Thread: Israel will never withdraw from Golan Heights - Netanyahu

As someone else pointed out: "We believe in the justice of our cause, but not everything we do is just."

Telling quote.

IDF general in bombshell speech: Israel today shows signs of 1930s Germany


'It's scary to see horrifying developments that took place in Europe begin to unfold here,' Maj.-Gen. Yair Golan said during a Holocaust Remembrance speech.



IDF Deputy Chief of Staff Maj.-Gen. Yair Golan delivers remarks at Kibbutz Tel Yitzhak


The Israeli army's deputy chief of staff ignited controversy late Wednesday evening with his remarks which seemed to suggest a parallel between present-day Israel and 1930s Germany.

Maj. Gen. Yair Golan made the comments during a Holocaust Remembrance Day address at Tel Yitzhak.

"It's scary to see horrifying developments that took place in Europe begin to unfold here," the officer said.

The comments unleashed a torrent of criticism against Golan on social media, with Twitter users accusing the deputy chief of staff of "forgetting the lessons of the Holocaust."

"The Holocaust should bring us to ponder our public lives and, furthermore, it must lead anyone who is capable of taking public responsibility to do so," Golan said. "Because if there is one thing that is scary in remembering the Holocaust, it is noticing horrific processes which developed in Europe – particularly in Germany – 70, 80, and 90 years ago, and finding remnants of that here among us in the year 2016."

Education Minister Naftali Bennett was in the audience during the remarks, according to Hebrew-language media.

"The Holocaust, in my view, must lead us to deep soul-searching about the nature of man," Golan said. "It must bring us to conduct some soul-searching as to the responsibility of leadership and the quality of our society. It must lead us to fundamentally rethink how we, here and now, behave towards the other."

"There is nothing easier and simpler than in changing the other," the officer said. "There is nothing easier and simpler than fear-mongering and threatening. There is nothing easier and simpler than in behaving like beasts, becoming morally corrupt, and sanctimoniousness."

"On Holocaust Remembrance Day, it is worthwhile to ponder our capacity to uproot the first signs of intolerance, violence, and self-destruction that arise on the path to moral degradation," Golan said.

"For all intents and purposes, Holocaust Remembrance Day is an opportunity for soul-searching," he said. "If Yom Kippur is the day of individual soul-searching, then it is imperative that Holocaust Remembrance Day be a day of national soul-searching, and this national soul-searching should include phenomena that are disruptive."

Golan made reference to the Hebron incident in which an IDF infantryman was filmed shooting dead a Palestinian assailant who was on the ground and subdued.

The soldier, Sgt. Elor Azaria, is being tried by a military tribunal on charges of manslaughter. The arrest and court martial have been met with fierce criticism from nationalist Jews who say that the soldier acted properly.

"Improper use of weapons and violating the sanctity of arms have taken place since the IDF's founding," Golan said. "The IDF should be proud that throughout its history it has had the ability to investigate severe incidents without hesitation. It should be proud that it has probed problematic behavior with courage and that it has taken responsibility not just for the good, but also for the bad and the inappropriate."

"We didn't try to justify ourselves, we didn't cover anything up, we didn't whitewash, we didn't make excuses, and we didn't equivocate," the officer said. "Our path was – and will be – one of truth and shouldering responsibility, even if the truth is difficult and the burden of responsibility is a heavy one."

"We very much believe in the justice of our cause, but not everything we do is just," Golan said. "We are certain of the high level of morality in the IDF as an organization, and we do not ignore exceptions by individuals. We demand from our soldiers the same that we demand of ourselves, and we insist that upstanding behavior and setting an example for everyone become second nature for every commander."

"On Holocaust Remembrance Day, as we remember the six million of our people who were slaughtered in Europe, it is incumbent upon us to remember the 6.5 million, those living now, and to ask ourselves what is the purpose of our return to our land, what is appropriate to sanctify and what is not, what is proper to praise and what is not," the officer said.

"Most of all, we should ask how it is that we are to realize our purpose as a light unto the nations and a model society," he said. "Only this kind of remembrance can serve as a living and breathing monument for our people – a worthy monument, a monument of truth."

And another: "There is nothing easier and simpler than fear-mongering and threatening. There is nothing easier and simpler than in behaving like beasts, becoming morally corrupt, and sanctimoniousness."

Could be referring to any of the Keyboard Warriors on here advocating for genocide and whatnot but for the 'behaving' bit because that would actually entail getting out from behind their keyboards and taking action, something that's simply not going to happen.

Ant , who the f**k is on here "advocating for genocide" ?

Angry words have been spoken surely...but no one except the unhinged advocates genocide. (IMO)

Sadly the genocide card has played out in past history and is played in real world scenarios.

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Ant , who the f**k is on here "advocating for genocide" ?

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

the unhinged

You've answered your own question!

I'm referring to the 'bomb 'em back to the Stone Age!', 'make the deserts glow!' types.

Good grief, Charlie Brown.

Surely those type of statements were made in the threads regarding attacking fundamentalist terrorist organizations...not civilian populations.

IDF's Staff Maj-Gen Golan was speaking towards the arrest of an IDF infantryman being tried by a military tribunal on charges of manslaughter.
Yes, he was speaking to his own fellow countrymen as well which is the right thing to do.

Sure there are people that simply hate and want to kill because they are filled with hate...they are a problem. Those words get written by haters against races, religions, nations, ethnic groups et al.

Try to enjoy your weekend without forgetting to remember Maj-Gen Golan's intent and words. Okay, Ant ?

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Surely those type of statements were made in the threads regarding attacking fundamentalist terrorist organizations...not civilian populations.

Those statements were made about wiping out Islam.

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Try to enjoy your weekend without forgetting to remember Maj-Gen Golan's intent and words. Okay, Ant ?

I know exactly what his intent and words were, I posted the article remember. Do you? You're the one going off on a tangent over a passing remark.

I was referring to your words below your post about Keyboard Warriors "advocating for genocide".

Since I've never posted any words of hate regarding wiping out Islam I have nothing more to add on that subject not quite part and parcel of "Israel will never withdraw from the Golan Heights".
Enjoy...

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Since I've never posted any words of hate regarding wiping out Islam

I didn't so much as suggest you had.

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

I have nothing more to add on that subject not quite part and parcel of "Israel will never withdraw from the Golan Heights".
Enjoy...

Cool, see ya.

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Good grief, Charlie Brown.

Surely those type of statements were made in the threads regarding attacking fundamentalist terrorist organizations...not civilian populations.

IDF's Staff Maj-Gen Golan was speaking towards the arrest of an IDF infantryman being tried by a military tribunal on charges of manslaughter.
Yes, he was speaking to his own fellow countrymen as well which is the right thing to do.

Sure there are people that simply hate and want to kill because they are filled with hate...they are a problem. Those words get written by haters against races, religions, nations, ethnic groups et al.

Try to enjoy your weekend without forgetting to remember Maj-Gen Golan's intent and words. Okay, Ant ?

Talking of genocide , I just wonder what the combined armies of Syria ,Jordon ,and Egypt intentions was in their 6 day war in 1967 with Israel?

Piwanoi, I could not conjecture as to their intent.

Ant Robertson, I do appreciate you posting that article (post # 526).
We all need to be reminded regarding weighing the consequences of our actions, our words and our deeds though it is very difficult within the heat of battle.

This article says it was to exterminate the Israeli's Understanding the Arab-Israeli Conflict

Yeah its pretty positive what the Arabs had in mind for Israel in the 6 day war Statement by President Nasser to Arab Trade Unionists (May 1967) | Jewish Virtual Library

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

The Israeli army's deputy chief of staff's ...... remarks which seemed to suggest a parallel between present-day Israel and 1930s Germany.

Probably the psychological trait known as repeating........the reason abused children often go on to themselves become abusers and perpetuate the process.

You could say that. I wonder who taught the Nazis in the 1930's.
It couldn't possibly have been the British , could it ?

Originally Posted by Latindancer

the reason abused children often go on to themselves become abusers and perpetuate the process

Wonder what William Hague is doing these days after his rapid exit from the government. Bet he regrets that now, in that the spin warriors shut the pedo investigation down.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

IDF Deputy Chief of Staff Maj.-Gen. Yair Golan

Self hating traitorous bastard.

Nice name - Golan.

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

You could say that. I wonder who taught the Nazis in the 1930's.
It couldn't possibly have been the British , could it ?

Taught what ?

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

The Israeli army's deputy chief of staff's ...... remarks which seemed to suggest a parallel between present-day Israel and 1930s Germany.

Probably the psychological trait known as repeating........the reason abused children often go on to themselves become abusers and perpetuate the process.

...er, ummm...

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

The problem is that I'm not really disagreeing with you but...who gives a flying fuck about a few muslims.....

see what I mean

Arab world silent in face of Israeli 'aggression' in Gaza, Nasrallah says

yes its a fair cop. From now on I will hate muslims. I think that is for the best, and is fashionable it seems.

^You need to swap your pipe for an E-cigarette then.

Bugger.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

yes its a fair cop. From now on I will hate muslims. I think that is for the best, and is fashionable it seems.

Fashions fade, though....

Of course, one point that people always forget about the israeli occupation of the Golan Heights is that this started with the israeli attaack on the USS Liberty.

Stationed of the Sinai peninsula, this american spy ship / listening ship full of spooks were monitoring the situation in the area, notably trying to work out if the israelis had really lined up 400 Egyptian prisoners of war in Al Arish, made them dig their own graves, and then shot them all. Official reason was that they found too time consuming to keep bringing them water and food.

However, they were still working on this when israel were about to launch their object to purloin the Golan Heights. They didn't want the USA to know, lest they said "Don't be stupid!" so they instead decided the best approach was to sink the USS Liberty, killing all who sailed on it, taking the intelligence records to the see bed and then say sorry afterwards.

Bombed it with napalm. Radio recordings clearly show that the pilots and those giving the orders knew it was an American ship. Then they strafed the life rafts.

LBJ is on record as having told the defense planes from near by US fleet to stand down so as to not embarrass israel.

Aside from covering up war crimes, and committing an act of war, there is a hgih chance that they were going to pretend it was Egypt attacking the ship and drag america into the war. They were caught, but no American politician still today dare talk about it.

..... yet so many merkins still support israel. Special kind of stupid award goes to those that know.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

so anything Anti Israeli /Jewish you write must be seen as just your version seen through the eyes of hatred and bare naked bias

My Ironicometer™ just blew up.