Ukraine war mega thread

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preparation for the dog house

What gets me most about backspit is that he tries so desperately to belong to a particular group and assigns labels cos he doesn't have the mental capacity to think things through. He's so desperate to appear contrary and edgy that it is really embarrassing for him.

For example, he's unable to process the idea that some of us were also against invading Iraq, and see the evils of the west, yet also recognise that dictatorships (China, Russia, North Korea) are even worse. I read his posts and he isn't bright enough to think in anything else but clearly defined parameters that he's seen on Youtube. Evidently, he's a man of low intellect who seeks to be considered intelligent by offering contrary opinions, but the reality is that the world isn't black and white and he just isn't very bright.

As Panama Hat pointed out above, most of us are willing to criticise our own countries and we regularly do so as a matter of course. Sadly, posters such as Ohno, Klongdick, sabang and backspin are either too scared to do it or just aren't very clever.

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Well said and spot on.

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Well said and spot on.

I know. It's because I'm really fucking clever.

[sabang]

So, find me something as monstrous that China or Russia has done in the current century as the invasion & decimation of Iraq, or the decimation of Libya- and i will gladly criticise it!


"Saying the US and China are equally bad is dumber than saying Nazis and Antifa are equally bad. Only one nation in the world is waging nonstop wars, circling the planet with hundreds of military bases, and working to destroy any nation which disobeys it. And it ain't China."
Caitlyn Johnstone

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So, find me something as monstrous that China or Russia has done in the current century as the invasion & decimation of Iraq, or the decimation of Libya- and i will gladly criticise it!


"Saying the US and China are equally bad is dumber than saying Nazis and Antifa are equally bad. Only one nation in the world is waging nonstop wars, circling the planet with hundreds of military bases, and working to destroy any nation which disobeys it. And it ain't China."
Caitlyn Johnstone

Shall we start with the Uyghurs?

The stage is all yours...

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Shall we start with the Uyghurs?

He claims that isn't a thing.

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So, find me something as monstrous that China or Russia has done in the current century as the invasion & decimation of Iraq, or the decimation of Libya- and i will gladly criticise it!


"Saying the US and China are equally bad is dumber than saying Nazis and Antifa are equally bad. Only one nation in the world is waging nonstop wars, circling the planet with hundreds of military bases, and working to destroy any nation which disobeys it. And it ain't China."
Caitlyn Johnstone

Btw, I'd say that the US are worse than China in the way it behaves and has behaved abroad. I have no problem with saying that and I'm sure that the likes of Snubs and Misskit, who are US citizens, would say the same too.

Why can't you say the same? That is the question we are asking.

Why are you so scared of criticising the government?

We all know the answer, don't we?

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He claims that isn't a thing.

Totally brainwashed, just like OhOh and Klongdick, and even he sounds petrified of challenging authority and the consequences.

Pathetic.

[sabang]

There is no genocide of the Uyghurs, full stop. Actually their population has been growing, even within Xinjiang SAR, faster than the Han. So if you repeat this appalling slander, you are just a tool and not treated seriously by me.

Repression- sure, albeit 'Reasons'- and being wildly exaggerated by the West. Human rights violations? well, probably- it's China innit! Western style inndividual human rights take a back seat to the collective there. So if you stay sensible and rational, I'm fine with it. But when you repeat blatant lies like good little guppies, please understand my scorn.

[panama hat]

Btw, I'd say that the US are worse than China in the way it behaves and has behaved abroad. I have no problem with saying that and I'm sure that the likes of Snubs and Misskit, who are US citizens, would say the same too.

As has been pointed out soooooooo many times

Why can't you say the same? That is the question we are asking.

Because . . . Klondyke, OhOh and sabang . . . (Let's not include Skidmark as he really doesn't understand what he's writing)

Shall we start with the Uyghurs?

Housed, educated, high standard of living . . . they should be grateful. Plus, they're immigrants from Turkey who took over Chinese land. FACT!

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There is no genocide of the Uyghurs, full stop.

I didn't see that coming.

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There is no genocide of the Uyghurs, full stop. .

I never used the word genocide in my post, and I am very careful about using that word, but thanks for proving my point.

You're a clearly intelligent man relegated to the levels of OhOh, Klongdick and backspin in your brainwashed fuckwittery.

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As has been pointed out soooooooo many times



Because . . . Klondyke, OhOh and sabang . . . (Let's not include Skidmark as he really doesn't understand what he's writing)

It's not rocket science, boys. We criticise our own countries and do so zealously when required and our own countries have clearly made mistakes.

Do the same and you'll have a modicum of respect for it (it's not 1977 and you won' be thrown in the gulag).

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There is no genocide of the Uyghurs, full stop. Actually their population has been growing, even within Xinjiang SAR, faster than the Han. So if you repeat this appalling slander, you are just a tool and not treated seriously by me.

Repression- sure, albeit 'Reasons'- and being wildly exaggerated by the West. Human rights violations? well, probably- it's China innit! Western style inndividual human rights take a back seat to the collective there. So if you stay sensible and rational, I'm fine with it. But when you repeat blatant lies like good little guppies, please understand my scorn.

Phaaark me. when did you become on OhOh clone???

[sabang]

No, other than the obvious fact that you are Not intelligent, you are the brainwashed fuckwit. I have provided plenty of evidence, including from western people actually living in China. you choose to ignore it, or just forget it because no brains. Well that's your problem fuckwit. There is no Uyghur genocide, full stop- you are being lied to and treated like idiots. By your own government and media sector. Nice.

Hey, I got some nice beachfront land in Arizona for sale. Oh, and I found Saddams WMD's, and the aluminium nuclear cooling tubes he was buying in the Congo (!!!). Just send me ten Bitcoin, and I'll Fedex them to ya Einstein.


Honestly, there's one born every second. Will you naive bumpkins ever learn?

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Wow. Sad to see the mental meltdown.


RIP Sabang.

[Saint Willy]

Former Hong Hong Banker believes his own hype and erroneously thinks he is an international man of critical thinking.

[sabang]

Truth hurts, dunnit? Anyway, I'm off for an early lunch, washed down by a nice bottle of aussie riesling- and I can assure you the last thing on my mind will be the utmost gullibility of humankind (yes, 'They' are equally propagandised, sigh). You lot should be grateful I'm not a conman! Got some actual stuff going on in the real world, so I'll leave y'all with this passing thought-


"The Entire World Should Be Laughing At America For Pretending To Care About Muslims In China"

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"The Entire World Should Be Laughing At America For Pretending To Care About Muslims In China"

ah yes now I understand why we shouldn't care. They are muslims..

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"The Entire World Should Be Laughing At America For Pretending To Care About Muslims In China"

False equivalence.

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Truth hurts, dunnit? Anyway, I'm off for an early lunch, washed down by a nice bottle of aussie riesling- and I can assure you the last thing on my mind will be the utmost gullibility of humankind (yes, 'They' are equally propagandised, sigh). You lot should be grateful I'm not a conman! Got some actual stuff going on in the real world, so I'll leave y'all with this passing thought-


"The Entire World Should Be Laughing At America For Pretending To Care About Muslims In China"

ibid

There's a quite obvious mistake in your first sentence that the party would be most unhappy about: the "nice bottle of Aussie riesling" wouldn't be allowed in any Communist country (unless it was for the elite, who are more equal than others).



So, how do you feel about this in the real world, Mr Champagne Sociialist?

[Backspin]

Good call Ukraine commander. Looks like the military brass is the sane ones and not the politicians.

"Liberation" of Donbass by power means will lead to mass loss of life among civilians and military personnel--this is unacceptable for Kiev, stated the Commander of the Ukrainian Armed Forces Ruslan Khomchak. "Being dedicated to universal human values and norms of humanitarian law , our state places the life of its citizens on the first place ", the press-center of Ukraine's General Staff quotes him. In accordance to Khomchak, Ukrainian political power considers political and diplomatic way of settlement around Donbass to be a priority.

[Backspin]

Here is a RAND report from 2019 that confirms it and even outlines scenarios and tactics that we are seeing today

RAND Corporation is an American nonprofit global policy think tankcreated in 1948 by Douglas Aircraft Company to offer research and analysis to the United States Armed Forces.


Overextending and Unbalancing Russia: Assessing the Impact of Cost-Imposing Options | RAND

The scenario in Ukraine:


“Providing lethal aid to Ukraine would exploit Russia’s greatest point of external vulnerability. But any increase in U.S. military arms and advice to Ukraine would need to be carefully calibrated to increase the costs to Russia of sustaining its existing commitment without provoking a much wider conflict in which Russia, by reason of proximity, would have significant advantages.”

Black Sea scenario:


” Black Sea buildup would involve deploying strengthened North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) anti-access and area denial over the Black Sea—perhaps in the form of long-range, land-based anti-ship missiles—to drive up the cost of defending Russian bases in Crimea. It’s all about “non-violent cost-imposing options” to “stress, over-extend, unbalance” Russia’s economy and armed forces.

[OhOh]

In a major conflict Russia could simply take over the whole of Ukraine and integrate it back into Mother Russia. That could be seen as a threat, though not a very serious one.

I suspect Russia has no desire to accept responsibility for ameristans cookie catastrophe.

The USA, one would hope, has no great desire to see this conflict escalate.

I suspect the delivery of weapons, military trainers, foreign Islamic throat slashers, the introduction of warships locally, CBGs in the eastern Med and continuous aircraft flights, indicates otherwise

In any case we can all feel some relief that calmer minds seemed to have prevailed.

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