Thread: Israel will never withdraw from Golan Heights - Netanyahu

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Now don't get me wrong...Israel is far from innocence lost and perfect.
Point a finger at any country across the globe...different poop...same stench.

Sadly the nice Joos died in the ovens...their children are quite different for some reason , eh. One can only conjecture as to why.
The Brits have got deep shyte on their boots from two centuries of Empire building. I guess it's simply cartharsis for some in WASP-land. 'God save Her Majesty the Queen.'

[No offense intended.]

I never said they was Pee ,but for certain members to keep going on and on about the injustices suffered by the Pali's by the Israeli's when the whole world is awash with injustices ,some far more serious than what's taking place in the ME, Tibet being just one of them stinks to high heaven of pure hypocrisy , which is born out of the pathological hatred of the Jewish people .

For some unfathomable reason (it's not really unfathomable, it's attempting to divert), "Nobody ever comments on the Chinese in Tibet/Assad in Syria/Whoever in wherever other troubled place" indicates that a critic of Israel is antisemitic.
1. How do you know what else critics of Israel also criticise?
2. Are you peeved at everything, or do you have a pet peeve? People will have pet peeves without being particularly bigoted about whatever peeves them.
3. The troubles in Syria/Tibet/Wherever do not lessen the crimes of Israel.
4. The subject at hand is Israel. What's other p[laces got to do with it?
5. Diversion is an indication of no proper response.
6. Lets just say that a critic of Israel is an antisemite bigot. His criticism of Israel is no less true.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Israeli ingenuity is responsible for some of the world’s most amazing medical advances and will most likely affect or save our lifes !

Why are people here so concerned about a few square miles or the Palis? What's the big deal ?
No one gives a rats ass about other refugees in this world! Syria is a perfect example.

Sorry, but I'am not going to throw pearls at swines !
And pleeeeease stop the hypcrosy.

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and the list goes on and on.


Israel is the Diamond of the Middle East !

like it or not

You failed to mention Salk Vaccine that was invented by Jonas Salk the son of Ashkenazi Jews whose vaccine saved millions from the ravages of Polio , the list of Jewish achievements for the advancement of the Human race is endless , what have the Arab's in the ME ever produced ?. Oh I almost forgot , nicely painted floor tiles This must be a hard pill to swallow for the resident TD Jew Bashers Muslim vs. Jewish Contributions To Civilization ? Fortress of Faith

Whatever Jews have achieved, whatever Israel has given to the world, admirable as those achievements are, does not justify the crimes of Israel.
I wonder how many of those achievements would have come about if it were not for Arab pioneers in science and maths?
But it is beside the point. Israel is a rogue, criminal state, supported by the US. That it is a Jewish state makes no difference to me. If Israel was a Christian state and doing what it has been doing, it would still get the same level of criticism from me and most others.
The antisemite/Jew-basher card is simply another diversion.
It's as if a KKK member would not have been allowed or lauded for bashing the Rwanda genocide "He hates blacks so when he condemns the Hutus for the massacre of thousands of Tutsis, he's just being a black-hater and his words are empty and untrue".
A load of diversionary rubbish these race-cards.

Any one would think that Hamas in Gaza and Fatah on the West bank are bosom pals , the real truth is they are bitter enemy's .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Pa...neral_election

Originally Posted by piwanoi

http://http://www.al-monitor.com/pul...ponement.html# The Palestinians are run by a dictator ship who for reasons known best to themselves are years behind schedule for holding a General Election , and I read now that they have been suspended indefinitely , and in closing your #6 appears to have left out the word Hypocritical and HTF can the Israeli's sit round the table with Hamas when it steadfastly refuses its right to even exist? , and in closing are you suggesting that the Palestinians do not commit crimes against the Israeli's ? or are you saying that a Hamas Suicide bomber boarding an Israeli school children's bus and the detonating himself is of no consequence ? or the constant brainwashing of 3 year old Palestinian children to kill Israeli's? and who is to say that but for the 6 day war the Israeli's would still be occupying the Golan or the West Bank?

Re #6: What's hypocritical about a man (who happens to be a bigot), criticising a STATE that commits war crimes and crimes against UN rulings? You've given a non-sequitur response.
Israel doesn't have to sit around a table with Hamas, they have to sit around a table with the PA.
While Israel continues to expand into Palestinian territory, of course Palestinians are going to go postal. Wouldn't you?
Herzl's Zionist dream of the God-given Promised Land was the area from the sea to the EUPHRATES RIVER!!!! The Likud party's manifesto reeled that in a bit to be from the Jordan River to the sea. Whichever Zionist you look at, the founder or the continuers, they want all of Palestine. Now if that isn't wanting an end to the land that indigenous people have been living on for centuries, I don't know what is.
The piece in the Hamas charter that calls for Israel to cease to exist has been completely denied by latter day Hamas officials. It remains in writing, but not in spoirit. Hamas has agreed to a truce IF ISRAEL COMMITS TO peace....but Israel does not, and continues to spread it's settlements, provoking more hatred from an oppressed people.

I found this Video quite interesting it just confirms my opinion that the stumbling block to a peaceful solution is and always has been Hamas, who BTW are financed by other Islamic Countries to fight their war by proxy against Israel to the tune of hundreds of millions , with land being a magnificent excuse to fight it , once the peace process starts the dough stops its that simple, and the silk suited Hamas millionaire leaders living in exile will come down with a bang

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Any one would think that Hamas in Gaza and Fatah on the West bank are bosom pals , the real truth is they are bitter enemy's .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Pa...neral_election

Oh, ok then. I see.
That completely justifies Israel's settlement program then.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by piwanoi

http://http://www.al-monitor.com/pul...ponement.html# The Palestinians are run by a dictator ship who for reasons known best to themselves are years behind schedule for holding a General Election , and I read now that they have been suspended indefinitely , and in closing your #6 appears to have left out the word Hypocritical and HTF can the Israeli's sit round the table with Hamas when it steadfastly refuses its right to even exist? , and in closing are you suggesting that the Palestinians do not commit crimes against the Israeli's ? or are you saying that a Hamas Suicide bomber boarding an Israeli school children's bus and the detonating himself is of no consequence ? or the constant brainwashing of 3 year old Palestinian children to kill Israeli's? and who is to say that but for the 6 day war the Israeli's would still be occupying the Golan or the West Bank?

Re #6: What's hypocritical about a man (who happens to be a bigot), criticising a STATE that commits war crimes and crimes against UN rulings? You've given a non-sequitur response.
Israel doesn't have to sit around a table with Hamas, they have to sit around a table with the PA.
While Israel continues to expand into Palestinian territory, of course Palestinians are going to go postal. Wouldn't you?
Herzl's Zionist dream of the God-given Promised Land was the area from the sea to the EUPHRATES RIVER!!!! The Likud party's manifesto reeled that in a bit to be from the Jordan River to the sea. Whichever Zionist you look at, the founder or the continuers, they want all of Palestine. Now if that isn't wanting an end to the land that indigenous people have been living on for centuries, I don't know what is.
The piece in the Hamas charter that calls for Israel to cease to exist has been completely denied by latter day Hamas officials. It remains in writing, but not in spoirit. Hamas has agreed to a truce IF ISRAEL COMMITS TO peace....but Israel does not, and continues to spread it's settlements, provoking more hatred from an oppressed people.

Have you EVER read the Hamas Charter or covenant? and by the way check out how many years ago when the LAST Israeli house was demolished in Gaza .

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by piwanoi

http://http://www.al-monitor.com/pul...ponement.html# The Palestinians are run by a dictator ship who for reasons known best to themselves are years behind schedule for holding a General Election , and I read now that they have been suspended indefinitely , and in closing your #6 appears to have left out the word Hypocritical and HTF can the Israeli's sit round the table with Hamas when it steadfastly refuses its right to even exist? , and in closing are you suggesting that the Palestinians do not commit crimes against the Israeli's ? or are you saying that a Hamas Suicide bomber boarding an Israeli school children's bus and the detonating himself is of no consequence ? or the constant brainwashing of 3 year old Palestinian children to kill Israeli's? and who is to say that but for the 6 day war the Israeli's would still be occupying the Golan or the West Bank?

Re #6: What's hypocritical about a man (who happens to be a bigot), criticising a STATE that commits war crimes and crimes against UN rulings? You've given a non-sequitur response.
Israel doesn't have to sit around a table with Hamas, they have to sit around a table with the PA.
While Israel continues to expand into Palestinian territory, of course Palestinians are going to go postal. Wouldn't you?
Herzl's Zionist dream of the God-given Promised Land was the area from the sea to the EUPHRATES RIVER!!!! The Likud party's manifesto reeled that in a bit to be from the Jordan River to the sea. Whichever Zionist you look at, the founder or the continuers, they want all of Palestine. Now if that isn't wanting an end to the land that indigenous people have been living on for centuries, I don't know what is.
The piece in the Hamas charter that calls for Israel to cease to exist has been completely denied by latter day Hamas officials. It remains in writing, but not in spoirit. Hamas has agreed to a truce IF ISRAEL COMMITS TO peace....but Israel does not, and continues to spread it's settlements, provoking more hatred from an oppressed people.

Israel cannot commit to peace cos it simply has no right to exist http://www.quora.com/Does-the-Palest...right-to-exist

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Any one would think that Hamas in Gaza and Fatah on the West bank are bosom pals , the real truth is they are bitter enemy's .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Pa...neral_election

Oh, ok then. I see.
That completely justifies Israel's settlement program then.

And of course you have proof that even if the 1967 six day war were the Israeli's took the West bank from Jordan never took place that the Israeli's would still have annexed the West Bank then ?

Originally Posted by Maanaam

... the land that indigenous people have been living on for centuries,.......

You completely ignore the fact that Muslims aren't the original indigenes of Palestine.

Muslims didn't start to encroach upon and occupy Palestine, wiping out Xtians and Jews in the process until the 7th century AD., following that up with successive waves of Muslim Arab immigration right up until 1948.

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"The Islamization of Palestine occurred as a result of the Islamic conquest in 640.

It was a long process that included immigration of Muslim Arabs, as well as other Muslims, from other regions, as well as conversion to Islam by some of the indigenous Christian, Samaritan and Jewish population of the area.

Islam did not become the majority religion of Palestine until at least the 9th century and possibly even as late as the Mamluk era (1250–1516).

This occurred simultaneously with acculturation of the locals into Arab identity and the establishment of Arabic as the lingua franca, which eventually became their sole vernacula."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_Palestine

Muslim Arabs the indigenes of Palestine?

Don't make me laugh.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by piwanoi

http://http://www.al-monitor.com/pul...ponement.html# The Palestinians are run by a dictator ship who for reasons known best to themselves are years behind schedule for holding a General Election , and I read now that they have been suspended indefinitely , and in closing your #6 appears to have left out the word Hypocritical and HTF can the Israeli's sit round the table with Hamas when it steadfastly refuses its right to even exist? , and in closing are you suggesting that the Palestinians do not commit crimes against the Israeli's ? or are you saying that a Hamas Suicide bomber boarding an Israeli school children's bus and the detonating himself is of no consequence ? or the constant brainwashing of 3 year old Palestinian children to kill Israeli's? and who is to say that but for the 6 day war the Israeli's would still be occupying the Golan or the West Bank?

.


Re #6: What's hypocritical about a man (who happens to be a bigot), criticising a STATE that commits war crimes and crimes against UN rulings? You've given a non-sequitur response.
Israel doesn't have to sit around a table with Hamas, they have to sit around a table with the PA.
While Israel continues to expand into Palestinian territory, of course Palestinians are going to go postal. Wouldn't you?
Herzl's Zionist dream of the God-given Promised Land was the area from the sea to the EUPHRATES RIVER!!!! The Likud party's manifesto reeled that in a bit to be from the Jordan River to the sea. Whichever Zionist you look at, the founder or the continuers, they want all of Palestine. Now if that isn't wanting an end to the land that indigenous people have been living on for centuries, I don't know what is.
The piece in the Hamas charter that calls for Israel to cease to exist has been completely denied by latter day Hamas officials. It remains in writing, but not in spoirit. Hamas has agreed to a truce IF ISRAEL COMMITS TO peace....but Israel does not, and continues to spread it's settlements, provoking more hatred from an oppressed people.

Have you EVER read the Hamas Charter or covenant? and by the way check out how many years ago when the LAST Israeli house was demolished in Gaza .

yes I have.
Check out how many days ago yet another Palestinian house was demolished. What was your point re Israeli houses in Gaza?

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Maanaam

... the land that indigenous people have been living on for centuries,.......

You completely ignore the fact that Muslims aren't the original indigenes of Palestine.

Muslims didn't start to encroach upon and occupy Palestine, wiping out Xtians and Jews in the process until the 7th century AD., following that up with successive waves of Muslim Arab immigration right up until 1948.

---
"The Islamization of Palestine occurred as a result of the Islamic conquest in 640.

It was a long process that included immigration of Muslim Arabs, as well as other Muslims, from other regions, as well as conversion to Islam by some of the indigenous Christian, Samaritan and Jewish population of the area.

Islam did not become the majority religion of Palestine until at least the 9th century and possibly even as late as the Mamluk era (1250–1516).

This occurred simultaneously with acculturation of the locals into Arab identity and the establishment of Arabic as the lingua franca, which eventually became their sole vernacula."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_Palestine

Muslim Arabs the indigenes of Palestine?

Don't make me laugh.

Would you please point to where I have said Muslim Arabs are indigenous.
Please point to where I even mention the word "Muslim" in any context regarding Israel.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Maanaam

... the land that indigenous people have been living on for centuries,.......

You completely ignore the fact that Muslims aren't the original indigenes of Palestine.

Muslims didn't start to encroach upon and occupy Palestine, wiping out Xtians and Jews in the process until the 7th century AD., following that up with successive waves of Muslim Arab immigration right up until 1948.

---
"The Islamization of Palestine occurred as a result of the Islamic conquest in 640.

It was a long process that included immigration of Muslim Arabs, as well as other Muslims, from other regions, as well as conversion to Islam by some of the indigenous Christian, Samaritan and Jewish population of the area.

Islam did not become the majority religion of Palestine until at least the 9th century and possibly even as late as the Mamluk era (1250–1516).

This occurred simultaneously with acculturation of the locals into Arab identity and the establishment of Arabic as the lingua franca, which eventually became their sole vernacula."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_Palestine

Muslim Arabs the indigenes of Palestine?

Don't make me laugh.

Would you please point to where I have said Muslim Arabs are indigenous.
Please point to where I even mention the word "Muslim" in any context regarding Israel.

By inference,

From your post # 307;
" Whichever Zionist you look at, the founder or the continuers, they want all of Palestine. Now if that isn't wanting an end to the land that indigenous people have been living on for centuries, I don't know what is."

So who are the 'indigenous people you're referring to?

Jews and Xtians?

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by piwanoi

http://http://www.al-monitor.com/pul...ponement.html# The Palestinians are run by a dictator ship who for reasons known best to themselves are years behind schedule for holding a General Election , and I read now that they have been suspended indefinitely , and in closing your #6 appears to have left out the word Hypocritical and HTF can the Israeli's sit round the table with Hamas when it steadfastly refuses its right to even exist? , and in closing are you suggesting that the Palestinians do not commit crimes against the Israeli's ? or are you saying that a Hamas Suicide bomber boarding an Israeli school children's bus and the detonating himself is of no consequence ? or the constant brainwashing of 3 year old Palestinian children to kill Israeli's? and who is to say that but for the 6 day war the Israeli's would still be occupying the Golan or the West Bank?

.


Re #6: What's hypocritical about a man (who happens to be a bigot), criticising a STATE that commits war crimes and crimes against UN rulings? You've given a non-sequitur response.
Israel doesn't have to sit around a table with Hamas, they have to sit around a table with the PA.
While Israel continues to expand into Palestinian territory, of course Palestinians are going to go postal. Wouldn't you?
Herzl's Zionist dream of the God-given Promised Land was the area from the sea to the EUPHRATES RIVER!!!! The Likud party's manifesto reeled that in a bit to be from the Jordan River to the sea. Whichever Zionist you look at, the founder or the continuers, they want all of Palestine. Now if that isn't wanting an end to the land that indigenous people have been living on for centuries, I don't know what is.
The piece in the Hamas charter that calls for Israel to cease to exist has been completely denied by latter day Hamas officials. It remains in writing, but not in spoirit. Hamas has agreed to a truce IF ISRAEL COMMITS TO peace....but Israel does not, and continues to spread it's settlements, provoking more hatred from an oppressed people.

Have you EVER read the Hamas Charter or covenant? and by the way check out how many years ago when the LAST Israeli house was demolished in Gaza .

yes I have.
Check out how many days ago yet another Palestinian house was demolished. What was your point re Israeli houses in Gaza?

My answer was in reply to your question about Palestinian settlements in your post 309 ,cos the last Israeli was forced out of Gaza by the IDF Donkeys ago as a sign of goodwill , all it got was more rockets being fired into Southern Israel by Hamas .

This was in 2012 and SFA has changed one little bit , Hamas still want to annex the Whole of the state of Israel and turn it into one huge Islamic Caliphate , just like the other ragheads have got planned for Europe

Originally Posted by MrG

I'm sure you will feel the same when some Middle Eastern horde take over your little patch of Europe like European Zionists took over Palestine.

If Europeans start blowing each other up and the only priority is some stupid religious doctrine, I would say go ahead.

But maybe you forgot just one thing. The Middle Eastern horde called muslims have already arrived in Europe and are doing the same as in Israel. Israel is a scapegoat for all muslim problems in this world.


Example of Hordes from the ME.

https://teakdoor.com/world-news/16507...-arrested.html


P.S. You can never negotiate with a muslim, because they can not be trusted. Erdogan is fine example.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by MrG

I'm sure you will feel the same when some Middle Eastern horde take over your little patch of Europe like European Zionists took over Palestine.

If Europeans start blowing each other up and the only priority is some stupid religious doctrine, I would say go ahead.

But maybe you forgot just one thing. The Middle Eastern horde called muslims have already arrived in Europe and are doing the same as in Israel. Israel is a scapegoat for all muslim problems in this world.


Example of Hordes from the ME.

https://teakdoor.com/world-news/16507...-arrested.html


P.S. You can never negotiate with a muslim, because they can not be trusted. Erdogan is fine example.

Its a highly documented fact as a result of the 6 day war in 1967 the Israeli's annexed Gaza from the Egyptians and the West Bank from the Jordanians the Palestinians were a total non entity at the time.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

P.S. You can never negotiate with a muslim, because they can not be trusted. Erdogan is fine example.

Muslims will never deal openly and honestly with anyone, not even between themselves, as ordained in the koran and a whole list of hadiths.

Trusting a Muslim is like trusting a snake.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

P.S. You can never negotiate with a muslim, because they can not be trusted. Erdogan is fine example.

Muslims will never deal openly and honestly with anyone, not even between themselves, as ordained in the koran and a whole list of hadiths.

Trusting a Muslim is like trusting a snake.

So why is israel working hand in hand with Erdogan then?

I have always contended and will continue to do so that Hamas is the Stumbling block to peace with Israel, their Millionaire non elected leaders (future Elections are delayed indefinitely ) living in exile would not allow it ,cos then the Islamic gravy train of millions of dollars will hit the buffers , they shout Intifada whilst living safe in their penthouses in other Arab Countries , here is the Egyptian opinion of them I found it kinda funny in a sad way that so called intelligent people can't see through the Hamas Con trick .

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

P.S. You can never negotiate with a muslim, because they can not be trusted. Erdogan is fine example.

Muslims will never deal openly and honestly with anyone, not even between themselves, as ordained in the koran and a whole list of hadiths.

Trusting a Muslim is like trusting a snake.

So why is israel working hand in hand with Erdogan then?

Another one of your blatant lies.
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Erdogan: No deal with Israel while Gaza under blockade

Turkish president's spokesman says no reconciliation possible while siege of Gaza remains in place, despite officials suggesting deal is close
- See more at: Erdogan: No deal with Israel while Gaza under blockade | Middle East Eye

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Maanaam

... the land that indigenous people have been living on for centuries,.......

You completely ignore the fact that Muslims aren't the original indigenes of Palestine.

Muslims didn't start to encroach upon and occupy Palestine, wiping out Xtians and Jews in the process until the 7th century AD., following that up with successive waves of Muslim Arab immigration right up until 1948.

---
"The Islamization of Palestine occurred as a result of the Islamic conquest in 640.

It was a long process that included immigration of Muslim Arabs, as well as other Muslims, from other regions, as well as conversion to Islam by some of the indigenous Christian, Samaritan and Jewish population of the area.

Islam did not become the majority religion of Palestine until at least the 9th century and possibly even as late as the Mamluk era (1250–1516).

This occurred simultaneously with acculturation of the locals into Arab identity and the establishment of Arabic as the lingua franca, which eventually became their sole vernacula."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_Palestine

Muslim Arabs the indigenes of Palestine?

Don't make me laugh.

Would you please point to where I have said Muslim Arabs are indigenous.
Please point to where I even mention the word "Muslim" in any context regarding Israel.

By inference,

From your post # 307;
" Whichever Zionist you look at, the founder or the continuers, they want all of Palestine. Now if that isn't wanting an end to the land that indigenous people have been living on for centuries, I don't know what is."

So who are the 'indigenous people you're referring to?

Jews and Xtians?

Incredible that you cite me mentioning Zionists and equating that with mentioning Muslims.
But you bring up a very good aspect: Zionists are religious Jews, and want their fabled "Promised Land", while Palestinians are mainly Muslim, but their religion has nothing to do with their being upset that their land is stolen from them.

The religious aspect of this whole debacle pertains only to the Zionists.
Hamas, Fatah, Palestinian atheist...they all want Israel to stop encroaching. It's not a religious war at all, except for the Zionist's "We claim our God's Promised Land".

You are distracted by ISIS/Al Qaeda stuff from other places. Indeed THOSE Muslim fanatics are religious zealots and madmen. But Islamic zealotry has nothing to do with your average Palestinian resenting Israeli incursions. On the contrary, it is Jewish zealotry that is perpetuating the situation with it's belief in the "Promised Land"