Thread: The U.K and the E.U - In or out?

The bookies are shrewd bastards , 11/4 seems big odds when most of the polls say the voters are in favour of out , I wonder why ?

Theres a few ways of looking at it,

The polls might be way off because people are ashamed to admit they are cowards who will vote to stay in and the bookies realize this
or
The bookies just set the initial odds, then change them as money is placed, to attract bets and ensure they win money whatever happens.
Perhaps many punters realize that while the real odds are 50 -50 , in reality the government is going to be fix the result ,
in which case 3, 4 or even 100 to one is still throwing your money away, so they aint betting, and the odds go up .

After the General Election polling debacle it hardly seems worth paying any attention to polls.

R U polling in or out, Bobby.......?

I, along with several colleagues in Germany, received my voting slip this week and have sent it off. One of the guys sent it but then couldn't remember which box he had marked...the rest say they voted the same as me, that is, to remain in the EU. So for those of you that have never known a person to vote to be in the EU, you do now.

The reason is simple, putting aside all personal issues with current work, leaving the EU is IMO a lose-lose situation for both the UK and the EU. It does not mean that there should not be changes, which I think every Country within the EU is aware, but problems should be dealt with from inside rather than simply giving up and splitting up.

On a personal level, I have decided to leave my work in Europe and return to the UK, which is where my loyalty remains. The mixture of square-heads and dagoes has been too much for one lifetime...

^
treacherous scum

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Registration is online and so is the postal voting form.

Now DrB0b here is a copy of my 'Poll Card' with my Thai address on it. Now being as it's a Thai address you'd think they'd send me a postal vote application at the same time. Nah that's too easy.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

there's no reason for you to receive anything through the post.

So why did I receive the above through the post?

Hey they might be sending forms out in Holland soon , and what a huge surprise EU FALLING APART: Now HOLLAND wants its own Brexit-style referendum | World | News | Daily Express

Originally Posted by Troy

I, along with several colleagues in Germany, received my voting slip this week and have sent it off. One of the guys sent it but then couldn't remember which box he had marked...the rest say they voted the same as me, that is, to remain in the EU. So for those of you that have never known a person to vote to be in the EU, you do now.

The reason is simple, putting aside all personal issues with current work, leaving the EU is IMO a lose-lose situation for both the UK and the EU. It does not mean that there should not be changes, which I think every Country within the EU is aware, but problems should be dealt with from inside rather than simply giving up and splitting up.

On a personal level, I have decided to leave my work in Europe and return to the UK, which is where my loyalty remains. The mixture of square-heads and dagoes has been too much for one lifetime...

If you are not willing or able to walk away you cannot succeed in getting a good deal. You can wish all you want, but tactically you have thrown away alot of our negotiating power.

yeah more paying £xxxxxxx a week to have Polish chavs and other 2nd world scum pollute our lovely streets.

The last of the real labour MPs telling it like it is :

DENNIS SKINNER has broken his silence over the EU referendum and revealed that he will vote to Leave

The veteran Labour MP was among the handful of MPs on either side of the debate who had not publicly declared how they will vote on June 23.
But the “Beast of Bolsover” has voted against every European treaty being incorporated into British law since he entered Parliament in 1970.
Speaking to the Morning Star yesterday, he confirmed he was backing a break with Brussels because he did not believe progressive reform of the EU could be achieved.

He said: “My opposition from the very beginning has been on the lines that fighting capitalism state-by-state is hard enough. It’s even harder when you’re fighting it on the basis of eight states, 10 states and now 28.

“In the old days they could argue you might get a socialist government in Germany, but there’s not been one for donkeys’ years.

“At one time there was Italy, the Benelux countries, France and Germany, Portugal, Spain and us.

“Now there’s just one in France and it’s hanging on by the skin of its teeth.”
Mr Skinner said the prospect of the NHS being subject to the rules of the pro-privatisation TTIP trade deal between the EU and US was also a “significant” factor in his decision to vote Leave.

Labour warned this week that workers’ rights, such as four weeks paid holiday, maternity and paternity leave, equal pay and health and safety laws, could be at risk if Britain leaves the EU.

But Mr Skinner pointed out many of those rights are enshrined in British law and believes the Tories “couldn’t shift them.”

He said: “What [the EU] should be doing, if it wanted to convince people like me, is have a directive to get rid of zero-hours contracts across the whole of the EU. That’s what I’d be looking for.”

Mr Skinner insisted that his wish to leave the EU was not “based upon waving a flag or immigration.”

Instead, he said, the country needs to learn from the miners if it wants to achieve community cohesion.

“When I left school and went to work in the pits I was working with displaced persons from Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania and so on,” he told the Star.

“The reason why that didn’t create a great many problems for the miners was that we insisted that they could not undermine our wages, they would be paid the same as us whatever job they did.

“And what’s more they had to join the appropriate union. That’s why there was harmony in the pits and that’s what should happen today.”
Although Mr Skinner will be voting differently to Jeremy Corbyn, he backed the party leader’s refusal to share a platform with political opponents during the campaign.

“I won’t join these Tory and Ukip campaigns, I don’t believe in helping to bolster their prestige,” he said.

“I told Tony Benn when he was surrounded by Union Jacks in Trafalgar Square that he shouldn’t be on that bloody platform.
“So I don’t play any part with them.”

Despite that, his intervention was welcomed by Labour MP Gisela Stuart, who leads the cross-party Leave campaign.

She said: “Dennis is one of the most respected figures in the Labour Party and his decision to vote to Leave will send a signal to many thousands of hard-working Labour supporters that traditional Labour values and workers’ rights are best protected if we leave the EU and take back control.”

https://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/...t#.V1sH1OQYNVZ

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by longway

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Registration is online and so is the postal voting form.

Now DrB0b here is a copy of my 'Poll Card' with my Thai address on it. Now being as it's a Thai address you'd think they'd send me a postal vote application at the same time. Nah that's too easy.





So why did I receive the above through the post?

Hey they might be sending forms out in Holland soon , and what a huge surprise EU FALLING APART: Now HOLLAND wants its own Brexit-style referendum | World | News | Daily Express

Originally Posted by Troy

I, along with several colleagues in Germany, received my voting slip this week and have sent it off. One of the guys sent it but then couldn't remember which box he had marked...the rest say they voted the same as me, that is, to remain in the EU. So for those of you that have never known a person to vote to be in the EU, you do now.

The reason is simple, putting aside all personal issues with current work, leaving the EU is IMO a lose-lose situation for both the UK and the EU. It does not mean that there should not be changes, which I think every Country within the EU is aware, but problems should be dealt with from inside rather than simply giving up and splitting up.

On a personal level, I have decided to leave my work in Europe and return to the UK, which is where my loyalty remains. The mixture of square-heads and dagoes has been too much for one lifetime...

If you are not willing or able to walk away you cannot succeed in getting a good deal. You can wish all you want, but tactically you have thrown away alot of our negotiating power.

We've got a good deal. All those big numbers being thrown around boil down to £2 a month each for the privilege of living, working, learning, and travelling anywhere in Europe.

And people from other eu countries get paid by us for the privilege of being able to live work travel learn anywhere in the UK, and it is difficult if not impossible to control who and the numbers of those people that come. And as English is the international language it makes it far easier for Europeans to work in the UK than vice versa.

Worth a watch when France have beat Romania..

EU referendum: Nigel Farage interviewed by BBC's Andrew Neil - BBC News

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Worth a watch when France have beat Romania..

EU referendum: Nigel Farage interviewed by BBC's Andrew Neil - BBC News

Farage? I've heard the name. Isn't he some has-been from a couple of years ago? Wasn't he a competitor on Big Brother or was it Naked & Afraid?

I believe he was on "Britains got Talent", didn't realise you was a fan of the program Bob.

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Worth a watch when France have beat Romania..

EU referendum: Nigel Farage interviewed by BBC's Andrew Neil - BBC News

Farage? I've heard the name. Isn't he some has-been from a couple of years ago? Wasn't he a competitor on Big Brother or was it Naked & Afraid?

I believe he was on "Britains got Talent", didn't realise you was a fan of the program Bob.

Not I'm an Ed Stafford man myself.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Worth a watch when France have beat Romania..

EU referendum: Nigel Farage interviewed by BBC's Andrew Neil - BBC News

Farage? I've heard the name. Isn't he some has-been from a couple of years ago? Wasn't he a competitor on Big Brother or was it Naked & Afraid?

I believe he was on "Britains got Talent", didn't realise you was a fan of the program Bob.

Not I'm an Ed Stafford man myself.

Fair play to you, that's a long way to tread water with all those piranhas

Originally Posted by longway

If you are not willing or able to walk away you cannot succeed in getting a good deal. You can wish all you want, but tactically you have thrown away alot of our negotiating power.

Throwing a temper tantrum threatening to take your toys and leave may have worked for you in the sandbox when young but is not a mature way of negotiating.
Europe laughs at you.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Well, yes. That's the way it works. You're not special and that's what's really upsets the exiteers, they just can't deal with others having the same rights as them. There's a reason why the phrase "little englander" is an insult and this idiotic belief that you should be in some way entitled to more rights than anybody else is why so many other European countries are looking forward so much to crushing BrItain if it leaves the EU. The stupid dreams of the remnants of the tufty club have left Britain in a position where either the economy will be destroyed, in the case of exit, or the next generation will spend its life with its lips firmly clamped around French and German cock. Well done chaps, brilliant move. Firmly in the great tradition of Eden.

Yes yes yes.
So fokking well said.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

"little englander"

what are you a timid, xenophobic, little europeaner ?
Need someone to hold your hand when you venture out into the global community?
Got an idiotic belief that you should be in some way entitled to more rights than anybody else, and want to join a little protectionist union so you can gang up and bully other countries ?
Other non European countries are looking forward so much to crushing Britain if we Don't leaves the EU, as there will no need to fear a resurgent UK, if we are flooded with more lower race immigrant trash, and hamstrung with silly rules , and American Ttip trade deal.

one good thing
after the vote stay, wins , us brave brexiters can seize the moral high ground and lord it over the sheep who voted for the farmer, when the federal EU turns real fucking nasty.

'Remarkable' 10-Point Lead For Brexit In Shock New Poll

Could it really be true? I hope so. A 10 point lead for brexit!

Originally Posted by lom

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Well, yes. I am a jumped up twat that just can't help myself masturbating wildly while I talk nonsense and fantasize about being superior to everyone who disagrees with me. I am sick please help me.

Yes yes yes.
Spray me with your cock juice.

It's a perfectly reasonable point, the immigration pattern is not a good deal for us, shrieking at me incoherently about it just didn't cut the mustard.

Secondly the treasury's own figures show that the impact of brexit by 2030 is that the UK economy will grow 20% rather than 27%, it's a dent, but hardly anything to become hysterical about.

The UK imports more from the other EU countries than it exports, so when you get EU politicians threatening trade repercussions in the event of Brexit, it would hurt them far more than it would the UK.

^ If they really want to crush us, why do the remain lot think that its a good thing to try and integrate further in the EU?

They fear Europe so much they think we have to surrender ourselves to them and hope for their mercy.

The level of fear and hysteria in the remain lot is bizarre.

Originally Posted by PAG

The UK imports more from the other EU countries than it exports, so when you get EU politicians threatening trade repercussions in the event of Brexit, it would hurt them far more than it would the UK.

Clouding the issue with facts again I see ,this must cease forthwith as certain members may resort to checking your spelling and punctuation but of course PAG you are spot on ,as the left's bible "The Guardian " readily indicates https://www.theguardian.com/business...erendum-brexit

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by PAG

The UK imports more from the other EU countries than it exports, so when you get EU politicians threatening trade repercussions in the event of Brexit, it would hurt them far more than it would the UK.

Clouding the issue with facts again I see ,this must cease forthwith as certain members may resort to checking your spelling and punctuation but of course PAG you are spot on ,as the left's bible "The Guardian " readily indicates https://www.theguardian.com/business...erendum-brexit

For the benefit of those for whom statistics are important, here are the UK Government's own figures, dated 9th June 2016:

https://www.uktradeinfo.com/Statisti...n-EU_Data.aspx

Thanks PAG , plenty of info out there saying the same as your link , that trade wise the EU needs us far more than we need them .