Thread: Arab social media is full of the filth

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by Luigi

Originally Posted by VocalNeal

I lived for some years in Indonesia and for a non-believer the muezzine added an air of the exotic.

It does.

To us.

But put it next to the family house you grew up in, in the West..... your home, as you grew up.

Not exactly exotic then, eh.

I live next to a cathedral. Bloody bell ringers club practice all day Saturday and Sunday. I'd rather have the call to prayer than this endless ding-dong ding-ding.

Right. In Britain.

Endless dingdong calls to worship don't exist there.

Bell ringers practice and Sunday calls to worship, two times in a week during the day, these days in very few parishes.

Muslim calls to worship are five times a day, from before dawn to nearly midnight, broadcast on loudspeakers, in often largely non-Muslim areas, that's 35 times a week someone's yelling in a foreign language, loud enough to wake any one, believer or not, to wake up and pray, like it or not.

Mosques' antiquated communications system belong in the third world where they are popular, not in western communities which saw the last of loudspeakers when radio and tv arrived.

There's an ap for Muslim prayer times, no need for muezzins to disturb the peace.

^ Common sense.


Not really that common upon the Arabs.

It is a very traditional sound for Christian churches to ring bells , it's an acceptable part of the culture in the Island of England . We hear bells ringing from birth and its normally a celebration of joyful news.
Shouting religious freaks yodelling 5 times a day through Mosque speakers in a foreign tongue does not belong.

The Islamic call to prayer does not belong to British culture, thus is an adjunct to accepted British practices expected by many Islamics as an un-agreed norm.

Without consensus agreement to its implementation, the muezzin's call is a criminal act , a call designed to usurp British values in favour of an Arabic cultural nicety involving the support of pre-medieval Arabic cultural values, which are in conflict with British, and the rest of the thinking world's values, in order to promote the hypocrisy of Islamic doctrine.

Originally Posted by wasabi

It is a very traditional sound for Christian churches to ring bells , it's an acceptable part of the culture in the Island of England

When did England become an Island? Is it a global warming thing? Have we finally got rid of the Taffs?

I agree that there are solid and reasonable arguments against the muezzin in Britain, but those arguments do not stack up in Jerusalem where it is a tradition that goes back way before the immigration of a bunch of interloping Europeans.

The analogy would be a town or suburb in England that has become majority immigrant, and the immigrants demand all church bells in the area be silenced.
Outraged much? Yes, I would be too.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

I agree that there are solid and reasonable arguments against the muezzin in Britain, but those arguments do not stack up in Jerusalem where it is a tradition that goes back way before the immigration of a bunch of interloping Europeans.

The analogy would be a town or suburb in England that has become majority immigrant, and the immigrants demand all church bells in the area be silenced.
Outraged much? Yes, I would be too.

That's not correct at all.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

I agree that there are solid and reasonable arguments against the muezzin in Britain, but those arguments do not stack up in Jerusalem where it is a tradition that goes back way before the immigration of a bunch of interloping Europeans.

The analogy would be a town or suburb in England that has become majority immigrant, and the immigrants demand all church bells in the area be silenced.
Outraged much? Yes, I would be too.

Muslims already tried to ban Church of St Mary's bells ringing in Manchester UK, blocked Xmas celebrations in schools, force feeding school kids halal food, insisting on Brits in Muslim dominated areas conform to Islamic law and got crosses and any Xtian references removed from schools. Food manufacturers forced to go halal, pay the fee, then pass it on to the consumer who thus unwittingly funds Islamic jihad.

Give Muslims an inch and they'll take a mile.

One of my lads likes listening to Quranic recitations in the office. It helps him work apparently (and he does a good enough job). None of the mussies in the office would tell him it was distracting, didn't want to be seen to be the infidel.

I bought him a pair of headphones, gave them to him and said "This is an office, not a mosque, so listen on by all means, but not on speaker".

Not a murmur and he happily complied.

No fucker talks to him anyway, so it's no loss.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Maanaam

I agree that there are solid and reasonable arguments against the muezzin in Britain, but those arguments do not stack up in Jerusalem where it is a tradition that goes back way before the immigration of a bunch of interloping Europeans.

The analogy would be a town or suburb in England that has become majority immigrant, and the immigrants demand all church bells in the area be silenced.
Outraged much? Yes, I would be too.

Muslims already tried to ban Church of St Mary's bells ringing in Manchester UK, blocked Xmas celebrations in schools, force feeding school kids halal food, insisting on Brits in Muslim dominated areas conform to Islamic law and got crosses and any Xtian references removed from schools. Food manufacturers forced to go halal, pay the fee, then pass it on to the consumer who thus unwittingly funds Islamic jihad.

Give Muslims an inch and they'll take a mile.

There you go, it's intolerable, isn't it?
But here (the OP) it's a different group (of immigrants) trying to ban religious things of the original occupants of the area.
Why the double standard?

Do you still cling to the erroneous belief and jihadist propaganda that Jews didn't continually live in Palestine over the last 3 < 4,000 years?

Muslim Arabs are a latter day bunch of migrants to the land.

Originally Posted by ENT

Do you still cling to the erroneous belief and jihadist propaganda that Jews didn't continually live in Palestine over the last 3 < 4,000 years?

Muslim Arabs are a latter day bunch of migrants to the land.

Don't be a c u n t, they're all Semites, innit.

Blue suede shoes and raggies, all get their dicks chopped, don't eat pork, they're all the same really.

Sure they're all Semites, but the Jews happened to migrate to Palestine long before the Muslim Arabs did.

Originally Posted by ENT

Do you still cling to the erroneous belief and jihadist propaganda that Jews didn't continually live in Palestine over the last 3 < 4,000 years?

Muslim Arabs are a latter day bunch of migrants to the land.

Oh Mr Polymath, tell us what was the Jewish population in the area known as Israel/Palestine in 1940, 1900, 1890, 1850.... before the great migration from Europe.
Then tell the origin (within a reasonable number of generations...less than 10, say ) of the Jewish population of the area, now.
Then tell us that the majority of those Jews who live there now have descendants that have always lived there.

Originally Posted by ENT

Sure they're all Semites, but the Jews happened to migrate to Palestine long before the Muslim Arabs did.

Tricky piece of semantics there considering the RELIGION of the Muslims (and used here as their identifier) is a relatively new religion.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by ENT

Do you still cling to the erroneous belief and jihadist propaganda that Jews didn't continually live in Palestine over the last 3 < 4,000 years?

Muslim Arabs are a latter day bunch of migrants to the land.

..what was the Jewish population in the area known as Israel/Palestine in 1940, 1900, 1890, 1850.... before the great migration from Europe.

There has been a Jewish minority living in Palestine ever since the sacking of Jerusalem, nearly 2,000 years ago.

If you want some statistics, look them up;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...estine_(region)

Then tell the origin (within a reasonable number of generations...less than 10, say of the Jewish population of the area, now.

The majority of Jews in Palestine today were either born there, or descended from Jews who migrated from mainly Europe, America and several Muslim countries.

Then tell us that the majority of those Jews who live there now have descendants that have always lived there.

They certainly do, if they're old enough.

Originally Posted by ENT

a Jewish minority living in Palestine

Yes, we know that. Note, "minority".

Originally Posted by ENT

The majority of Jews in Palestine today were either born there, or descended from Jews who migrated from mainly Europe, America and several Muslim countries.

Yes, we know that too. And as to my question, how many of them can say their ancestors of the last ten or twenty generations were from there?
We know that too...round about...very very few.
And thus, the vast majority of Israeli Jews are immigrants or descendants of recent (3 generations, tops) immigrants.

You don't like it when 3rd, 2nd or 1st generation immigrants in Britain take over an area and make demands upon the original inhabitants...

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by ENT

Sure they're all Semites, but the Jews happened to migrate to Palestine long before the Muslim Arabs did.

Tricky piece of semantics there considering the RELIGION of the Muslims (and used here as their identifier) is a relatively new religion.

Arabs originate from the Arabian Peninsula, after migrating there from western Asia, as did the Hebrews. Muslims were initially Arabic Jews, Xtians and pagans before conversion.

Mohamed was also a Jew, born and raised as one, only rejecting the authority of the Synagogue after being refused the right to become a rabbi.

Only one of the twelve tribes of Israel were Jews, the tribe of Judah, who occupied Judea, Palestine. The term Jew has now come to mean anyone of the Jewish faith.

The tribes of Dan and Manasseh became the Phoenicians, some of their descendants live in Lebanon, they're not Arabs, though the name Arab is loosely used to denote all non-Jewish Semites or anyone in the pan-Arab world, which is multi-ethnic in fact, Kurds, Copts, Maronites and others all object to being classified as Arabs.

Egyptians are also Semites, also originating from W.Asia, although considerably intermarried with black Africans.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by ENT

a Jewish minority living in Palestine

Yes, we know that. Note, "minority".

Originally Posted by ENT

The majority of Jews in Palestine today were either born there, or descended from Jews who migrated from mainly Europe, America and several Muslim countries.

Yes, we know that too. And as to my question, how many of them can say their ancestors of the last ten or twenty generations were from there?
We know that too...round about...very very few.
And thus, the vast majority of Israeli Jews are immigrants or descendants of recent (3 generations, tops) immigrants.

You don't like it when 3rd, 2nd or 1st generation immigrants in Britain take over an area and make demands upon the original inhabitants...

Daft analogy.

Jews (used in the broad sense of the word) were and are the original inhabitants of Palestine, as were several other ethnic groups. Arabs lived in Arabia so get over it.
Arab Jews were dominant in Mecca at the time of Mohamed.

The fact that Jewish numbers in Palestine diminished massively over 2,000 years doesn't mean that they weren't there, all the time, until now.

Muslim Arabs, migrated en masse to Palestine during the British mandate period.
They also now constitute roughly 20% of Israel's population, with freedom to worship, work, study and get conscripted into the IDF.

Originally Posted by ENT

Daft analogy.

Daft poster.

Originally Posted by Luigi

Originally Posted by ENT

Daft analogy.

Daft poster.

Daft statement...back it up.
If you dare.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by Luigi

Originally Posted by ENT

Daft analogy.

Daft poster.

Daft statement...back it up.
If you dare.

[Ant] Q.E.D. [/Ant]

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by ENT

a Jewish minority living in Palestine

Yes, we know that. Note, "minority".

Originally Posted by ENT

The majority of Jews in Palestine today were either born there, or descended from Jews who migrated from mainly Europe, America and several Muslim countries.

Yes, we know that too. And as to my question, how many of them can say their ancestors of the last ten or twenty generations were from there?
We know that too...round about...very very few.
And thus, the vast majority of Israeli Jews are immigrants or descendants of recent (3 generations, tops) immigrants.

You don't like it when 3rd, 2nd or 1st generation immigrants in Britain take over an area and make demands upon the original inhabitants...

Daft analogy.

Jews (used in the broad sense of the word) were and are the original inhabitants of Palestine, as were several other ethnic groups. Arabs lived in Arabia so get over it.
Arab Jews were dominant in Mecca at the time of Mohamed.

The fact that Jewish numbers in Palestine diminished massively over 2,000 years doesn't mean that they weren't there, all the time, until now.

Muslim Arabs, migrated en masse to Palestine during the British mandate period.
They also now constitute roughly 20% of Israel's population, with freedom to worship, work, study and get conscripted into the IDF.

Yeah yeah yeah.....so how many generations do we have to go back?
By your reasoning, since Pacific Islanders can trace their DNA back to Taiwan, I should be able to lay claim to a plot of land there because my great great x 30 grandfather came from there.
It's a ridiculous argument that Jews from Europe named Mueller and Goldstein have a claim to Israel.
But Israel is established, and that won't change. So we accept that. But for them (the immigrants and descendants or recent immigrants) to now start saying that the Muslims (and now their descendants) who were there when they arrived from Europe (and are still arriving) must curtail their religious customs because the newest arrivals outnumber them is outrageous.

Originally Posted by Luigi

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by Luigi

Originally Posted by ENT

Daft analogy.

Daft poster.

Daft statement...back it up.
If you dare.

[Ant] Q.E.D. [/Ant]

Go and google QED.
Then back up your statement.
If you dare.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

And thus, the vast majority of Israeli Jews are immigrants or descendants of recent (3 generations, tops) immigrants.

Not to mention those who hold Israeli citizenship but have never lived there...