Thread: Israel will never withdraw from Golan Heights - Netanyahu

^^ If you are referring to some massacres in the Sinai during the 6 day war, yes some did happen, and there is plenty of evidence to back this up.

"If I were to be put on trial for what I did, then it would be necessary to put on trial at least one-half the Israeli army which, in similar circumstances, did what I did."—Israeli Brig. Gen. Aryeh Biro, who admitted to killing hundereds of unresisting Egyptians.

In July 1995, the long, hidden story began to leak. Publication in the Israeli press of a study undertaken for the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) briefly noted that 35 Egyptian "soldiers"—actually civilian Public Works employees, it was later admitted—were murdered during the 1956 Suez War, ostensibly because there was insufficient manpower to guard them (Davar, 7/21/95). After this little-noticed article was published, the military censor could no longer prevent the publication of historian Ronal Fisher's research on Israeli massacres of 273 Egyptians who, according to international law, should have been prisoners of war (Ma'ariv, 8/8/95).*

Former soldiers' recollections of the massacres they committed gained momentum, and soon a host of war crimes previously known only to the participants came to light in the mainstream Israeli press. Israelis admitted that in the 1967 Six-Day War, the IDF executed Palestinian POWs who were fighting in the Egyptian army, a thousand unresisting Egyptians, and dozens of unarmed Palestinian refugees.
As Evidence Mounts, Toll of Israeli Prisoner of War Massacres Grows | WRMEA

I did not think it would be too long before Psuedo resorted to his usual Childish insults , we are all very suitably Impressed

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Ent's caught in cartoon form.

Sap.

G'day Sap.

I see ya changed yer name again, ya must have an identity crisis going on, it was dick, last time.

I did not think it would be long until I decided that there was no getting through to the mad mullah piwi, so decided to try pictures instead.

Childish? You and Ent, in the face of implacable evidence, are like a little shitehead kid swearing on his parents life that a cat is black, when it is white. You are both pathetic, and yet again, no different to the illiterate ignorant mad mullahs you pretend you do not like.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Here they are - a nice holiday snap prior to the massacre.

Bullshit.

Wrong head-gear, wrong rifle, wrong war, wrong bunch of prisoners for your pseudo-factoid.

An Israeli soldier stands guard over Egyptian prisoners in El Arish, Sinai, during the Six-Day War in June 1967.
read more: The Seventh Day?: Censored Voices From the 1967 War - Diplomacy and Defense - Haaretz

Nev they really are pathetic. It is pitiful. The problem these fools is that because they get all their information from the ADL and other racist hate websites, they subconsciously know that most of their information is bullshit, so thus assume everyone else's is.

He has bloody good eyesight declaring that, from this grainy photo, it is the "wrong prisoners". I assume that the knew the murdered prisoners personally and doesn't think that this is them? Gawd knows. Just another exhibit in the "bEnt is a fool" case.

Keep wriggling.
You've been sprung deliberately posting false info.

The POW's pictured weren't murdered as you claim.

UN observers and others at Al Arish deny that there was any sort of mass execution of Egyptian POWs after they were "forced to dig their own graves" during the 6 day war.

Originally Posted by ENT

You've been sprung deliberately posting false info.

Where?

What is false? Oh dear. You've been reading the CAMERA website directly this time

At Al-Arish , Egyptian POWs
Ordered to Dig Graves, Then Shot by Israeli Army

By Gabby Bron *

It was the publication of the claims, made by Dr. Aryeh Yitzhaki”1”, about what really occurred during the Six Day War [June 1967] that caused me to recall what had happened and what I and my comrades had seen during my reserve service.On the third day of that war we saw Egyptian POWs being executed after a “court martial”. The explanation given to us was that those killed were Palestinian “Fedayin” fighters from the Gaza Strip who had disguised themselves as soldiers in order to escape from our forces”. I witnessed their executions with my own eyes in the morning of June 8, 1967 in the airport area in al-Arish, Sinai. This was where the headquarters of the brigade commanded by General Israel Tal, in which I had served, were located.

On that morning we heard that hundreds of Egyptian POWs were being held in the headquarters and we had time to go to look at them. Hundreds of POW’s were held in an open building serving as a cover for airplanes, surrounded on three sides by high sand-bag embankments. They were densely crowded and sitting on the ground with their hands on the back of their necks.

Adjoining the prison compound, guarded by military police, there were two men sitting at a table. They wore Israeli army uniforms and steel helmets with faces almost entirely covered by sun glasses and khaki-colored handkerchiefs. Every few minutes, the military police took one of the POWs from the prison compound and escorted him to the table. A short conversation, which we were not able to hear, was then conducted. Following it, the POW was escorted by two military policemen to a place behind the building.

I followed the procedure. The POW was escorted to a distance of about 100 meters from the building and given a spade. I watched the POW digging a big pit which took about 15 minutes. Then the policemen ordered him to throw out the spade. When he did so one of them pointed his Uzi gun at the POW inside the pit and shot two short bullet bursts, consisting maybe of three four bullets each. The POW fell dead.

After few minutes another POW was escorted to the same pit, forced to go into it and was also shot dead. A third POW was brought to the same place and also shot dead. Since the process was repeated a number of times, the grave was filled up. I witnessed about ten such executions.

We were standing there, near the place where the POW’s were being held and we watched silently. The fact that a number of soldiers were watching the spectacle was apparently unwelcome because after a time Colonel Eshel, the commander of the communication battalion of the brigade, appeared and shouted at the soldiers, ordering them to leave. When we didn’t show any willingness to obey, Colonel Eshel pulled out his personal revolver and threatened us with it. Raising his voice even more, he was able to get the soldiers to obey, including me.

The reserve soldiers who heard about what had happened were horrified ”2”, and about the noon an officer, whose identity I cannot recall, came to explain to the reserve soldiers that the men of the Military Intelligence were identifying “Fedayin” fighters of the Gaza Strip who had murdered Jews and disguised themselves. At that time of the continuing war, it seemed a reasonable explanation ”3”.

The day after, a rumor circulated that, in another location, “hundreds of Egyptian POWs who interfered with the advance of our forces”, were liquidated. Dr. Aryeh Yitzhaki must be referring now to this rumor as an established tact. (Yediot Ahronot, August 17, 1995) Dr. Israel Shahak, a Holocaust survivor and retired professor of chemistry at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, is chairman of the Israeli League of Human and Civil Rights.

Testimony of IDF soldier who was involved in the massacre.


Now of course, the problem for Ent is ironic. The zionist and israel lobby reject first hand testimonies out of hand for all sorts of reasons; inaccurate, poor memory, malicious, lie etc etc. However, they rely almost 100% on first hand testimonies about the holocaust because the Germans never kept records about gassing jews.

So, make your mind up Ent before you bother to refute this. If you reject this Israeli Jews first personal testimony about the massacre, are you therefore a Holocaust denier as well?

Of course, on the flip side there is testimony from the natives who actually lived in Al Arish as well about the continual murder of POWs, being tortured, murdered, by the brave israeli victims. They describe how their town was almost unlivable due to the continual stench of rotting corpses piling up. Maybe the israelis should have fully copied the Nazis rather than partially, and built crematoria to dispose of their bodies.

Originally Posted by sabang

^^ If you are referring to some massacres in the Sinai during the 6 day war, yes some did happen, and there is plenty of evidence to back this up.

"If I were to be put on trial for what I did, then it would be necessary to put on trial at least one-half the Israeli army which, in similar circumstances, did what I did."—Israeli Brig. Gen. Aryeh Biro, who admitted to killing hundereds of unresisting Egyptians.

In July 1995, the long, hidden story began to leak. Publication in the Israeli press of a study undertaken for the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) briefly noted that 35 Egyptian "soldiers"—actually civilian Public Works employees, it was later admitted—were murdered during the 1956 Suez War, ostensibly because there was insufficient manpower to guard them (Davar, 7/21/95). After this little-noticed article was published, the military censor could no longer prevent the publication of historian Ronal Fisher's research on Israeli massacres of 273 Egyptians who, according to international law, should have been prisoners of war (Ma'ariv, 8/8/95).*

Former soldiers' recollections of the massacres they committed gained momentum, and soon a host of war crimes previously known only to the participants came to light in the mainstream Israeli press. Israelis admitted that in the 1967 Six-Day War, the IDF executed Palestinian POWs who were fighting in the Egyptian army, a thousand unresisting Egyptians, and dozens of unarmed Palestinian refugees.
As Evidence Mounts, Toll of Israeli Prisoner of War Massacres Grows | WRMEA

There's no doubt that POWs and civilians on both sides were unjustifiably killed by their captors during and in the aftermath of the 1967 "Six day war".
The Arab death toll is understandably higher at 20,000 to 1,000 Israeli troops killed, for several reasons. Arabs prove to be ill-disciplined, badly trained and organized and though full of bravado, were poor fighters badly treated by their officers who frequently deserted them, resulting in 4,338 Arab POWs taken for 11 Israeli POWs.

Israel didn't massacre its own soldiers as Egypt did, though.

"Following the war little remained of Egypt’s seven divisions deployed in Sinai. Thousands of Egyptian soldiers became stragglers and tried desperately to make their way westward toward the Suez Canal zone.
Israel did not have the capacity to take them all prisoner and where possible, facilitated their movement toward the Canal where they would attempt to swim across.

"However, one group (of Egyptian stragglers), as they were in mid-stream, were mown down by their own forces on the far side of the Canal with machine-guns." It has been suggested that Nasser did not want Egypt to learn of the true extent of his defeat and thus ordered the killing of survivors who tried to escape. Other Egyptian survivors were transferred to Egypt at Qantara and once on the Egyptian side of the Canal, were herded into compounds where they were surrounded by barbed wire.

Winston Churchill, the grandson of the famed former British Prime Minister, notes that Egyptian soldiers who succeeded in making their way back to Egypt, never made it home and instead were kept in cantonments, "to prevent the spread of despondency among the civil population."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contro...llow_Egyptians

CAMERA exists to change WIKIs entries to be pro israel and remove israel facts that they do not like. Churchil was a zionist, so was his son.

Just refreshing your memory on this fact Ent whilst you are in the middle of your typical israel lobby tactic of changing the point of focus, rather than answer / accept / concede a point that reflects badly on israel. Your post above is the typical "well other countries are bad as well" trick. Poor show.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by ENT

You've been sprung deliberately posting false info.

Where? What is false?

Your post #548
"Stationed of the Sinai peninsula, this american spy ship / listening ship full of spooks were monitoring the situation in the area, notably trying to work out if the israelis had really lined up 400 Egyptian prisoners of war in Al Arish, made them dig their own graves, and then shot them all. Official reason was that they found too time consuming to keep bringing them water and food."

You then lie again, having to "drop the number" to 250 prisoners.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

CAMERA exists to change WIKIs entries to be pro israel and remove israel facts that they do not like. Churchil was a zionist, so was his son.

As is anybody who opposes your point of view, according to you.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by ENT

You've been sprung deliberately posting false info.

Where? What is false?

Your post #548
"Stationed of the Sinai peninsula, this american spy ship / listening ship full of spooks were monitoring the situation in the area, notably trying to work out if the israelis had really lined up 400 Egyptian prisoners of war in Al Arish, made them dig their own graves, and then shot them all. Official reason was that they found too time consuming to keep bringing them water and food."

You then lie again, having to "drop the number" to 250 prisoners.

I didn't. The pro israel BBC did. There are lots of numbers for that ranging from 800 to 150. I took a middle line which is fair.

You getting desperate bEnt? So you went the "change the question and answer that" trick, and now you are trying to focus on a TEENY WEENY little thing, and from that trying to show the whole factual affair did not happen? Poor show. Such a typical defended of israel trick. Why not go to look on your favourite Wiki for "ADL Propaganda tricks.:.: and get some more

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by pseudolus

CAMERA exists to change WIKIs entries to be pro israel and remove israel facts that they do not like. Churchil was a zionist, so was his son.

As is anybody who opposes your point of view, according to you.

Oh no, you are a zionist and defender of israel.

I could say

'Cat hit by car in Israel" and you would swear blind it was

1 - not a cat.
2 - didn;t happen.
3 - Did happen, cat lived, but in other countries the cat dies.
4 - It was 20 cats, not a cat so you are a liar
5 - ANTI SEMITE

roughly in about that order.

Irish troops return from Golan Heights - RTÉ News

A hundred Irish troops who have been serving with the United Nations in the Golan Heights have arrived back at Dublin Airport following a six-month tour of duty.

Irish troops have been deployed in the region since 2013 and have helped the UN maintain a ceasefire between Israel and Syria and enforce a 1974 UN resolution in the area.

The returning 50th Infantry Batallion was the fifth Irish contingent to be deployed on a six-month tour of duty with the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force.

UNDOF was established in the Golan Heights following the Six Day War between Israel, Syria and Egypt in 1973, but the region has become increasingly unstable in recent times.

The troops provide armoured force protection for UNDOF personnel, and provide support for observation posts throughout the area of separation.

The area of separation in the Golan Heights region between Israel and Syria is over 75km long, and varies in width between 10km and 200m.

The terrain is hilly and dominated in the north by Mount Hermon.

FFS - the EU still picking up the tab to guard the Golan Heights for israel?

Its a fucking disgrace - the Irish????? The Irish????? So they liked the British rule then? So much that they go to israel and help another illegally occupied place remain occupied?

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by ENT

You've been sprung deliberately posting false info.

Where? What is false?

Your post #548
"Stationed of the Sinai peninsula, this american spy ship / listening ship full of spooks were monitoring the situation in the area, notably trying to work out if the israelis had really lined up 400 Egyptian prisoners of war in Al Arish, made them dig their own graves, and then shot them all. Official reason was that they found too time consuming to keep bringing them water and food."

You then lie again, having to "drop the number" to 250 prisoners.

I didn't. The pro israel BBC did. There are lots of numbers for that ranging from 800 to 150. I took a middle line which is fair.

You getting desperate bEnt? So you went the "change the question and answer that" trick, and now you are trying to focus on a TEENY WEENY little thing, and from that trying to show the whole factual affair did not happen? Poor show. Such a typical defended of israel trick. Why not go to look on your favourite Wiki for "ADL Propaganda tricks.:.: and get some more

Another lie as you wriggle your way deeper into your own sh*t.

You didn't quote the BBC, just gobbed off in your own sweet way claiming now pretending that the words were your own, and now fobbing them off onto the BBC, ...pathetic.

Then you say "I took the middle line, which is fair"

A fair load of bunkum!

There were NO mass executions of Arab POW's at Al Arish.

Originally Posted by ENT

You didn't quote the BBC, just gobbed off in your own sweet way claiming now pretending that the words were your own, and now fobbing them off onto the BBC, ...pathetic.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Egypt anger over 1967 'massacre'

jesus....even the lying zionist pro israel BBC reported on it. Drop the number though ... 250.

Umm Ent...?

Ahh well. You are as illiterate as a silafist mad mullah. And as ignorant.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Zionist. And his DAD. You really are illiterate, aren't you, piwaCILE? Mad mullah of bumfuck isaan.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Egypt anger over 1967 'massacre'

jesus....even the lying zionist pro israel BBC reported on it. Drop the number though ... 250.



Here they are - a nice holiday snap prior to the massacre.

Ben Eliezer is a fraud, an extortor, a liar, and a blood thirsty monster. You will love him!

Must be weird for you piwaCILE - you spend your life knowing nothing, and when you learn new things from me, you must have a sean connery as you rush to Pat Condom to see what he has to say about it. Ignorant - completely ignorant. Two world events that you have absolutely no knowledge off. Your piwibrain must be blowing up around now.

Originally Posted by ENT

There were NO mass executions of Arab POW's at Al Arish.

Yes there were. Well documented. You sound like a holocaust denier now, and appearing just as desperate.

You are clearly not smart enough to pull off relying on ADL pro israel false history. Go away and practice more, or best avoid, and stick to IDF-Fanclub.com/forum/wannabee-israelis in future where nothing as nasty as FACTS will interfere with you bullshit narrative.

Night night. Go to the London Muslim Mayor thread and watch the video of yourself on their exploding. Very funny.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by ENT

There were NO mass executions of Arab POW's at Al Arish.

Yes there were. Well documented.

We already looked at one of your "well documented" accounts by the lying stooge Gabby Bron.

You're even dumber than he is thinking you can single-handed dig a grave/pit in 15 minutes large enough for ten stiffs, it'd take four or five hours at least for two men to do the job!

The average grave of 6'x6'x2'= 72 cu ft takes two men a couple of hours or so to dig.
It's even harder in sand as the sides keep collapsing unless shored up.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by ENT

There were NO mass executions of Arab POW's at Al Arish.

Yes there were. Well documented.

We already looked at one of your "well documented" accounts by the lying stooge Gabby Bron.

You're even dumber than he is thinking you can single-handed dig a grave/pit in 15 minutes large enough for ten stiffs, it'd take four or five hours at least for two men to do the job!

The average grave of 6'x6'x2'= 72 cu ft takes two men a couple of hours or so to dig.
It's even harder in sand as the sides keep collapsing unless shored up.

Ent you are making the ADL mistake (and I believe your calculations came from CAMERA website ) of thinking that they were digging square sided graves.

Go to the beach with a metal shovel. Stand in the middle of some sand and start digging pretending you have an ISIS man with a gun pointing at you making you dig fast. After 15 minutes, stop. You will have a hole big enough for a handful of bodies to be put in.

As the residents of Al Arish testified to, the israelis did not bother to close them, and just left the bodies lying around decaying in the sun with hardly any cover of sand at all.


So stop changing the real narrative to a fake one, which you then attack. All you are doing is proving that your false narrative could not be real, hoping that no one spots that you made the switch.

It's the same trick the israeli's use with the Hamas "missiles". They call them missiles because technically they are, but in reality most people think missiles have a war head which explodes. The ones from Hamas do not - they are hollow pipes. Yes, technically they are "missiles", but they are not explosive missiles. They do this on purpose so that the idiots in the west think "ohhh hamas fired misiles, so dropping 1 million pounds of high explosive in return is fine". Doesn't quite work when the real truth is said "hamas fired hollow pipes into the air that only kill people if one lands on them, and in return israel launches full scale war against them. It's like an american cop shooting a child who has a put a bit of chewed up paper in a BIRO sleeve and blown it at him. Well, shot, bombed, arrested his family, put the children into the pedo dens (aka israel youth prisons)... "

As i have repeatedly said, your ADL pro israel nonsense will not wash anymore.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Go to the beach with a metal shovel. Stand in the middle of some sand and start digging pretending you have an ISIS man with a gun pointing at you making you dig fast. After 15 minutes, stop. You will have a hole big enough for a handful of bodies to be put in.

Beach? What beach? Your poppycock story was based in the desert,....on dry ground, ...loose sand, not a damp beach.

Try digging a hole in that and all you'll get is a shallow circular depression, nowhere near a pit as your star witness claimed.

And stop changing Bron's story, he reckoned 10 POWs, not a hand-full that you now claim.