Thread: Arab social media is full of the filth

Being opposed to the ongoing and illegal occupation of Palestine also has nothing to do with hatred. But you're trying to justify hatred.

Originally Posted by wjblaney

But you're trying to justify hatred.

How Christianly turn-the-other-cheek of you.
So if you had your village bulldozed and your water supply diverted to the illegal settlers that the occupiers of your land encouraged, you would still have pity and love for said occupiers and settlers?

I don't think anyone can blame the Palestinians for any amount of hatred towards the Israelis.

This after a Jewish 'homeland' was carved out of your ancestral land, without your volition or consent, or even consultation. A deal done over there in Europe. I suppose it is fair to say an amount of resentment and begrudgement is both guaranteed and inevitable- just put yourself in the same place. But now the Israeli's even occupy and brutalise the neighbouring rump state of Palestine- how Nice,

But the blowback does not only fall on the Israeli's, or Jewish people. Listen to the words of America's latest Secretary of Defence, under President Trump:-

Top US General: ‘World hate US for backing Israel’

On July 20, 2013, Gen. James Mattis, 62, former Marine commander and head of US Central Command in Middle East, was interviewed by a panel headed by CNN’s Jewish talk-show host, Wolf Issac Blitzer. The interview was conducted alive at the Jewish-controlled Aspen Institute, Colorado. Mattis was grilled over his opinions on Iran, Syria, Iraq and the Israel-Palestine conflict.

During the hour-long interview, Mattis, who retired on June 1, 2013, was very blunt revealing US military frustrations and perspectives rarely heard from such high-ranking officials.

He warned the Zionist regime that if John Kerry’s current efforts fails, Israel will become an apartheid state in the eyes of entire world. He also said that world resentment of US support for Israel hurts America militarily throughout the region.

“I paid a military-security price every day as the commander of the CentCom because the American were seen as biased in support of Israel,” said Mattis.

Mattis observation was not much different than his predecessor, as chief of CentCom, Gen. David Petreus, known as Zionism’s military poodle. As result, the Jewish lobby turned against him. In November 2012, Petraeus was forced to retired as head of CIA over a sex scandal geared by the lobby.

Gen. Mattis also warned that US military involvement in Syria would lead to “a full-throated, very, very serious war”.

“We need to be very clear about our (post-Assad) military end state and political end state. Otherwise you’ll invade a country, pull down a statue, and say, ‘Now what do we do?‘” Mattis said.

Mattis said he was against “no-fly zone” over Syria or supplying (advanced) military aid to the rebels – because it wouldn’t bring down Assad regime which is supported by Syrian army, Iran and Hizbullah.

On Iran’s nuclear program, Mattis said that Iranian have the capability to produce their first nuclear bomb within a year, if country’s Supreme Leader Ayatullah Ali Khamenie, decides to do that.

“I don’t believe Iran’s leader (Ayatollah Ali Khamenei) has made the decision. If he does, I am not completely confident that we would know immediately. I don’t think we’d know right away,” Mattis said.

Mattis said ultimately, the only real resolution to Iran’s nuclear program will be a diplomatic one.

Responding to Blitzer’s question “if war on Iraq was worth it”, he said: “If Iraq, sitting in the geo-strategic center of the Middle East, continues to mature in a democratic way, then I would say yes“.

Blitzer, like many other Israel-Firsters fear that Iraq under prime minister al-Maliki has become Iran’s greatest Arab ally.

Philip Zelkow, Jewish executive director of the 9/11 Commission, told a University of Virginia audience on September 10, 2002, that Saddam Hussein was not a direct threat to the United States. “The real threat,” he argued, was “the threat against Israel”. He went on to say, “And this is the threat that dare not speak its name, because the European don’t care deeply about that threat – And the American government doesn’t want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it’s not a popular sell”.

Throughout his talk, Mattis championed the role diplomacy plays in military engagements throughout the world, saying “not a week went by, not a day went by when I didn’t talk to the 20-odd ambassadors in my region.”

Thomas E. Ricks, journalist and senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security (CNAS), a pro-Israel advocacy group, claims that “Gen. Mattis was forced out for asking tough questions on Iran,” reported by Business Insider, January 23, 2013.

Jeffrey Goldberg, former Israeli prison-guard turned journalist at The Atlantic, in an article at Jewish Bloomberg (July 25, 2013), said that though Israel is a democracy within its borders, it practice double standard in the West Bank, but their Arab neighbors – people who sometimes live mere yards away – are under military occupation, without the same rights. Is not it USrael which prop-up and support military dictators and absolute kings in the region? And what about Israel’s veteran columnist, Gideon Levi, who called Israel; a half democracy? Then Goldberg applied one of Israeli propagandists favorite lie. “The Arabs uniformly fear and loathe Iran more than they fear and loathe Israel,” he said. It seem Goldberg believes Syrian, Iraqis, Lebanese and people in Bahrain – are not Arabs!

Read some of Gen. James “Mad Dog” Mattis’ famous quotes, here.
https://rehmat1.com/2013/07/26/top-u...acking-israel/

Israel's biggest mentor, and probably the only reason that it survives as a nation state to this day, is the USA. The damage it has done to American interests and credibility worldwide is incalculable- not to mention the taxpayers funds annually frittered away on the promise of a Peace that never comes. What better uses could they have been put to?

Right...

Originally Posted by sabang

This after a Jewish 'homeland' was carved out of your ancestral land, without your volition or consent, or even consultation. A deal done over there in Europe. I suppose it is fair to say an amount of resentment and begrudgement is both guaranteed and inevitable- just put yourself in the same place. But now the Israeli's even occupy and brutalise the neighbouring rump state of Palestine- how Nice,

But the blowback does not only fall on the Israeli's, or Jewish people...

So essentially it would be the fault of Britain for back-stabbing and lying to all parties involved during WW1 and further continued after the defeat of the Ottoman Empire onwards through WW2.

You can put some blame on France for points further east but ultimately the buck stops at Britain's doorstep for taking over control of a territory that was well regulated, subjugated, ruled and governed for 400 years by the Ottomans.

Was it not British trained and British equipped Arab League forces that suffered a humiliating defeat after attacking during the 1948 conflict ?

There certainly must be a strong undercurrent of dissatisfaction among certain elements of the territories populus towards Britain as the British decided in favour of aligning with the brutal dictatorships under the House of Hashim (Hashemite) banner.

Of course two wrongs never made it right, eh.

Yup, there is resentment against the UK too- well earned. I suppose it's just duller because it's a fair bit older- Britain is quite vocal about supporting the two state solution now. The reason there are two states out of what is once Palestine dates back to the zionist project- but was given a major boost by the Balfour Agreement- and of course the Holocaust, WW2. Lets not forget all of these events and machinations had nothing to do with the Palestinians, who had their homeland sold from under them.

...and lets not let the Romans or Crusaders off the hook so easily either. ;-)

Peace my friend.

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...neither of whom are still around.

Don't tell the Muslims that, they'll be disappointed...

Originally Posted by sabang

This after a Jewish 'homeland' was carved out of your ancestral land, without your volition or consent, or even consultation. A deal done over there in Europe.

So the Balfour / Hussein letters and consultation didn't exist?

Originally Posted by sabang

Jewish people can yell 'antisemitism' all they want, but as long as the Occupation continues they are pissing on the wrong tree.

You can have a Two State, Three State, or even Four State solution. The muslims will ALWAYS piss on your tree.

Are you seriously saying that there will be Peace with a Two State solution and Israel will be better off ? Maybe the jews will once again experience a period of tolerance . And maybe they can have another pogrom and once again wear their giyar like the good ole days in the Golden Age.

Originally Posted by sabang

the documents of the Cairo Geniza, are no less important as Jewish exemplars of the Jewish-Muslim coexistence that reigned for several centuries during the Islamic high Middle Ages.

- A genizah document from 1121 gives the following description of decrees issued in Baghdad: Two yellow badges [are to be displayed], one on the headgear and one on the neck. Furthermore, each Jew must hang round his neck a piece of lead with the word Dhimmi on it. He also has to wear a belt round his waist. The women have to wear one red and one black shoe and have a small bell on their necks or shoes.
- In 1066 a Muslim mob murdered nearly 4000 Jews in Granada (the first major pogrom to occur in Europe)

Of course the Jews had a breather during the Golden Age, when you consider they where slaughtered by Mohamed (as the Hadiths proof) before, and butchered later by Christians. But speaking of a peaceful coexistence with Muslims is macabre. Ahh never mind...lets move on to reality.


In the mean time, the Prophet Erdgan is making Turkey an apartheid State and no one is noticing. Isn't that strange . And guess what....? They too have bulldozers and artillery.

The lives of an estimated half million people forcibly displaced in harsh security crackdowns across southeast Turkey have been devastated and left to uncertainty, Amnesty International said in a report on Tuesday, in what "may amount to collective punishment." Turkish security forces responded with draconian force, destroying several towns and neighborhoods and imposing curfews.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Are you seriously saying that there will be Peace with a Two State solution and Israel will be better off ?

Yes- well one state or two state, not up to me. It will open up massive trade opportunities for Israel (don't take my word for it- check the words of Pres, Shimon Peres and other prominent Israeli's), get it diplomatically recognised by some 47 nations worldwide that do not currently recognise it, enable one to travel the world on an Israeli passport, and remove the steam from most Palestinian, Arabic and Islamic resistance and hatred. It will go a long way towards neutering a legacy of Hatred and Violence, and furthermore assist the USA, Jewish diaspora, Western world in general. And the values we represent, and supposedly stand for.

But of course in your world Herman, there is no such thing as a positive right, no such thing as a solution? Perhaps you might look a bit closer at the legacy of your own nation, and how that has changed. Hopefully you will be enabled to whistle a more positive tune.

Originally Posted by sabang

Lets not forget all of these events and machinations had nothing to do with the Palestinians, who had their homeland sold from under them.

What do you mean by "sold"?

Originally Posted by sabang

Yes- well one state or two state, not up to me.

It is one state now so what's your point?

Like, d'ohhh. What do you mean by what?

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

In the mean time, the Prophet Erdgan is making Turkey an apartheid State and no one is noticing.

Don't you just love how the strong man is dealing with terrorism, Herman?

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

In the mean time, the Prophet Erdgan is making Turkey an apartheid State and no one is noticing. Isn't that strange . And guess what....? They too have bulldozers and artillery.
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The lives of an estimated half million people forcibly displaced in harsh security crackdowns across southeast Turkey have been devastated and left to uncertainty, Amnesty International said in a report on Tuesday, in what "may amount to collective punishment." Turkish security forces responded with draconian force, destroying several towns and neighborhoods and imposing curfews.

Ah, yes, of course. When Israel's crimes become indefensible, look around for other criminal actions and say, "Look, others are doing it too!" as if to somehow justify Israel's crimes.

I daresay Erdogan has taken a leaf out of Netanyahu's book, as far as collective punishment goes.

Do you also think that Saudi's ongoing massacre and ethnic cleansing of Yemenis is inspired by Netanyahu too?

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Ah, yes, of course. When Israel's crimes become indefensible, look around for other criminal actions and say, "Look, others are doing it too!" as if to somehow justify Israel's crimes.

The only justification I need is the Jewish Diaspora followed by centuries upon centuries of worldwide pogroms and to top it off...the Holocaust.

Originally Posted by wjblaney

The only justification I need is the Jewish Diaspora followed by centuries upon centuries of worldwide pogroms and to top it off...the Holocaust.

"70 years ago, in Europe, my great grandfather suffered at the hands of a nasty German guy, therefore I am entitled to brutalise and steal the lands of native people in the Middle East."

Sounds reasonable and just, don't you think?

A sort of variation on the sins of the father idea in the Old Testament. (Thus Jewish Tanakh)


"Exodus 34:6-7 “The Lord passed before him and proclaimed, “The Lord, the Lord, a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness, keeping steadfast love for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but who will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children’s children, to the third and the fourth generation.”

Originally Posted by wjblaney

Now I will presume "one-state" to mean a Palestinian state.

No, I don't. Currently, Israel and Palestine are states, both UN recognised- but Israel is occupying and colonising Palestine, illegally. That is the current situation. The solution?

There is the one state solution- Israel and Palestine merge, and become one nation state with Citizens from both entities.
Or, there is the two state solution- Israel and Palestine are separate nation states- which of course means that Israel ceases the illegal Occupation, currently under the auspices of the Oslo accords. This is the 'solution' being pushed by the UN and most nations, while the opposite is happening on the ground in Palestine- and has been happening for many years.

Thus I find myself more and more open to the one state solution.

But the bottom line is, I don't care. It is about granting human and legal rights, and basic human dignity, to the oppressed Palestinians to me- not about which solution is entailed. As I have repeatedly said, a national Referendum should be held on the matter in Israel. Let the People decide.

Clear now? It might have been clearer if you had deemed it worthy to have read previous posts, from myself and others.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

In the mean time, the Prophet Erdgan is making Turkey an apartheid State and no one is noticing. Isn't that strange . And guess what....? They too have bulldozers and artillery.
Quote:
The lives of an estimated half million people forcibly displaced in harsh security crackdowns across southeast Turkey have been devastated and left to uncertainty, Amnesty International said in a report on Tuesday, in what "may amount to collective punishment." Turkish security forces responded with draconian force, destroying several towns and neighborhoods and imposing curfews.

Ah, yes, of course. When Israel's crimes become indefensible, look around for other criminal actions and say, "Look, others are doing it too!" as if to somehow justify Israel's crimes.

I daresay Erdogan has taken a leaf out of Netanyahu's book, as far as collective punishment goes.

Ever since Islam arose, Jews have been their scapegoat.

Self defence in the form of compliance as dhimmis being their only option.

As Jews moved into Palestine, buying land from Arab owners, they created work which Arabs needed and flocked to, no problems arose for years until Arabs first rioted and started attacking and murdering the new Palestinian Jews from 1920 onwards.

Time after time, Arabs attacked Jews, their businesses and farms, culminating in the massacres of 1936-9 riots, where 415 Jews were killed against 5,000 Arab deaths'

That the result of the newly formed Arab High Command led by Hussein the grand mufti. This well armed body of newly united Arab groups attacked any non-Arab in Palestine if they could get away with it, British troops or Jewish settlers, at a huge cost to their own.

The 1947-8 War of Independence saw Arab forces again attacking en masse, and again repulsed by Jewish forces, this time as Israelis.

Ever since, Arabs have provoked and attacked Israel, to the extent that Israeli forces had to repeatedly chase Arab terrorists out of Israel. Subsequent wars and attacks initiated by Arab states and their terrorists have likewise seen disastrous losses on both sides, 25,000 Jews/Israelis killed to 78,000 Arab dead.

Arab rhetoric and Arab instigated conflict and attacks on Israel, Jews, soldiers or civilians have not ceased, ever.

So if Israel strikes back using any method to either incapacitate Arab forces or individuals, it's only to be expected.

Arabs running around screaming about it after the fact is also only to be expected, it's the norm for them, as they don't seem to realize that persisting in their violent behaviour will only result in retribution.

The problem is most likely due to congenital mental deficiency inherent in the Arab and Muslim population in general, resulting in chronic and gross cognitive impairment.

Originally Posted by wjblaney

The only justification I need is the Jewish Diaspora followed by centuries upon centuries of worldwide pogroms and to top it off...the Holocaust.

So that justifies them acting the same way to others?

Originally Posted by ENT

Ever since Islam arose, Jews have been their scapegoat.

Yawwwwn The Jews were way, way better off under Islam than they were under Christianity. Fact.

Originally Posted by ENT

As Jews moved into Palestine, buying land from Arab owners, they created work which Arabs needed and flocked to,

Bullshit again- thoroughly disproved by the British governments census reports to the League of Nations. Such net immigration which may have occurred (which is absolutely not established by census reports, mortality tables etc) is at best minute compared to both the existing population of Palestine, and the extent of Jewish immigration. Repeating old lies ad infinitum just exposes as you as the senile old hate filled bigot that you are.

Originally Posted by ENT

Time after time, Arabs attacked Jews, their businesses and farms, culminating in the massacres of 1936-9 riots, where 415 Jews were killed against 5,000 Arab deaths'

The unfortunate Fact, dear old gerontocrat, is that way more Palestinians were killed by Jews, than vice versa. But there were atrocities and killings on both sides- that is true. If one wants to look up Jewish and Palestinian massacres in then Palestine it is easy to do- GIYF. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killin..._Palestine_war

Originally Posted by ENT

This well armed body of newly united Arab groups attacked any non-Arab in Palestine if they could get away with it, British troops or Jewish settlers, at a huge cost to their own.

Way more British troops were killed by Jewish terrorists, than Palestinian. Way more. Ever heard of the King David Hotel?

Anyway, thanks for the false history lesson, which as always I am more than willing to shoot down in flames. But it does get boring, and immensely repetitive- are you trying to lie and bore me (and us) to death? Believe me, my actuarial life span is much longer than yours.

Now back to the point. Israel is illegally occupying Palestine, and continues to do so after 50 years. So what's it to be- one combined state, or two separate states?

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by wjblaney

The only justification I need is the Jewish Diaspora followed by centuries upon centuries of worldwide pogroms and to top it off...the Holocaust.

So that justifies them acting the same way to others?

Don't be daft. Israeli self defence against ongoing Arab attacks on its civilian or government forces in any form is a human right.

Once Arabs and Muslims recognize that and cease their attempts to annihilate Jews and Israel, then negotiate realistically for a workable solution, as in a one state Israel, peace may ensue.

Until then, the killings will continue.