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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna
    wjblaney = idiot, ignoramus or troll.
    You're so full of shit Nevermind, your mouth writes checks that your ass can't cash...

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    Israel never received any financial support either.
    The US imposed an arms embargo on the Middle East on Dec. 5, 1947. "Otherwise the Arabs might use arms of US origin against the Jews or Jews might use them against Arabs," The embargo remained in place throughout the war.

    “The Master said, At fifty, I knew what were the biddings of Heaven. At sixty, I heard them with docile ear. At seventy, I could follow the dictates of my own heart; for what I desired no longer overstepped the boundaries of right.”

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    On 12 January 1949 France recognized the existence of Israel and supported the decision for Israel to join the United Nations. In 1953 France started selling French weapons to Israel and became one of the closest allies and supporters of Israel[citation needed]. France then shared with Israel a strategic interest against radical Arab nationalism, as it had to cope with nationalist sentiment in its Algerian territories. During the late 1950s France supplied Israel with the Mirage - Israel's most advanced aircraft to date and their first serious combat aircraft. In October 1957 an agreement was signed between France and Israel about the construction of the nuclear power plant in Israel, which was completed in 1963. Future Israeli President Shimon Peres was the politician who brokered the deal. In Michael Karpin's 2001 documentary A Bomb in the Basement, Abel Thomas, chief of political staff for France's defense minister at the time said Francis Perrin, head of the French Atomic Energy Commission, advised then-Prime Minister Guy Mollet that Israel should be provided with a nuclear bomb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjblaney View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna
    wjblaney = idiot, ignoramus or troll.
    You're so full of shit Nevermind, your mouth writes checks that your ass can't cash...
    Compared to yours, blaney, my ass is rich. And your mouth, well, you have a bad dose of halitosis that has the same smell as the shite in your head. That fasting sure fucked you up - not that you were anything like smart before it.

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    Oh dear, another tender TD bromance is developing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna
    Compared to yours, blaney, my ass is rich. And your mouth, well, you have a bad dose of halitosis that has the same smell as the shite in your head. That fasting sure fucked you up - not that you were anything like smart before it.
    Couldn't get past the witty slur and finish reading the post, eh dude? You cum sucking cock sucker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjblaney View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna
    Compared to yours, blaney, my ass is rich. And your mouth, well, you have a bad dose of halitosis that has the same smell as the shite in your head. That fasting sure fucked you up - not that you were anything like smart before it.
    Couldn't get past the witty slur and finish reading the post, eh dude? You cum sucking cock sucker.


    Drunk again, blaney? How many gallons of water this time?


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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    The largest ever beneficiary of Foreign aid worldwide is..... (wait for it) ............... Israel.



    Top ten list of foreign aid recipients, (in millions US$).

    Afghanistan....6.725.0
    Vietnam.........4,115.7
    Ethiopia,,,,,,,,, 3.261.3
    Israel.............3,070.0
    Turkey............3,033.1
    Congo............2,859.3
    Tanzania.........2,831.8
    Kenya............2,654.0
    Cote d'Ivoire..2,635.6
    Nigeria...........1,915.8

    From;
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...aid_recipients

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    The largest ever beneficiary of Foreign aid worldwide is..... (wait for it) ............... Israel.



    Top ten list of foreign aid recipients, (in millions US$).

    Afghanistan....6.725.0
    Vietnam.........4,115.7
    Ethiopia,,,,,,,,, 3.261.3
    Israel.............3,070.0
    Turkey............3,033.1
    Congo............2,859.3
    Tanzania.........2,831.8
    Kenya............2,654.0
    Cote d'Ivoire..2,635.6
    Nigeria...........1,915.8

    From;
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    Oh, so Israel is fourth (by the measures above) after 2 countries that the US destroyed and one that is a natural disaster zone in terms of famine, while Israel, the so-called thriving, modern country, receives aid for what exactly?

    I daresay the claim you call BS to is made without considering "Two OECD sub-types of aid are included - official development assistance (ODA), and official aid (OA) received.[3] " (ie real humanitarian aid) which ARE included in the figures you posted.
    Just guessing

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    Also, ENT 'forgot' to mention that the figures he pasted are for only one single year - 2012.

    Disingenuous debating at its best...

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    What is the cumulative total? Israel gets billions annually from the USA.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam
    Oh, so Israel is fourth (by the measures above)
    Yes-
    "This is a list of foreign aid recipients based on the official development assistance (ODA) they have received for the given year."

    The figure quoted is for the year 2013.

    Israel is, and remains, the largest recipient of foreign aid in the history of the world- by far. This is not even counting the private donations coming from the Jewish diaspora worldwide- which are enormous (and tax deductible). Also, somehow military aid seems to fly under the radar, as far as "official development aid" is concerned.

    Whatever the Real figures are for the nett amount of foreign aid that has flowed to Israel, they are mind boggling. Enough to make the desert bloom.

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    AFAIK the only reason you all are debating the foreign aid received by Israel is to prove or disprove the point that Israel's worldwide support is increasing or decreasing. To what purpose?

    • Israel have enough money
    • Israel have enough weapons
    • Worldwide support or condemnation means feck all

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    No, it's YOUR claim that Israel persevered without support which started this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam
    Oh, so Israel is fourth (by the measures above)
    Yes-
    "This is a list of foreign aid recipients based on the official development assistance (ODA) they have received for the given year."

    The figure quoted is for the year 2013.

    Israel is, and remains, the largest recipient of foreign aid in the history of the world- by far.
    Rubbish.

    "The figures shown are based onOECD measures and definitions of international aid.[2] Two OECD sub-types of aid are included - official development assistance(ODA), and official aid (OA) received'
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...aid_recipients


    Quote your source, and provide more recent figures.............IF you can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    What is the cumulative total? Israel gets billions annually from the USA.


    I would think that the column stating Military Grant just about sums up what the "aid" actually is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller
    No, it's YOUR claim that Israel persevered without support which started this.
    Only before and during the War of Independence and only after one of the Arabs--Maa'man, I think--asserted that it made me a bad man to like Israel and Israelis.

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    From more recent figures gleaned from'

    Net official development assistance and official aid received (current US$) | Data

    Israel received
    US$105,260,000 last year., half of the figure reported for 2013


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    Quote Originally Posted by PeeCoffee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    What is the cumulative total? Israel gets billions annually from the USA.


    I would think that the column stating Military Grant just about sums up what the "aid" actually is.
    Around the same amount given to Turkey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam
    Oh, so Israel is fourth (by the measures above)
    Yes-
    "This is a list of foreign aid recipients based on the official development assistance (ODA) they have received for the given year."

    The figure quoted is for the year 2013.

    Israel is, and remains, the largest recipient of foreign aid in the history of the world- by far.
    Rubbish.

    "The figures shown are based onOECD measures and definitions of international aid.[2] Two OECD sub-types of aid are included - official development assistance(ODA), and official aid (OA) received'
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...aid_recipients


    Quote your source, and provide more recent figures.............IF you can.


    Ah. When ENT says "rubbish" the rest of us know that that means somebody else has just said something that's true. I also note that, as usual, Ent attempts to fudge statistics (or as we say in normal English "ENT is telling lies") by highlighting one small aspect, in this case ODA, in the hope of pretending that it is in fact the whole . The phrase the mendacious little toad is avoiding is "bilateral aid", which covers all aid given by one country to another and is far larger than ODA, development assistance, which is just a subset of bilateral aid"


    Conveniently the US State Department has published a document with the interesting title "US Foregn Aid to Israel". I wonder what that might be about

    It contains the following interesting snippet,

    Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. To date,the United States has provided Israel $121 billion (current, or non-inflation-adjusted, dollars) in bilateral assistance. Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance,
    although in the past Israel also received significant economic assistance. Strong congressional
    support for Israel has resulted in Israel receiving benefits not available to any other countries; for
    example, Israel can use some U.S. military assistance both for research and development in the
    United States and for military purchases from Israeli manufacturers. In addition, U.S. assistance
    earmarked for Israel is generally delivered in the first 30 days of the fiscal year, while most other
    recipients normally receive aid in installments, and Israel (as is also the case with Egypt) is
    permitted to use cash flow financing for its U.S. arms purchases. In addition to receiving U.S.
    State Department-administered foreign assistance, Israel also receives funds from annual defense
    appropriations bills for rocket and missile defense programs. Israel pursues some of those
    programs jointly with the United States.

    In 2007, the Bush Administration and the Israeli government agreed to a 10-year, $30 billion
    military aid package for the period from FY2009 to FY2018. During his March 2013 visit to
    Israel, President Obama pledged that the United States would continue to provide Israel with
    multi-year commitments of military aid subject to the approval of Congress.

    The FY2014 Consolidated Appropriations Act (P.L. 113-76) provides the President’s full $3.1
    billion request in FMF for Israel. In addition, it provides another $504 million in funding for
    research, development, and production of Israel’s Iron Dome anti-rocket system ($235 million)
    and of the joint U.S.-Israel missile defense systems David’s Sling ($149.7 million), the Arrow
    improvement program (or Arrow II, $44.3 million), and Arrow III ($74.7 million).

    For FY2015, the Administration is requesting $3.1 billion in FMF to Israel and $10 million in
    Migration and Refugee Assistance. The Missile Defense Agency’s FY2015 request for joint U.S.-
    Israeli programs is $96.8 million. The Administration also is requesting $175.9 million for Iron
    Dome.
    http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/225106.pdf


    We can now look forward to the idiot Ent's usual childish response when he's shown to be a fool and a liar (again).
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    ENT ...... highlighting one small aspect, in this case ODA, .... which is just a subset of bilateral aid"

    LIAR


    Read my post again, where it says;
    ""The figures shown are based onOECDmeasures and definitions of international aid.[2] Two OECD sub-types of aid are included - official development assistance(ODA), and official aid (OA) received'
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...aid_recipients


    Selective cognizance, eh Gob?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    LIAR
    Yes Ent, LIAR. Exposed in the spotlight. Take a bow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    LIAR
    Yes Ent, LIAR. Exposed in the spotlight. Take a bow.
    Glad you approve of my post...

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    The only thing I approve of about your posts, or you as an individual, is providing a convenient stooge to point out the lies, bigotry and hypocrisy of you and your type. So I can thank you for that at least- you're a patsy.

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