc.



The Folly and Lessons of Appeasement Revisited - KyivPost - Ukraine's Global Voice

Watchin an AlJazheera report last night, it seems there are a few right wing belligerent minorities on both sides, intent on fighting and undermining diplomatic efforts towards a peaceful resolution.
Due to lack of control and coordination, these minorities could easily upset the balance. They may be minorities, but they do seem determined and angry.
The ‘exercise’ on neighboring borders does make Ukraines position much more awkward. Prelude to a Putin attack perhaps?

[OhOh]

Aren't you lucky to post your stupid and silly BS in a free country.

And which "free county" am I posting from?

Everyone Loves NATO

I suspect there are a few countries around the world who do not share your view.

[OhOh]

Russia enjoys $65 billion windfall as oil rallies

Brent crude prices need to remain around $90 per barrel for the rest of the year

13 Feb, 2022 06:57 HomeBusiness News

By Irina Slav for Oilprice.com"

"Russia could get an additional $65 billion for its state coffers this year if higher oil prices remain resilient, Bloomberg reported this week, citing estimates made by economists.For the windfall to realize, prices need to remain around $90 per barrel of Brent for the rest of the year, according to the estimates. Yet with many forecasters expecting even higher prices later in the year, topping $100 and more, Russia may gain a lot more, up to $73 billion in additional oil revenues.
With gas prices high, too, Russian fossil fuel revenues are set to go even higher in total.
“Russia’s fiscal position is so super-stable that even with more modest oil prices, it’s hard to compromise it in the current situation,” Bloomberg quoted Renaissance Capital analyst Donets as saying.
“This year’s energy windfall looks set to be staggeringly large. That’s swelling Russia’s fiscal reserves at just the right time for the Kremlin, providing a bigger buffer against crisis in the event of sanctions. Geopolitics aside, it also means more flexibility to boost spending and invest in the economy,” Bloomberg economist Scott Johnson told the news agency.

Forecasts about oil reaching and topping $100 this year have been multiplying recently as bullish factors strengthen, led by continued strong demand coupled with the relaxation of Covid-19-related restrictions. Tight supply remains in the spotlight as well, despite recent forecasts about a strong rebound in US oil production this year.
It seems everyone is watching OPEC (the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries) rather than the US right now, with the cartel’s capacity being cited by most analysts as a big reason for their bullish forecasts.
There are also geopolitical factors: on the tailwind side, there is the situation around Ukraine that, in case of escalation, could push oil prices significantly higher, and on the headwind side, there are the Iranian – US nuclear talks that just might end with a deal this time. A deal would mean more Iranian barrels coming into international markets legally, but, according to analysts, this has already been factored into prices."

Russia enjoys $65 billion windfall as oil rallies — RT Business News1. Allegedly US$65 billion to US$100+ billion windfal due to NaGastan meddling.



Why the World Worries About Russia’s Nord Stream Pipeline


Gazprom owns the project operator, with Royal Dutch Shell Plc and four other investors contributing half of the 9.5 billion-euro ($11.6 billion) cost.


By Dina Khrennikova and Anna Shiryaevskaya | Bloomberg: Feb. 25, 2021


"A natural gas pipeline being built under the Baltic Sea from Russia to the German coast is shaking up geopolitics. Nord Stream 2, as it’s called, fuels worries in the U.S. and other countries that the link could give the Kremlin new leverage over Germany and other NATO allies. Pipe construction, halted in 2019, resumed in December 2020, yet U.S. sanctions still threaten to pull the brakes on the project backed by the Russia’s Gazprom PJSC.



What is Nord Stream 2?



It’s a 1,230-kilometer (764-mile) gas pipeline that will double the capacity of the existing undersea route from Russian fields to Europe — the original Nord Stream — which opened in 2011.

Gazprom owns the project operator, with Royal Dutch Shell Plc and four other investors contributing half of the 9.5 billion-euro ($11.6 billion) cost.

Initially expected to come online by the end of 2019, the link has been delayed by U.S. sanctions that forced Swiss contractor Allseas Group SA to withdraw its pipelaying vessels when all but 160 kilometers of the link was in place. When Nord Stream 2 started construction again, Russian vessels were deployed to lay 2.6 kilometers in Germany’s exclusive economic zone. In January 2021 work resumed on the Danish section."

https://royaldutchshellplc.com/2021/02/26/why-the-world-worries-about-russias-nord-stream-pipeline/

2. Gazprom invests US$6 billion in a pipeline called NS2.


It appears that the cost of a pipeline, NS2, has been paid for already or possibly within a year.

Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
I want to be crystal-clear

Another "Crystal Clear" Win, Win for The LORD.

Bonus: No men, woman or children were SPLATTERED either.

,

[panama hat]

So would you have Russia do a Costa Rica, and eliminate it's military?

Would you? Is anyone suggesting this? Why do you have to be such an idiot at times, suggesting others are making a ridiculous point just so you can argue against it?

Oh, Australia is evacuating it's Ukrainian Embassy. I thought a bit of comic relief might be in order.

They're not the only ones - you find this amusing? Russia won't invade, but if they do and blast Kiev you'd be defending them and still laughing at embassy evacuations.

[harrybarracuda]

Do all these Putin arselickers try changing the subject when they are getting their arses kicked?

Ah, yes.

[harrybarracuda]

Putin doesn't give a fuck about restoring the Soviet Union. This is all jingoistic flag waving to try and con people into keeping him in power.

Thatcher did it with the Falklands, and it worked well.

[OhOh]

the West will impose some additional sanctions

Yes, so they keep announcing, delivery of what is yet to be decided and implemented.

More WAR, WAR threats as well from the "unexceptional" countries. Currently NaGastan and UK, IF RUSSIA INVADES A NATO COUNTRY, or have you news of other countries to share with us. The EU, European countries, even any South Pacific islands .....

Where has THE LORD threatened to invade a NATO country?

any credible provocation in the dead of winter.

That warrants a response.

Training troops, with their own weapons, in their own countries, is a provocation for war?

The correct response should be aimed at reducing tensions, sending troops and weapons halfway around the world is provocative spring, summer, autumn or winter.

changing the subject

Previous proven lies from unexceptional countries tend to colour one's opinions on current "intelligence".

[Backspin]

Putin has underestimated Bidens resolve. It is now Biden engaging in a little hyperbole on this crisis and the Russians are now wondering how they can extricate themselves and save face. Biden is playing to a home crowd and needs to dispell the perception that he is weak and the Russians have unwittingly presented him with the perfect platform. The Europeans have been dragged along by the Americans but I think are at last realising that the Russian bark is worse than its bite. Russia needs the west and Putin cannot afford the catastrophic sanctions that the Russian people would have to endure.
Ping will be watching with interest. He is another dictator that needs to be shown some western resolve. It says little for the E.U. when it takes Lithuania to say they will deal with whom they please and stand up to the Chinese. Admittedly they have less to lose compared to countries like Australia but hopefully the EU will start to show some backbone, led by Lithuania.
Australia in another snub to China is now looking at closer trading links with Lithuania. Ping has forgotton the old saying, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". His attempts at bullying economics to divide and conquer may well end up with countries uniting rather than dividing.
It is quite sad to see such politically naive and deluded souls on TD that seem to think that Autocrats with unchecked power will do more for the interests of their people than western style democracies would with all their faults and yes, there are many.
Time and again, history has shown this to be a false narrative.

If there was a referendum in your country on whether Ukraine should join Nato or not, would you vote yes ?

If the result of the referendum is yes, Ukraine joins Nato and Russia will attack. If Ukraine does not join Nato and it is put in writing with a treaty and a stamp from the UN, Russia will demilitarize the border and everything will go back to the original status quo which was the 1991 to 2014 period.

Yes or no ?

[panama hat]

If there was a referendum in your country on whether Ukraine should join Nato or not, would you vote yes ?

He's Australian, nothing to do with NATO or Europe. Try a different red herring.

[NamPikToot]

The ‘exercise’ on neighboring borders does make Ukraines position much more awkward. Prelude to a Putin attack perhaps?

Have you been asleep for the last 4 months?

[HermantheGerman]

And which "free county" am I posting from?

Since you are pretty dense let me rephrase something for you. Maybe once, just once you can use your sunbeat marbles to figure out what I'am telling you.

You are dumb enough to post this:
The LORD: Leader of Russian Democracy

If you would have worked all your Life in Russia, you would not be sitting where you are sitting now. (not to mention spouting your garbage in the internet).

Why? Because your Leader of Russian Dictatorship would not be sending you, your hard earned retirement money abroad.
Now, how can you defend this scumbag in any way, knowing your beloved comrade can not enjoy the same life you are living.

Either you are a Troll, stupid, or a heartless twat, or maybe all three.



@ Backspin

don't even try figuring out what I just wrote. You will be searching for weeks in the internet trying to find out the truth. Just face the fact that you are stupid.

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You are guzzling cumbuckets of propaganda

Would that be the same propaganda spouted by Russia, prior to the annexation of the Crimea?

[bsnub]

Either you are a Troll, stupid, or a heartless twat, or maybe all three.

He is all of the above.

[bsnub]

Do all these Putin arselickers try changing the subject when they are getting their arses kicked?

Of course, they do. Switching gears to avoid checkmate is part of the MO. They are idiots and completely co-opted by propaganda.

[misskit]

Russian Sock Puppet Crew Faked Texas Guv Tweet About Biden Blackmail

A fake tweet from Texas Governor Greg Abbott about Ukrainian politicians blackmailing the Biden family. A made-up gang rape of a Ukrainian woman by Polish nationalists. A bogus conspiracy theory about Ukraine’s president secretly allowing Polish troops to occupy and control swaths of Ukrainian territory under the guise of defending it from Russia.


As American spies warn about the possibility of Russian-made fake videos and propaganda provocations to justify a new invasion of Ukraine in the coming weeks, the world doesn’t have to look far to see what a campaign of disinformation and provocations against Ukraine would look like. These stories, posted over the past few years, are examples of how that kind of campaign is playing out right now.


Since 2014, Secondary Infektion, a disinformation crew attributed to Russia by cybersecurity officials at Facebook and Reddit, has littered the internet with fake government documents and forged screenshots of nonexistent social media posts. Despite the group’s long pedigree and deep catalog of content, its forgeries and fakes have largely failed to move public opinion or organic engagement on social media. The content, however, offers a glimpse of how Moscow has tried to undermine Ukraine’s pro-Western government with provocation forgeries similar to those now expected by U.S. intelligence.


A review of Ukrainian social media posts over the past year by The Daily Beast shows 21 examples of fake stories planted by accounts using the Secondary Infektion playbook.


One narrative, which leveraged forged social media posts about Polish nationalists raping a Ukrainian woman as part of an initiation ritual, was posted on Nov. 8, 2021, by a fake “patriotic” Ukrainian Facebook page. Meta officials removed the page and attributed it to Secondary Infektion after The Daily Beast shared its findings with the company.


Separately, Reddit suspended six accounts last week after The Daily Beast identified them as possible Secondary Infektion sock puppets. Reddit suspended the accounts for violating the company’s terms of service prohibiting “manipulated content,” although company officials were not able to attribute the accounts to any particular entity. The company also suspended an additional seven accounts which pushed Secondary Infektion-like forgeries about Ukraine over the past year.

Many more fake personas posted to Ukrainian open forums, social media, and news sites used the same behavioral tics as Secondary Infektion trolls, but The Daily Beast was unable to formally attribute them to the group.


Taken together, the posts aim for similar goals: to paint Ukraine as irredeemably corrupt and ruled by an extremist far-right movement, divide and isolate Kyiv from important allies like Poland and Germany, and to pit nationalists in the country against minorities.


The U.S., Ukraine’s most important ally, features prominently in a number of Secondary Infektion-like posts. One article, published early in the Biden administration, sought to convince readers that Ukrainian President Volodomyr Zelensky couldn’t build a relationship with Washington because Zelensky’s political rivals held dirt on President Biden’s son Hunter and his business dealings in Ukraine. As evidence, trolls included a forged screenshot of a tweet from Texas Gov. Greg Abbott showing Biden embracing former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko—Zelensky’s political rival—warning about how he would “pander to a Third World country.”


Gov. Abbott’s Twitter account shows no record of having ever published such a tweet, and a spokesperson confirmed in an email that the post was a forgery.


The accounts posting the fake Abbott story used what’s become a well-known playbook for Secondary Infektion trolls. The trolls create accounts with stolen avatars the same day they share a post containing some kind of forgery. They post a story once on an open forum, blog, and social media, and never engage or show activity on those accounts again. While Reddit remains popular for Secondary Infektion trolls posting in several languages, the trolls tend to stick to a handful of dumping grounds that vary depending on the audience and language used.


In Ukraine, Secondary Infektion has tried to pit nationalists in Ukraine and Poland against each other in an attempt to isolate Kyiv from an increasingly important diplomatic and military ally. In articles posted in both Russian and Ukrainian in November 2021, Secondary Infektion trolls shared links to a Facebook post with a fake story that members of Poland’s far-right National Radical Camp had raped and murdered a 51-year-old Ukrainian woman as part of an initiation ritual for new members in the group.


The post was published by a Facebook page created in 2018 which purported to be a patriotic Ukrainian, pro-military group dedicated to offering “respect for the defenders of Ukraine.” The group, run out of Indonesia, according to a transparency blurb on the page, posted only occasional anodyne patriotic content for years until stepping out of character in November with screenshots of a purported text message relaying the rape story.


Meta officials quickly suspended the page after The Daily Beast brought it to their attention, and cybersecurity officials at the company assess with moderate confidence that the page was linked to Secondary Infektion, according to a Meta spokesperson.


When not trying to inflame relations between Ukraine and specific countries, sock puppets using Secondary Infektion-like tactics have also tried to use LGBT rights as a wedge issue to discredit it in the eyes of the West. An October 2021 post forged a letter from a Ukrainain gay rights group, LGBT Association LiGa, protesting a proposed tax on childlessness as discriminatory towards gay couples, who cannot legally adopt children or marry in Ukraine.


In a statement published to Facebook, LiGa officials confirmed that the story “this letter was printed on a letterhead that does not belong to LiGa and has incorrect contact details of our organization and a faked logo,” complete with an fake signature from the group’s chairperson, Oleg Alyokhin.


As Russia has conducted a nearly unprecedented mobilization of troops and weapons along the Ukrainian border over the past three months, Secondary Infektion-like trolls have slowly turned their attention to the brewing crisis with stories aimed at undermining Kyiv’s response.

One post, published to Reddit and Ukrainian blogs in early February, shared a phony leaked map purporting to show a “buffer zone” to be occupied by Polish troops in a secret agreement with the Zelensky administration to defend against Russia. The fake story, which warned that “large-scale territory will be separated from Ukraine for years,” appears to be an attempt to try and thwart the growing military cooperation between the countries as Russian threats have piled up.


Relations with Germany, which has proved cool to the Ukrainian government’s requests for arms as Russia's border buildup continues, have also been a frequent target for posts using Secondary Infektion’s methodology.


In an ironic turn, one post published last week spun a fake story leaked by a fictitious insider in the Ukrainian government leaking details of a U.S., U.K., and Ukrainian intelligence-run troll factory spreading anti-German memes on social media to discredit Berlin’s less than enthusiastic support of Ukraine amidst threats of renewed Russian aggression.


It’s still unclear whether Russia plans to invade Ukraine or use a phony pretext video as U.S. intelligence has warned. But Secondary Infektion’s inability to get traction for its various fakes and forgeries suggests that if Moscow does go ahead with a propaganda blitz, it’s like to face an audience with a healthy skepticism towards Russian-accented provocation.

Russian Sock Puppet Crew Faked Texas Guv Tweet About Biden Blackmail

[Backspin]

He's Australian, nothing to do with NATO or Europe. Try a different red herring.

Nice cop out. You don't want to recon with the fact that you are openly supporting war even when there's an easy peaceful solution right in front of your nose.

[Backspin]

Since nobody will answer the question , I'll answer it myself.

Even if I believed that the US had the ethical and intl law abiding high ground ( they don't) , if a treaty guaranteeing no Nato membership for Ukraine was all that was needed to put an end to this war , then I would support that treaty.

And if you don't support that treaty , you are a war mongering piece of shit with blood on your hands.