Ukraine war mega thread

[Hugh Cow]

is Jack Matlock these days? US Ambassador to the Soviet Union 1987-1991, and subsequently George F. Keenan Professor in Foreign relations at Princeton University-



"Can the crisis be resolved by the application of common sense? Yes, after all, what Putin is demanding is eminently reasonable. He is not demanding the exit of any NATO member and he is threatening none. By any common sense standard it is in the interest of the United States to promote peace, not conflict. To try to detach Ukraine from Russian influence — the avowed aim of those who agitated for the “color revolutions” — was a fool’s errand, and a dangerous one. Have we so soon forgotten the lesson of the Cuban Missile Crisis?"



"An avoidable crisis that was predictable, actually predicted, willfully precipitated, but easily resolved by the application of common sense."
Jack Matlock Jr.


https://transnational.live/2022/05/28/jack-matlock-ukraine-crisis-should-have-been-avoided/

Unfortunately for you my dear Sabang, you are like the anti vaxxers. The vast majority of epidemiologists are pro vax but you have found some numnut who has an opposing view, to justify your stance so he is right and the 99% of experts are wrong.
You have never posted how NATO has ever threatened the Russians. You have never explained how the treaty that Russia signed to respect Ukraine sovereignity had somehow expired. Remind me how many Russians were attacked by Nato or Ukraine, of which has never taken one inch of Russian territory. Ukraine was absolutely no threat to Russia. Its one crime was that it wished to pivot towards the west rather than be a virtual vassal state controlled and influenced by Russia. For this Russia has killed thousands of men women and children needlessly. (I cant believe I am telling a grown man that this is wrong on every level). If you cannot see this you have lost any touch you may have had, with reality.

[bsnub]

If you cannot see this you have lost any touch you may have had, with reality.

Oh, make no doubt he has lost touch. He lives fully in a false reality.

[sabang]

You idiots.

[bsnub]

You idiots.

The only idiot is you. You are consumed by propaganda, and literally everything you have ever posted in these Ukraine war threads has been completely wrong. You epically claimed falsely that your god Putin would never invade, and you have been consistently wrong ever since.

Every day, you continue to embarrass and humiliate yourself, espousing dogma and utter nonsense.

You are rightfully lumped in with the other bozos, and collectively you constitute the Three Stooges. A bunch of circus clowns.

[sabang]

This war could and should have been avoided. The fact that it wasn't is an epic tragedy, and a colossal failure of Diplomacy. It has also spelt the death knell of any lingering perception of US unipolar hegemony.

[misskit]

^. Yes. Yes. Ok. Surely all wars could be avoided but too late now. Russia already invaded Ukraine.


Released Ukrainian soldiers accuse Russians of atrocities in prison

After one of the fiercest engagements in the war, three Ukrainian troops who claim they were injured and captured by Russia before being later freed, accused their captors of torturing and using psychological pressure.


Following Russia's invasion on February 24, the soldiers, who were a part of a group that fought for weeks from a sizable steelworks in the southern port of Mariupol, claimed during a news conference in Kyiv that their captors sought to force them to confess to atrocities against civilians.

The claims of the trio, who said they were taken prisoner by Russian soldiers, could not be independently corroborated by Reuters. An inquiry for comment was not immediately answered by the Russian defence ministry. Russia has already been charged with war crimes by Ukraine, but Moscow has refuted the claims.


Vladyslav Zhaivoronok, who lost a leg, said, "I was interrogated even before I started receiving antibiotics after my limb was amputated."

"The guys who were there were tortured. Some had needles inserted into their wounds, some were tortured with water, some received inadequate treatment " he explained.


The three individuals were traded for Russian POWs. Although the exact date of the exchange was not immediately known, Ukraine declared in June that Russia had released 144 prisoners.


Zhaivoronok served in the national guard's Azov Regiment. Azov included some individuals with far-right and ultranationalist roots.


Hundreds of Azov forces gave up in May after weeks of combat from the steelworks' tunnels and bunkers. The Russian Supreme Court declared the regiment to be a terrorist organisation on August 2, despite the fact that the Azov inmates have not yet received formal charges.


In order to demilitarise its smaller neighbour and safeguard Russian-speaking minorities, Russia invaded Ukraine in what it refers to as a "special military operation." Moscow is accused of pursuing an imperial-style war of conquest by Ukraine and its Western sponsors.

Released Ukrainian soldiers accuse Russians of atrocities in prison - World News

[panama hat]

You have never posted how NATO has ever threatened the Russians.

Words hurt, feelings hurt.

Remind me how many Russians were attacked by Nato or Ukraine, of which has never taken one inch of Russian territory.

Semantics

Ukraine was absolutely no threat to Russia.

Again, words hurt. Feelings hurt.

Its one crime was that it wished to pivot towards the west rather than be a virtual vassal state controlled and influenced by Russia.

This all started to come to a head when Ukraine and Georgia decided to leave the post-Soviet grouping of nations and Russia was all hurt by that (see above re. words hurt.)

How anyone can not know that Russia invaded unprovoked and killed tens of thousands of Ukrainian civilians and soldiers is absurd.

[panama hat]

This war could and should have been avoided.

Yes, by Russia not invading

The fact that it wasn't is an epic tragedy

True. Russia should leave and pay reparations

a colossal failure of Diplomacy.

Gunboat diplomacy Russian style . . . 'do as we say or be killed'

It has also spelt the death knell of any lingering perception of US unipolar hegemony.

Idiot. Deflecting and whataboutism while completely ignoring the murder of tens of thousands of Ukrainians.

[misskit]

More than 90% of Ukrainians proud to be citizens of Ukraine – poll



Some 90.4% of Ukrainians are proud to be citizens of Ukraine, according to sociology poll conducted on August 5-12 by the Ilko Kucheriv Democratic Initiatives Foundation jointly with the sociological service of the Razumkov Center.


The respondents were asked to what extend they are proud or not proud of being citizens of Ukraine. Some 1.6% said they are absolutely not proud, 3.8% are probably proud, 54.5% are very proud, and 4.2% could not answer.


Also, 67.8% said they consider Ukraine an indeed independent state, 15.7% do not consider Ukraine an indeed independent state, and 16.6% could not answer the question.


The respondents were also asked how they would vote if the referendum on the proclamation of the independence of Ukraine was held today. Some 87.5% sais they would vote in favor of independence, 3.2% would vote against, 5.5% would not participate in the referendum, and 3.9% could not answer.


Asked what unites people in the Ukrainian community today, 31.2% respondents said it is an aspiration for overcoming life hardships together, 27.5% said it is the feeling of loss of normal life, 48.1% - hope for a better future, 72.5% - hope for victory in the war, 23.7% - family and community feelings, 4.2% - dissatisfaction with the government, 14.5% - fear of the future, 12.8% - language of communication, 35.9% - patriotic sentiments, 3.7% - political opinions, 4.1% - religion, 3.9% - ethnicity, 0.6% - miscellaneous, 0.9% - nothing, and 1% could not answer.


The respondents were also asked whether during the years of independence of Ukraine there were more positive or negative things. Some 37.2% said that positive things prevailed, 40.5% said they were equal, 15.1% said that negative things prevailed, and 7.1% could not answer.


Asked whether they would like to build their future life in Ukraine, 62.9% said sure, 25.5% - probably yes, 3.4% - probably no, 0.8% - no, and 7.4% could not answer.


The survey was conducted by face-to-face interviews among people over 18 years throughout Ukraine, with the exception of the temporarily occupied territories of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and Donbas, as well as parts of Zaporizhia, Mykolaiv, Kharkiv regions. A total of 2,024 respondents were interviewed. The maximum theoretical sample error does not exceed 2.3%.

More than 90% of Ukrainians proud to be citizens of Ukraine – poll

[misskit]

VIDEO - Putin’s Secret Neo-Nazi Armies


Putin has long claimed that he is “denazifying” Ukraine, but these claims are hypocritical. In the early 00s, a wave of revolutions swept across countries in the former Soviet Union, calling for democratic reform and changing of political leadership. Fearing a similar uprising could start in Russia, Putin’s Kremlin clandestinely fostered relationships with far-right groups and ultra-nationalists in a policy that has been dubbed “managed nationalism”. These groups proved vital in turning Russia into the authoritarian regime that we see today. However, these relationships also proved useful in Russia exerting it’s power abroad, and has cultivated groups that will now fight abroad, and train foreign white supremacists – all with deadly consequences.

VIDEO Putin’s Secret Neo-Nazi Armies - VICE Video: Documentaries, Films, News Videos

[harrybarracuda]

This war could and should have been avoided.

Yes. Putin could and should have not invaded.

Very fucking simple.

[harrybarracuda]

VIDEO - Putin’s Secret Neo-Nazi Armies


Putin has long claimed that he is “denazifying” Ukraine, but these claims are hypocritical. In the early 00s, a wave of revolutions swept across countries in the former Soviet Union, calling for democratic reform and changing of political leadership. Fearing a similar uprising could start in Russia, Putin’s Kremlin clandestinely fostered relationships with far-right groups and ultra-nationalists in a policy that has been dubbed “managed nationalism”. These groups proved vital in turning Russia into the authoritarian regime that we see today. However, these relationships also proved useful in Russia exerting it’s power abroad, and has cultivated groups that will now fight abroad, and train foreign white supremacists – all with deadly consequences.

VIDEO Putin’s Secret Neo-Nazi Armies - VICE Video: Documentaries, Films, News Videos

Of course Putin has been enabling Russian Nazis for years. He's the worst kind of liar and hypocrite.

[HermantheGerman]

Of course Putin has been enabling Russian Nazis for years. He's the worst kind of liar and hypocrite.

...and that's why the Russian Fuehrer is called PUTLER.

[Backspin]

[baldrick]

and now the sun is conspiring against russia and blowing up its ammo dumps

[Backspin]

and now the sun is conspiring against russia and blowing up its ammo dumps

A handful of shots that are tactically and strategically irrelevant just to keep the western media in it.

Phase 3 and the siege of Nikolaev and possibly Kharkov has begun. Results will trickle into official media in the next 8 hours.

[harrybarracuda]

and now the sun is conspiring against russia and blowing up its ammo dumps

So careless smokers are in the clear now?

[Switch]

You idiots.

An excellent and lengthy diatribe that succinctly demonstrates your position, and your paucity of argument. Just a frisson of value judgement contained therein.

[sabang]

Brevity is the soul of wit.

[Switch]

Brevity is the soul of wit.

Not in the hands of a snake oil salesman.

[bsnub]

A handful of shots that are tactically and strategically irrelevant just to keep the western media in it.

Clueless as always.

Results will trickle into official media in the next 8 hours.

No they won't.

[panama hat]

Brevity is the soul of wit.

Says the person with by far the most posts here . . .

Perhaps you should think more about facts than your 'brevity'

[misskit]

Another assassination attempt on employee of occupation administration in Kherson

On August 22, 2022, an attempt was made on the life of Igor Telegin, an employee of the Russian-controlled occupation administration of Kherson region.


On Monday evening, Telegram channel "Ukraine Now" reported, citing intelligence sources, that at 18:20 Telegin's car was blown up. At the time, it was unclear whether or not he was injured.


On August 23, 2022, representatives of the occupation administration confirmed the assassination attempt, stating that Telegin was "alive and well."


"Ukraine Now" reports that Telegin is an associate of former Kherson mayor Volodymyr Saldo, who was declared head of the occupation administration. Russian state media described Telegin as deputy head of the administration's domestic policy department.


Assassination attempts on people cooperating with Russia are not uncommon in the Kherson region. On June 24, Dmitry Savluchenko, an employee of the region's "new authorities," was killed in a car bombing, and on August 6, Vitaly Gura, deputy head of the occupation administration of Novaya Kakhovka, was killed.


Volodymyr Saldo, head of the Russian-controlled Kherson Oblast occupation administration, was taken to a medical facility in Moscow in early August. According to unofficial reports, he was admitted with suspected poisoning.

https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/08/23...ion-in-kherson

[sabang]

Does that include the mercenaries?

[Switch]

Does that include the mercenaries?

It is clearly aimed at US citizens, as per the post.