Thread: Israel will never withdraw from Golan Heights - Netanyahu

Originally Posted by ENT

What ethnic cleansing?

Israel's 8.5 million population includes 20% Arab and 5% other ethnic groups.(aprox)

Down from 88% arab in 1922

Ethnic cleansing does not have any time constraint by definition.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by ENT

What ethnic cleansing?

Israel's 8.5 million population includes 20% Arab and 5% other ethnic groups.(aprox)

Down from 88% arab in 1922

Ethnic cleansing does not have any time constraint by definition.

You got that wrong as usual, as it's a deliberate piece of mis-information.

The Arab/Muslim population of British mandated Palestine in 1922 was 78.3% of the total population of the whole mandated territory of Palestine.

A far cry from your plucked out of the air figure of 88%, which I can only suppose you claim to be that of Arabs living only in Israeli Palestine, while in fact most of those Arabs counted were living on the more fertile plains of Arab Transjordan.

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"The Demographic history of Palestine refers to the study of the historical population of the region of Palestine, defined as the modern State of Israel, Jordan and the Palestinian territories, or the territory defined by the borders of the 1923-48 Mandatory Palestine."

Year...........Jews....Christians..Muslims.....Tot al

1914...........94........70..........525.......... ...689
1922...........84........71..........589 ............752
1931..........175....... 89..........760...........1,033
1947......... 630.......143.......1,181...........1,970
Estimates by Sergio DellaPergola (2001), drawing on the work of Bachi (1975). Figures in thousands.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...ficial_reports

As the report says, the census was of the total area of British mandate Palestine including Transjordan, not simply that little slice called Palestine, later the state of Israel.

Make what you like of that.

UN Security Council Rejects Netanyahu's Claim To Golan Heights

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s bold claim to Syria’s Golan Heights, annexed by Israel in 1967, was rejected by the U.N. Security Council, which still regards the land as belonging to Syria.

The dispute over the heights, which are situated on the Syrian-Israeli border and which Tel-Aviv has argued are strategically important for national security, has been ongoing for decades. A 1981 U.N. resolution officially dismissed Israel’s established control of the heights as illegitimate and a slow resolution process ensued, seeking to restore Syrian control over the territory.

Despite moments when both sides have appeared willing to compromise to resolve their territorial claims, Netanyahu’s government has pushed an increasingly hard line on the Golan Heights issue, especially since the start of the Syrian Civil War in 2011.

The Israeli leader visited Russian President Vladimir Putin, one of Syria’s biggest military allies, over the weekend and told him he had no plans to relinquish control of Golan.

Netanyahu said that “with or without agreement, the Golan Heights would remain under Israeli sovereignty,” describing the territorial claim as a “red line” for Israel.

The U.N.’s 15-member council—of which both Russia and the U.S. are permanent members—declared that its decision on Golan “remains unchanged,” said Chinese Ambassador Liu Jieyi, who holds this month’s council presidency, on Tuesday, according to Al Jazeera.

Liu said that the council “expressed deep concern” over Netanyahu’s comments earlier this month that “the Golan Heights will remain in the hands of Israel forever.”

Israel was incensed by the U.N.’s decision to focus on Netanyahu’s increasingly conservative rhetoric on the Golan issue, as Israel’s U.N. Ambassador Danny Danon responded by questioning the council’s commitment to peace in the Middle East.

“Holding a meeting on this topic completely ignores the reality in the Middle East,” Danon said. “While thousands of people are being massacred in Syria, and millions of citizens have become refugees, the Security Council has chosen to focus on Israel, the only true democracy in the Middle East.”

“It’s unfortunate that interested parties are attempting to use the council for unfair criticism of Israel,” he added.

Many Israelis have settled in the Golan Heights since 1967 and the population now comprises roughly equal numbers of Israelis and Arabs. The area has also become important for Israel’s water supplies, as it gives Israel full control over the Sea of Galilee.

http://www.newsweek.com/un-security-...heights-452882

Originally Posted by Hans Mann

UN Security Council Rejects Netanyahu's Claim To Golan Heights

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s bold claim to Syria’s Golan Heights, annexed by Israel in 1967, was rejected by the U.N. Security Council, which still regards the land as belonging to Syria.

The dispute over the heights, which are situated on the Syrian-Israeli border and which Tel-Aviv has argued are strategically important for national security, has been ongoing for decades. A 1981 U.N. resolution officially dismissed Israel’s established control of the heights as illegitimate and a slow resolution process ensued, seeking to restore Syrian control over the territory.

Despite moments when both sides have appeared willing to compromise to resolve their territorial claims, Netanyahu’s government has pushed an increasingly hard line on the Golan Heights issue, especially since the start of the Syrian Civil War in 2011.

The Israeli leader visited Russian President Vladimir Putin, one of Syria’s biggest military allies, over the weekend and told him he had no plans to relinquish control of Golan.

Netanyahu said that “with or without agreement, the Golan Heights would remain under Israeli sovereignty,” describing the territorial claim as a “red line” for Israel.

The U.N.’s 15-member council—of which both Russia and the U.S. are permanent members—declared that its decision on Golan “remains unchanged,” said Chinese Ambassador Liu Jieyi, who holds this month’s council presidency, on Tuesday, according to Al Jazeera.

Liu said that the council “expressed deep concern” over Netanyahu’s comments earlier this month that “the Golan Heights will remain in the hands of Israel forever.”

Israel was incensed by the U.N.’s decision to focus on Netanyahu’s increasingly conservative rhetoric on the Golan issue, as Israel’s U.N. Ambassador Danny Danon responded by questioning the council’s commitment to peace in the Middle East.

“Holding a meeting on this topic completely ignores the reality in the Middle East,” Danon said. “While thousands of people are being massacred in Syria, and millions of citizens have become refugees, the Security Council has chosen to focus on Israel, the only true democracy in the Middle East.”

“It’s unfortunate that interested parties are attempting to use the council for unfair criticism of Israel,” he added.

Many Israelis have settled in the Golan Heights since 1967 and the population now comprises roughly equal numbers of Israelis and Arabs. The area has also become important for Israel’s water supplies, as it gives Israel full control over the Sea of Galilee.

http://www.newsweek.com/un-security-...heights-452882

This is typical Israel Zionist attitude: We claim we "need" it, so we've taken it, and fuck you if you don't condone us.
Imagine if China had the same attitude (and it does to a certain extent) with Mekong water. We need it, so Laos, Thailand, Vietnam...bad luck for your natural water rights, fuck off and stop crying.

Of course its pure speculation to say that even if Syria was'nt part of the 3 pronged axis in the 6 day war against Israel that the Israeli's will still have occupied the Golan today . And an interesting article from American thinker http://www.americanthinker.com/artic..._heights_.html

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Of course its pure speculation to say that even if Syria was'nt part of the 3 pronged axis in the 6 day war against Israel that the Israeli's will still have occupied the Golan today .

Oil, water, fertile land, relatively nice climate.....yeah, of course the Isrealis (European Jews) wouldn't grab that under a "Oh, my Grandad was killed in an oven, so the world owes me this" whine.

But you're right...that is speculation.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Of course its pure speculation to say that even if Syria was'nt part of the 3 pronged axis in the 6 day war against Israel that the Israeli's will still have occupied the Golan today .

Oil, water, fertile land, relatively nice climate.....yeah, of course the Isrealis (European Jews) wouldn't grab that under a "Oh, my Grandad was killed in an oven, so the world owes me this" whine.

But you're right...that is speculation.

Your Ignore me did not last long did it? , and of course all of you are doing the same thing and that is speculating without a crumb of proof to back it up .

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by ENT

78.3%

You have ... the erroneous assumption that Arabs can only be Muslims. But no! Arabs can be Muslim, christian and Jewish as well, and indeed they are today,

Now even if none of the jews were Arab, and only the christian semites were arabs, then... 71 + 589 = 87.7659574468085 % of 752

It was 88% arab. Not all christians there were arabs,

They are ethnically ARAB.

^ More nonsense, dodgy maths and a big if.

There were very few Arabs (Semites) including Bedouins, in all of Palestine in 1921, as the main population groups (excluding Jews) there were Indo-European Turks, Armenians, Circassians, Samaritans, Kurds, Druze and Bosnians.

Both the 1921 and 1931 British census of Palestine did NOT refer to Arabs at all, other than referring to some Bedouin Arabs, grouping the total population of both sides of the Jordan by religion.

Xtian Semites? Where? There were very few Semites in Palestine in 1921, the majority of those Semites were Jews.
Semitic Arabs as such only started to migrate into Palestine in large numbers after 1931, from Arabia and Syria.

Egyptians, who aren't Arabs (Semites) either, also migrated into southern Palestine at that time.


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From;
"In 1920, the British Government's Interim Report on the Civil Administration of Palestine stated that there were hardly 700,000 people living in Palestine:

"Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race.

Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, a small number are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...ficial_reports
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Arabs left Israel in 1947/8 on either by being expelled by Israeli forces or voluntarily fearing the consequences of staying there or by order from Arab leaders.

The numbers leaving vary from between 400,000 < 800,000, depending on the sources you read.

Meanwhile ethnic cleansing of Jews from Arab states from 1948 on saw 850,000 Jews forced out of their Arab lands.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish...slim_countries

^ Ent you really are a prize nugget of zionist propaganda. The British reports were zionist reports you bell end.

Still waiting to see your link saying 78.3% which funnily enough is the exact percentage of muslims in the area.

But I also notice how you think seem to think that 78.3% to 20% is fine and dandy. Ethnic cleansing 101.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

UN Security Council Rejects Netanyahu's Claim To Golan Heights

Toothless - add it to the list of other UN stuff that israel ignore because it revels in the support of the USA, propped up by morons like ENT.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

The British reports were zionist reports.

Still waiting to see your link saying 78.3% which funnily enough is the exact percentage of muslims in the area.

But I also notice how you think seem to think that 78.3% to 20% is fine and dandy

^ What a load of gibberish.

The fudged figures that you gave in your post #378 were also drawn from the British census reports that you criticize as being Zionist.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by pseudolus

The British reports were zionist reports.

Still waiting to see your link saying 78.3% which funnily enough is the exact percentage of muslims in the area.

But I also notice how you think seem to think that 78.3% to 20% is fine and dandy

^ What a load of gibberish.

The fudged figures that you gave in your post #378 were also drawn from the British census reports that you criticize as being Zionist.

No they weren't.

youuo still deny that you got your made up mythical 78.3% from the british "guess" (which is what it is, not a census) by believing that arabs can only be muslim?

You, like every other zionist supporting muppet are all the same - bloody ignorant.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by pseudolus

The British reports were zionist reports.

Still waiting to see your link saying 78.3% which funnily enough is the exact percentage of muslims in the area.

But I also notice how you think seem to think that 78.3% to 20% is fine and dandy

^ What a load of gibberish.

The fudged figures that you gave in your post #378 were also drawn from the British census reports that you criticize as being Zionist.

No they weren't.

youuo still deny that you got your made up mythical 78.3% from the british "guess" (which is what it is, not a census) by believing that arabs can only be muslim?

I've denied nothing, but you have.

Nowhere have I said that Arabs can only be Muslims, either.

There are no accurate figures in any of the Palestine census reports published, until after 1948, when reasonably close estimates started to be calculated.

What's the big rigamarole here ? The Ottoman Empire linked up with the Huns and the British Empire along with the Frogs took over the entire ME after WW1.
THE SPOILS of WAR and the colonial holdings of the Ottoman Empire got "Luigi-ed".

What is so hard to understand that the British fooked over everyone they ever made a promise to.

So dear Pseudolus, when are the WASP-funded and Jesus-loving Europeans going to return America, Australia /NZ and certain Pacific holdings back to the righteous indigenous people who were there prior to the convicts arriving. In fact all non-original natives should be "sent back" to wherever their forefathers came from...according to your principles.
Try to believe that no "ethnic cleansing" took place under Britain's watch...or Rome's or Mohammad's.

Does it only start with Israel and end with Israel...where the spoils of war must be returned ?

Originally Posted by ENT

Nowhere have I said that Arabs can only be Muslims, either.

No, what you did, as your protestations are proving, is you fabricated your percentage by taking the ARAB population as being only the muslims, and were found out. Zionist shill.

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

What's the big rigamarole here ? The Ottoman Empire linked up with the Huns and the British Empire along with the Frogs took over the entire ME after WW1.
THE SPOILS of WAR and the colonial holdings of the Ottoman Empire got "Luigi-ed".

What is so hard to understand that the British fooked over everyone they ever made a promise to.

So dear Pseudolus, when are the WASP-funded and Jesus-loving Europeans going to return America, Australia /NZ and certain Pacific holdings back to the righteous indigenous people who were there prior to the convicts arriving. In fact all non-original natives should be "sent back" to wherever their forefathers came from...according to your principles.
Try to believe that no "ethnic cleansing" took place under Britain's watch...or Rome's or Mohammad's.

Does it only start with Israel and end with Israel...where the spoils of war must be returned ?

What are you wittering on about? Your tripe either deliberately completely misses the point, or more likely you are as clueless as Ent..... or one of his multiniks.

This word "ZIONIST" screamed from the rooftops by the haters of Israel is akin to saying that all Germans in WW2 were Nazi's Study: 22 Percent of Israeli Jews Identify With Religious Zionist Camp - National - Haaretz

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Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by pseudolus

The founders and currently leaders or israel and all these fanatical settlers seem to have a lot in common with Hitler, aside from their zealotry and genocidal tendencies.

Indeed. However, now read this out loud to yourself very slowly so it sinks in.....

ASHKANAZI JEWS ARE NOT SEMITES AND THEY DO NOT COME FROM THE REGION THAT YOU NOW CALL ISRAEL. THEY COME FROM AN AREA THAT IS ROUGHLY ROMANIA TODAY...

WHERE THE CURRENT BRITISH ROYAL FAMILY COME FROM FUNNILY ENOUGH


The Askanazi DO NOT share DNA with the Palestinians of anyone from that area. They are also the Zionists, and BIBI and his motley crew of murderers are AshkaNAZI as well... as was HITLER. And you know what.... Stalin was too.

Wittering softly...

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Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by pseudolus

The founders and currently leaders or israel and all these fanatical settlers seem to have a lot in common with Hitler, aside from their zealotry and genocidal tendencies.

Indeed. However, now read this out loud to yourself very slowly so it sinks in.....

ASHKANAZI JEWS ARE NOT SEMITES AND THEY DO NOT COME FROM THE REGION THAT YOU NOW CALL ISRAEL. THEY COME FROM AN AREA THAT IS ROUGHLY ROMANIA TODAY...

WHERE THE CURRENT BRITISH ROYAL FAMILY COME FROM FUNNILY ENOUGH


The Askanazi DO NOT share DNA with the Palestinians of anyone from that area. They are also the Zionists, and BIBI and his motley crew of murderers are AshkaNAZI as well... as was HITLER. And you know what.... Stalin was too.

Wittering softly...

Heh - point to the inaccuracies in that then?

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by ENT

Nowhere have I said that Arabs can only be Muslims, either.

No, what you did, as your protestations are proving, is you fabricated your percentage by taking the ARAB population as being only the muslims, and were found out. Zionist shill.

Liar.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

ASHKANAZI JEWS ARE NOT SEMITES AND THEY DO NOT COME FROM THE REGION THAT YOU NOW CALL ISRAEL. THEY COME FROM AN AREA THAT IS ROUGHLY ROMANIA TODAY...

The Askanazi DO NOT share DNA with the Palestinians of anyone from that area.

What a load of rubbish!

Try reading this, if you can;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneti...Jewish_origins

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by ENT

Nowhere have I said that Arabs can only be Muslims, either.

No, what you did, as your protestations are proving, is you fabricated your percentage by taking the ARAB population as being only the muslims, and were found out. Zionist shill.

Liar.

How very grown up of you. You were caught out, so now you call me a liar because i showed that you are full of shit.

It is very easy to pick apart all of the lies and propaganda the zionist lobby groups throw out.... that is if you have more than half a working braincell, which apparently you do not.

Seriously, ENT - repeat. The only person agreeing with you is PIWANOI. Surely that must tell you something.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by pseudolus

ASHKANAZI JEWS ARE NOT SEMITES AND THEY DO NOT COME FROM THE REGION THAT YOU NOW CALL ISRAEL. THEY COME FROM AN AREA THAT IS ROUGHLY ROMANIA TODAY...

The Askanazi DO NOT share DNA with the Palestinians of anyone from that area.

What a load of rubbish!

Try reading this, if you can;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneti...Jewish_origins

the last bastion of the defeated man - wikipedia. Any one can write anything on wikipedia. israel has offices full of students tasked with spreading their lies and rewriting history (all very Orwellian). You think they leave wiki alone as well?



Anyway - read that link Ent. A big flaw in it. Ask yourself this, son of zion that you are, if your dad was a jew, but your mum was not, are you a jew? When you know the answer to that, then read that again (well, for the first time because you never read it in the first place).

Not so. The last bastion of a defeated fool and a liar is a barrage of insults.