The U.K and the E.U - In or out?

**piwanoi** · 16-06-2016, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Nice one, WTF did you find that little gem?

**Pragmatic** · 16-06-2016, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Maybe if we brexit it will have a domino effect ,from what I read that may be the case

Think more positive Piwanoi. When we Brexit......

**piwanoi** · 16-06-2016, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Maybe if we brexit it will have a domino effect ,from what I read that may be the case

Think more positive Piwanoi. When we Brexit......

Yeah of course you are spot on ,positive thinking is the way to go ,however I can't help but think when it comes to actually voting many will get cold feet .

**piwanoi** · 16-06-2016, 05:03 PM

Surprisingly good article from "The Guardian " The crumbling of the remain vote shows how hollowed out Labour has become | Suzanne Moore | Opinion | The Guardian

**Pragmatic** · 16-06-2016, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by piwanoi

when it comes to actually voting many will get cold feet .

I hope you're wrong.

**Pragmatic** · 16-06-2016, 05:08 PM

May be the Germans are getting ready to pull the plug on the EU?

One in ten Germans want a FUHRER to run their country, while 12% claim Germans are 'superior to other people'

One in ten Germans want a FUHRER to run their country, while 12% claim Germans are 'superior to other people' - Mirror Online

**Norton** · 16-06-2016, 05:14 PM

Week from today. Polls show exit with the lead but lately polls have been rubbish. We'll know soon enough. In the mean time the markets wiil be unstable and the £ will fluctuate.

**lom** · 16-06-2016, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Maybe if we brexit it will have a domino effect ,from what I read that may be the case

The other member states do have their fools but not in such a quantity that any of them will leave the union. If you brexit then expect to be the single outsider.

**piwanoi** · 16-06-2016, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by lom

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Maybe if we brexit it will have a domino effect ,from what I read that may be the case

The other member states do have their fools but not in such a quantity that any of them will leave the union. If you brexit then expect to be the single outsider.

I was referring to the article in my post 824 , and I have read rumblings from others Countries too ,of course no one really knows whats around the Corner do we?

**DrB0b** · 16-06-2016, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Nice one, WTF did you find that little gem?

The usual places, mailing lists and forums for gullible idiots who are incapable of doing their own fact-finding. It's saddening to see how many of the clowns here and elsewhere fall for this sort of nonsense, immigrant numbers, EU Costs, insane regulations, all lies but the idiots never fail to fall for them.

snopes.com Read Later
Of Cabbages and Kingmakers
3 min read original
Claim: A government memo regulating the sale of cabbages ran close to 27,000 words.

FALSE

Examples:
[Collected via e-mail, 2000]
Pythagorean theorem: 24 words
The Lord's Prayer: 66 words
Archimedes' Principle: 67 words
The Ten Commandments: 179 words
The Gettysburg Address: 286 words
The Declaration of Independence: 1,300 words
The US government regulations on the sale of cabbage: 26,911 words

[Collected via e-mail, April 2012]
For anybody who doesn?t fully understand the Euro situation,

it is explained very simply in the picture below........

THIS IS BRILLIANT - and loopholes Europe in a "few" words

Pythagoras' theorem - 24 words.
Lord's Prayer - 66 words.
Archimedes' Principle - 67 words.
10 Commandments - 179 words.
Gettysburg address - 286 words.
US Declaration of Independence - 1,300 words.
US Constitution with all 27 Amendments - 7,818 words.
EU regulations on the sale of a cabbage - 26,911 words

Origins: The wordy cabbage memo is often held up as a telling illustration of needless verbosity and prime example of the sort of pointless government Cabbage spending everyone is in favor of seeing cut from the bone. It's a shame such an archetype is naught but pure invention, yet it appears it was never anything other than the product of someone's fertile imagination.
Versions of the showcased list have been around for at least a half a century, with earlier ones decrying a memo by the government of France specifying the price of duck eggs, a British one referring to "shell eggs," and an American one (from 1953) about fresh fruits. While not all accounts agree on the precise number of words used in the various religious and patriotic texts pointed to as effective models of brevity, the 26,911 words expended in the cabbage tome eerily remains almost constant.

In 1977, Mobil Oil was fooled by this thing — it vectored the legend in its "Pipeline Pete" print advertisement as a bit of revealed truth. Mobil had found the item in a house organ published the year earlier by FMC Corporation, an agricultural concern in Chicago. That version went back to yet another publication that had found it printed on a card someone was carrying in his wallet.

A 1987 book (Pearls of Wisdom: A Book of Aphorisms) claimed an "EEC [European Economic Community] directive on the import of caramel and caramel products requires, apparently, no fewer than 26,911 words." Once again, someone was so charmed by a bit of authoritative-sounding apocrypha that he chose to pass it along as revealed truth.

In a 1965 case report on the great cabbage hoax, Max Hall was able to trace numerous print sightings back as far as 1951. Oral reports

gathered by him suggest it existed in the 1940s as well. Although Hall could not establish the precise origin of the story, he did conclude it might have first been applied to the Office of Price Administration (OPA) during World War II and then to the Office of Price Stabilization (OPS) in the period when price controls were in effect during the Korean War. Eventually, the claim came to be proffered as a more general ridicule of the government.
(We note that a U.S. Dept. of Agriculture document from 1945 which details "Standards for the Grades of Cabbage" falls about 26,000 words short of being a 27,000-word memo.)

Folklore this may well be, but the future for the non-existent cabbage memo still shines bright, if recent references to it are any guide.

In 1994, David McIntosh, who had served as executive director of Vice President Dan Quayle's Council on Competitiveness, passed along this tidbit as one of those little facts one supplies to bolster a position. That same year, Congressman Lamar Smith used it to decry administrative excesses, as did Senator Orrin Hatch during the Regulatory Act debate in 1994.

On a lesser scale of rumor-mongering, it also pops up in a 1992 monograph on regulatory costs by economist Thomas Hopkins. A New Hampshire coalition called "Get Government Off Our Backs!" was also bruiting it about in 1994. In 1993, Jack Critchfield, chief executive officer of Florida Progress Corp., passed along the cabbage tale in a speech to the Greater Largo Chamber of Commerce. William Randolph Hearst Jr. also stated it as fact in a 1992 article calling for federal spending to be slashed, attributing it to Joe Kingsbury-Smith, the newspaper chain's national editor. A columnist in California spread the wordy memo tale as fact in April 2000.

The cabbage memo has so far resisted all efforts to debunk it. The Washington Post has twice run bits detailing its known history (in 1992 and 1995), as did The New Republic in 1977. The San Francisco Examiner also tried to put paid to the memo in 1995, but to no avail. Some myths are too deeply cherished to be displaced by mere fact.

Barbara "crucifer robin" Mikkelson

Sightings: A version of the legend came up during an episode of television's West Wing ("100,000 Airplanes," original air date 16 January 2002).

Last updated: 9 April 2012

Cabbage Memo : snopes.com

**Neverna** · 16-06-2016, 07:23 PM

Oh dear. Too late. Piwanoi has already forwarded the 26,911 word post to 20 of his mates, who will have forwarded it to 20 of their mates, who will have ..... and by the time of the vote, Piwi's wordy cabbage chain mail will have reached 26,911 souls. So sad, so sad.

**Takeovers** · 16-06-2016, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Maybe if we brexit it will have a domino effect ,from what I read that may be the case

Who would that be? Greece voted for staying (in the Euro), knowing full well, how painful it would be. The alternative is worse.

All the eastern European countries voted in, no matter how high the price. If for no other reason, fear of Russia. They know they need every bit of western Europe integration they can get as a protection from russian agression. They knew it was coming all along while we might have been delusional about it.

The big countries central of the EU won't get out, too.

**Neverna** · 16-06-2016, 08:57 PM

Meanwhile, the debate continues on the Thames.

**Begbie** · 16-06-2016, 08:58 PM

farage outs himself as a Nazi with this disgusting racist poster. Hopefully people will understand and reject this scumbag.

**longway** · 16-06-2016, 09:11 PM

^ this is something well beyond anything to do with farage our any of the rest of them.

**longway** · 16-06-2016, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Maybe if we brexit it will have a domino effect ,from what I read that may be the case

Who would that be? Greece voted for staying (in the Euro), knowing full well, how painful it would be. The alternative is worse.

All the eastern European countries voted in, no matter how high the price. If for no other reason, fear of Russia. They know they need every bit of western Europe integration they can get as a protection from russian agression. They knew it was coming all along while we might have been delusional about it.

The big countries central of the EU won't get out, too.

What are you talking about? eastern European countries joined the eu for the cash. They still suck up subsidy as fast as they are given then, cut the cash and they are off. And the Greek people comprehensively rejected the eu.

We are one of the big countries.And one of the genus decisions of the eu was make us dependent on russia for natural gas.

**Takeovers** · 16-06-2016, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by longway

What are you talking about?

Reality. Not your strong point I know.

Yes, they get money from the EU. But do you have any idea how difficult and expensive it was to establish western systems in justice, infrastructure, industry and labour? To be in an open market?

Originally Posted by longway

We are one of the big countries.

You entered quite late though.

**lom** · 16-06-2016, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Quote: Originally Posted by longway We are one of the big countries. You entered quite late though.

and started to whine almost immediately after being allowed in..

**longway** · 17-06-2016, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Originally Posted by longway

What are you talking about?

Reality. Not your strong point I know.

Yes, they get money from the EU. But do you have any idea how difficult and expensive it was to establish western systems in justice, infrastructure, industry and labour? To be in an open market?

Originally Posted by longway

We are one of the big countries.

You entered quite late though.

The reality is that they entered for the cash. There was no price that had to pay, they did it for the money. The second the cash dries up, they will be offski.

Don't try your sneering with me. You have been rumbled, the reality is every single one of your points was bollocks. You haven't got the class to about you are wrong.

Do you are not even a Brit anyway.

**longway** · 17-06-2016, 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by lom

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Quote: Originally Posted by longway We are one of the big countries. You entered quite late though.

and started to whine almost immediately after being allowed in..

Interesting attitude from someone who wants the uk to stay in. Thanks guys it's been highly educational.

**Chittychangchang** · 17-06-2016, 02:30 AM

Germany’s Largest Bank Says Massive UK Growth After Brexit – BBC and Remainers Silent.

Germany’s largest bank has predicted British stocks will be the best performing in the continent and top UK firms will outperform EU rivals by as much as 5 per cent after a Brexit.
The forecast, from Germany’s Deutsche Bank, comes on the same day that the British Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne threatened tax hikes by reaffirming his catastrophic forecast for the economy, based on claims from the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) – a Europhile think-tank funded by the EU and the British government.

The IFS claims to be “politically independent”, yet receives 50 per cent of its money from the UK government and 10 per cent from the European Research Council (ERC) – financed by the EU and established by the European Commission.

The BBC, meanwhile, has not yet reported the news from Deutsche Bank. Furthermore, last night BBC News cited the IFS to dismiss claims Brexit would make more money available for public services, and introduced their spokesman as “many economists”.

Deutsche Bank’s predictions are based on the assumption that the value of sterling will continue to decline after falling by eight per cent since its November peak, making British goods cheaper abroad and driving exports.

A note from the bank stated that the UK stock market “tends to outperform during periods of GBP (pound) weakness” and claims the pound could fall by another five per cent by the end of the year.

Deutsche Bank concludes: “In the case of a Leave vote in the UK referendum (a scenario to which bookmakers’ odds attribute a 30 per cent probability), we expect UK equities to outperform the European market, given GBP downside in such a scenario as well as the market’s defensive sector structure.”

Germany?s Largest Bank Says Massive UK Growth After Brexit

**Bower** · 17-06-2016, 02:31 AM

Switzerland withdrew its long standing application to join the EU yesterday.

**KEVIN2008** · 17-06-2016, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Bob geldof is a self promoting idiot...

"Land Registry documents show that his luxury apartment in Battersea, South London, is owned by a company called Quiet Ventures, while Davington Priory, a mansion near Faversham, Kent, is owned by Bandol Holdings. Both companies are registered in the British Virgin Islands and have London contact addresses linked to Geldof's accountants, O.J. Kilkenny. As Geldof is a non-domiciled taxpayer, it means the houses - together worth an estimated £4m - would avoid the normal inheritance tax of 40%, or £1.6m."
Tax Justice Network: Melua, Norton vs. Geldof, Bono

**OhOh** · 17-06-2016, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Reality. Not your strong point I know. Yes, they get money from the EU. But do you have any idea how difficult and expensive it was to establish western systems in justice, infrastructure, industry and labour? To be in an open market?

Maybe if the EU had invested in the new Eastern European countries instead of the established countries they would have been making some profits. Unfortunately this hasn't happened.

Why do you think Asian countries are investing in the EU members economies, yes both developed and underdeveloped, to buy guaranteed customers, future profits of course. That was prior to the exposure of the invasion of non EU members citizens which appear to be diluting what the Europeans regard as "European" life, culture and morals.

As for the costs of EU standards etc. I am sure a "friendly" bank was able to get them to sign away the countries assets when the new entrant defaults. As they will as the EU via it's ECB is bankrupt by normal measures. But hey the European citizens through the ECB will be responsible to pay, pay and continue to pay for ever to the "friendly" bank who owns all the pledged assets.

Until the EU countries throw of the Ameristani yoke, get rid of their Ameristani investments - bonds TC and shares, get rid of the Ameristani occupying forces and military forces they will remain an Ameristani vassal. If the Ameristani threat to Canadian aircraft manufacturers is the new, Ameristani lead trade deals, way god help any who sign them.

The EU needs to choose between a vassal status, as it exists now, and a full global partner with all global countries.

The UK will take at least a Year or two to "extract" itself. It should use that time to vote for a political party who guarantees to rid the Ameristani yoke once and for all, in all ways.

**OhOh** · 17-06-2016, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by KEVIN2008

Bob geldof is a self promoting idiot... "Land Registry documents show that his luxury apartment in Battersea, South London, is owned by a company called Quiet Ventures, while Davington Priory, a mansion near Faversham, Kent, is owned by Bandol Holdings. Both companies are registered in the British Virgin Islands and have London contact addresses linked to Geldof's accountants, O.J. Kilkenny. As Geldof is a non-domiciled taxpayer, it means the houses - together worth an estimated £4m - would avoid the normal inheritance tax of 40%, or £1.6m." Tax Justice Network: Melua, Norton vs. Geldof, Bono

I suppose one has to have a wad of cash to invest in tax planning.

One day you may think it worthwhile, try not to be too late.

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