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**ENT** · 09-12-2016, 11:06 PM

With no refs or figures to back up your claims, as is often the case, you now resort to even more name calling, all you're left with, typical.

Carry on.

**PeeCoffee** · 09-12-2016, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

^^^ Sabang: "Nevertheless, I am pleased to see that this thread has evolved into some sort of intelligent discourse, Long may it continue. I am aware that my open-mindedness..."

Sabang, didn't take long for this discourse to derail, did it.

**DrB0b** · 09-12-2016, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by DrB0b

ENT ...... highlighting one small aspect, in this case ODA, .... which is just a subset of bilateral aid"

LIAR

Read my post again, where it says;
""The figures shown are based onOECDmeasures and definitions of international aid.[2] Two OECD sub-types of aid are included - official development assistance(ODA), and official aid (OA) received'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...aid_recipients

Selective cognizance, eh Gob?

cough, cough, BILATERAL AID, Ent. What does that mean?

There seems to be some issue with your browser, by the way. You probably haven't noticed but that big block of text from the US State Department showing that you were talking utter and absolute nonsense seems to have disappeared from your reply. As, indeed, does your reply to it.

Just in case, here's that State Department quote again

Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. To date,the United States has provided Israel $121 billion (current, or non-inflation-adjusted, dollars) in bilateral assistance. Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance,
although in the past Israel also received significant economic assistance. Strong congressional
support for Israel has resulted in Israel receiving benefits not available to any other countries; for
example, Israel can use some U.S. military assistance both for research and development in the
United States and for military purchases from Israeli manufacturers. In addition, U.S. assistance
earmarked for Israel is generally delivered in the first 30 days of the fiscal year, while most other
recipients normally receive aid in installments, and Israel (as is also the case with Egypt) is
permitted to use cash flow financing for its U.S. arms purchases. In addition to receiving U.S.
State Department-administered foreign assistance, Israel also receives funds from annual defense
appropriations bills for rocket and missile defense programs. Israel pursues some of those
programs jointly with the United States.

In 2007, the Bush Administration and the Israeli government agreed to a 10-year, $30 billion
military aid package for the period from FY2009 to FY2018. During his March 2013 visit to
Israel, President Obama pledged that the United States would continue to provide Israel with
multi-year commitments of military aid subject to the approval of Congress.

The FY2014 Consolidated Appropriations Act (P.L. 113-76) provides the President’s full $3.1
billion request in FMF for Israel. In addition, it provides another $504 million in funding for
research, development, and production of Israel’s Iron Dome anti-rocket system ($235 million)
and of the joint U.S.-Israel missile defense systems David’s Sling ($149.7 million), the Arrow
improvement program (or Arrow II, $44.3 million), and Arrow III ($74.7 million).

For FY2015, the Administration is requesting $3.1 billion in FMF to Israel and $10 million in
Migration and Refugee Assistance. The Missile Defense Agency’s FY2015 request for joint U.S.-
Israeli programs is $96.8 million. The Administration also is requesting $175.9 million for Iron
Dome.

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/225106.pdf

**sabang** · 09-12-2016, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Sabang, didn't take long for this discourse to derail, did it.

No, it didn't. Take another bow, ent.

**DrB0b** · 09-12-2016, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by ENT

With no refs or figures to back up your claims, as is often the case, you now resort to even more name calling, all you're left with, typical.

Carry on.

Hmm, you got that report from the US State Department regarding aid to Israel. It was absolutely chockablock with figures and interesting quotes like this one

Almost all current U.S. aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance.5

5
For many years, U.S. economic aid helped subsidize a lackluster Israeli economy, but since the rapid expansion of
Israel’s high-tech sector and overall economy in the 1990s (sparked partially by U.S.-Israeli scientific cooperation), Israel has been considered a fully industrialized nation. Consequently, Israel and the United States agreed to gradually phase out economic grant aid to Israel. In FY2008, Israel stopped receiving bilateral Economic Support Fund (ESF) grants. It had been a large-scale recipient of grant ESF assistance since 1971.

I can only assume that as you haven't yet referred to it you must still be reading it. It is, after all , 30 densely packed pages of the kind of detail you're clamouring for.

Here's an interesting one from the same source, funding to aid Jewish refugees resettle in Israel. Who would have thought that was such a vital issue? It must be extremely effective as the number of Jewish refugees washing up on the beaches of the Western World is currently at an all-time low.

Migration & Refugee Assistance
Since 1973, Israel has received grants from the State Department’s Migration and Refugee
Assistance account (MRA)58 to assist in the resettlement of migrants to Israel. Funds are paid to
the United Israel Appeal, a private philanthropic organization in the United States, which in turn
transfers the funds to the Jewish Agency for Israel.59 Between 1973 and 1991, the United States
gave about $460 million for resettling Jewish refugees in Israel. Annual amounts have varied
from a low of $12 million to a high of $80 million, based at least partly on the number of Jews
leaving the former Soviet Union and other areas for Israel.
Table 3. Migration and Refugee Assistance Funding Levels
FY2000: $60 million
FY2001: $60 million
FY2003: $60 million
FY2004: $59.6 million
FY2005: $49.7 million
FY2006: $50 million
FY2007: $40 million
FY2008: $40 million
FY2009: $30 million
FY2010: $25 million
FY2011: $25 million
FY2012 $20 million
FY2013 $15 million
FY2014 $15 million
FY2015 Request $10 million
Source: U.S. State Department.

**stroller** · 10-12-2016, 01:57 AM

Let's cut this short:

ENT & Blaney, do you dispute that Israel has received a phenomenal amount of aid since its foundation?

**DrB0b** · 10-12-2016, 04:17 AM

Hmm, that's odd. Normally ENT responds within minutes. I hope he's OK. Most likely he's just read about some horrific Muslim sex crime on one of those weird fantasy sites he likes so much and masturbated himself into unconsciousness. Never mind, at his age it's a miracle he can still get into that state and I'm sure he'll be up and posting as soon as the dustmen arrive to clean out the alley he sleeps in.

**Sumbitch** · 10-12-2016, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by stroller

ENT & Blaney, do you dispute that Israel has received a phenomenal amount of aid since its foundation?

Yes but slowly and only after the War of Independence. Furthermore they've never needed it (the aid they got in the 1948 war was from the black market--Checkosolvakia for instance--ie illegally). Without aid they beat all the Arab countries then. Now Jordan and Egypt are no longer enemies. Additionally they are the most energetic, industrious and ingenious people on earth. So whatever aid they've gotten, legally and otherwise, has been used to further strengthen themselves. Therefore they have nothing to worry about. The more aid the more friends and the more obligations to their friends. The less aid the fewer obligations and the more worry. But no matter how worried they'll ever get it won't make a material difference in any future conflict. They'll win.

Now before you say anything about me personally I was only taking a pragmatic view. I wasn't talking about morality. My morality has nothing to do with this issue.

**DrB0b** · 10-12-2016, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by wjblaney

Originally Posted by stroller

ENT & Blaney, do you dispute that Israel has received a phenomenal amount of aid since its foundation?

Yes but slowly and only after the War of Independence. Furthermore they've never needed it (the aid they got in the 1948 war was from the black market--Checkosolvakia for instance--ie illegally). Without aid they beat all the Arab countries then. Now Jordan and Egypt are no longer enemies. Additionally they are the most energetic, industrious and ingenious people on earth. So whatever aid they've gotten, legally and otherwise, has been used to further strengthen themselves. Therefore they have nothing to worry about. The more aid the more friends and the more obligations to their friends. The less aid the fewer obligations and the more worry. But no matter how worried they'll ever get it won't make a material difference in any future conflict. They'll win.

Now before you say anything about me personally I was only taking a pragmatic view. I wasn't talking about morality. My morality has nothing to do with this issue.

If nobody else minds I'll post it this time,

**Maanaam** · 10-12-2016, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by wjblaney

My morality has nothing to do with this issue.

Morality has everything to do with the issue. While people support a rogue, criminal state, it's going to keep on being a rogue, criminal state.

**Sumbitch** · 10-12-2016, 07:10 AM

^ then fuck you DrBob

**DrB0b** · 10-12-2016, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by wjblaney

^ then fuck you DrBob

Capital T, comma after you, full stop at end. 3 out of 10. Do you have a first language?

**PeeCoffee** · 10-12-2016, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by stroller

Let's cut this short:

ENT & Blaney, do you dispute that Israel has received a phenomenal amount of aid since its foundation?

A phenomenal amount of aid to Israel from America. Seems predominantly for offensive and defensive military hardware (systems to intercept missiles aren't cheap).
It would seem that America has an ally or purchased an ally in the ME...going back to the Cold War cut-out of countries.
True. America got an ally where American forces are not commited for defense or offense.
Surely the USSR (now Russia) wished they had Israel in their pocket as opposed to the various regimes they aligned with 60 years ago.

Now look at the aid that has been provided to the Palestinian Authority.
I'm not referring to just the aid sent from America...but also the EC, Saudi Arabia, UK, UNRWA, (other UN agencies), UAE Red Crescent , NGOs, dozens of countries and aid organizations (excluding private donors).
So tell me - how much money does the PA get annually from all these sources?
You can make up your own mind or research where and what that aid got used for.

[Edit: typos]

**DrB0b** · 10-12-2016, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Originally Posted by stroller

Let's cut this short:

ENT & Blaney, do you dispute that Israel has received a phenomenal amount of aid since its foundation?

A phenomenol amount of aid to Israel from America. Seems predominantly for offensive and defensive military hardware (systems to intercept missiles aren't cheap).
It would seem that America has an ally or purchased an ally in the ME...going back to the Cold War cut-out of counties.
True. America got an ally where American forces are not commited for defense or offense.
Surely the USSR (now Russia) wished they had Israel in their pocket as opposed to the various regimes they aligned with 60 years ago.

Now look at the aid that has been provided to the Palestinian Authority.
I'm not referring to just the aid sent from America...but also the EC, Saudi Arabia, UK, UNRWA, (other UN agencies), UAE Red Crescent , NGOs, dozens of countries and aid organizations (excluding private donors).
So tell me - how much money does the PA get annually from all these sources?

You're the one trying to make a point here, you tell us. If you don't already know then what are you basing your post on? If you do already know then why don't you just come out with the bloody answer?

**ENT** · 10-12-2016, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by stroller

Let's cut this short:

ENT & Blaney, do you dispute that Israel has received a phenomenal amount of aid since its foundation?

Nope.

**PeeCoffee** · 10-12-2016, 09:51 AM

DrB0b:
[/QUOTE] Gosh. Guess what? I went to this awesome site called google and typed this in, "israeli secular jews v fundamentalist jews birth rate". You'll be astounded to learn that it came back with loads of stuff related to the query I typed in. Amazing, eh? I think you might find that that the same technique could also help you find answers to many of the other questions you've asked here.[/QUOTE]

Google 'Financial Aid to the Palestiinan Authority'...sadly they can not account for total monies received and total disbursements.

**ENT** · 10-12-2016, 10:23 AM

There's a list of aid donors to the Palestine Authority, various donors including US aid up until 2014...check this site refr. below.

Mahmoud Abbas, President of the Palestinian Authority and Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), and the governments of Egypt and Norway, at the conclusion of the Oct. 12, 2014 Cairo International Conference on Palestine: Reconstructing Gaza, attended by 63 states and 18 international organizations, in a document titled "Conclusions by the Chair," available from Ministry of Foreign Affairs, wrote:

"The participants pledged approximately USD 5.4 billion, half of which will be dedicated for Gaza reconstruction, and committed themselves to start disbursing their assistance as soon as possible in order to bring about rapid improvements to the daily lives of the Palestinians. The Chair urges the international community to honour its pledges and to provide generous support over the next years.

The Conference also welcomed pledges of important in-kind assistance. The EU announced its readiness to provide operational support on the ground, including a presence at points of entry and exit, and training and assistance in capacity-building, as well as its readiness to explore options for supporting a land link between the West Bank and Gaza, and a maritime link with the outside world."
How Much International Aid Do the Palestinian Territories Receive? - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org

**Maanaam** · 10-12-2016, 10:41 AM

^

Your attempt to divert attention away from Israel is funny in that it shows that the aid to Palestine is largely for RECONSTRUCTION after the Israeli murderers raized it to the ground!

So, in a nutshell, the US gives money to Israel for weapons, then a fair amount less to Palestine to rebuild after those weapons destroyed Gaza.

**PeeCoffee** · 10-12-2016, 10:58 AM

Why did the Israeli military take action 2014 in Gaza ?

(The real reason based on factual information.)

How is Hamas funded and fully operational in Gaza ?

**ENT** · 10-12-2016, 10:58 AM

^^ Must be a good deal for the US.

But if you read the referenced article, it's not about US aid alone, but about the phenomenal sums of money donated by the World Bank, EU, Arab countries (minimal, why's that?) and other nations.

Would you like to tell us about the ongoing Israeli aid to the PA?

**PeeCoffee** · 10-12-2016, 11:36 AM

There are many wrongs in the history of the world...past and present.

If the world sincerely wants to right all of the wrongs then that is fine.

Reality dictates to choose one's fight(s) carefully.
History in hindsight reveals the larger picture with greater clarity.
To replace an intelligent, 'western', liberal society albeit predominantly Jewish nation of 8 million citizens (surrounded north, east and south by over 400 million predominantly Islamic citizens) with another Islamic nation is not a fight I believe is best for the future of the world.

I might be wrong but I'm not willing to take the gamble in light of what is on the present world's plate.

**Maanaam** · 10-12-2016, 11:56 AM

^ So the Israelis had better stop their criminal aggression and make peace.

**Maanaam** · 10-12-2016, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by ENT

^^ Must be a good deal for the US.

But if you read the referenced article, it's not about US aid alone, but about the phenomenal sums of money donated by the World Bank, EU, Arab countries (minimal, why's that?) and other nations.

Would you like to tell us about the ongoing Israeli aid to the PA?

It's very good for the US. Most of the monetary military aid is given on condition that Israel spends it on US arms.

**Neverna** · 10-12-2016, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by wjblaney

Originally Posted by stroller

ENT & Blaney, do you dispute that Israel has received a phenomenal amount of aid since its foundation?

Yes but slowly and only after the War of Independence.

Hang on, I'm off to find a triple face-palm meme.

I'm back ...

**ENT** · 10-12-2016, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by ENT

^^ Must be a good deal for the US.

But if you read the referenced article, it's not about US aid alone, but about the phenomenal sums of money donated by the World Bank, EU, Arab countries (minimal, why's that?) and other nations.

Would you like to tell us about the ongoing Israeli aid to the PA?

It's very good for the US. Most of the monetary military aid is given on condition that Israel spends it on US arms.

True enough.

So very little US aid to Israel is spent on boosting Israel's economy compared with how much the PA and Hamas receive to boost theirs, yet with no apparent benefit to its people, other than to its criminal millionaire leadership.

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