Thread: The U.K and the E.U - In or out?

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by lom

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No need to censor yourself Lom let rip (in the interests of free speech ) maybe you could read this article and then give us your opinion? ,it would appear as the song goes "times they are a changing " this from The Guardian Burning anger in the land of Nye Bevan: why a Labour heartland is backing Brexit | Politics | The Guardian

Interesting article.

Corbyn wants a Brexit.

He's just not got the guts to say it.

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Agreed. I believe that the core of 'Brexit' support is from those whom could be considered grass roots socialists/Labour supporters. They are the ones who have been most affected by the shortage of housing due in part to the increase in migrant numbers, as well as the expansion in competition for employment for the same reason.

The core supporters of 'Remain', or at least those given the most media coverage, are those associated with the economy, i.e. bankers, city types etc. These are perceived as panicking as their inflated salaries and annual bonuses could be at risk.

Overstating the risk to the economy in the event of a Brexit I think has only made more (bull) dogged a significant desire for the country to stand on it's own two feet.

Originally Posted by PAG

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Agreed. I believe that the core of 'Brexit' support is from those whom could be considered grass roots socialists/Labour supporters. They are the ones who have been most affected by the shortage of housing due in part to the increase in migrant numbers, as well as the expansion in competition for employment for the same reason.

The core supporters of 'Remain', or at least those given the most media coverage, are those associated with the economy, i.e. bankers, city types etc. These are perceived as panicking as their inflated salaries and annual bonuses could be at risk.

Overstating the risk to the economy in the event of a Brexit I think has only made more (bull) dogged a significant desire for the country to stand on it's own two feet.

You may find this rather odd as I did ,but the Unions are hardly Bankers or Indeed City types are they ? UK trade union leaders call on 6 million members to vote remain | Politics | The Guardian

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by PAG

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Agreed. I believe that the core of 'Brexit' support is from those whom could be considered grass roots socialists/Labour supporters. They are the ones who have been most affected by the shortage of housing due in part to the increase in migrant numbers, as well as the expansion in competition for employment for the same reason.

The core supporters of 'Remain', or at least those given the most media coverage, are those associated with the economy, i.e. bankers, city types etc. These are perceived as panicking as their inflated salaries and annual bonuses could be at risk.

Overstating the risk to the economy in the event of a Brexit I think has only made more (bull) dogged a significant desire for the country to stand on it's own two feet.

You may find this rather odd as I did ,but the Unions are hardly Bankers or Indeed City types are they ? UK trade union leaders call on 6 million members to vote remain | Politics | The Guardian

I guess you must have missed the bit where they gave their reasons. It's in the first paragraph and you probably haven't got that far yet.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by lom

self censored

No need to censor yourself Lom let rip (in the interests of free speech ) maybe you could read this article and then give us your opinion? ,it would appear as the song goes "times they are a changing " this from The Guardian Burning anger in the land of Nye Bevan: why a Labour heartland is backing Brexit | Politics | The Guardian

Interesting article.

Corbyn wants a Brexit.

He's just not got the guts to say it.

It is odd, isn't it? Labour have been anti-EU forever. Have to wonder why the U turn and why the silence about that U turn.

Maybe their Union paymasters might have some thing to do with it

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by PAG

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Agreed. I believe that the core of 'Brexit' support is from those whom could be considered grass roots socialists/Labour supporters. They are the ones who have been most affected by the shortage of housing due in part to the increase in migrant numbers, as well as the expansion in competition for employment for the same reason.

The core supporters of 'Remain', or at least those given the most media coverage, are those associated with the economy, i.e. bankers, city types etc. These are perceived as panicking as their inflated salaries and annual bonuses could be at risk.

Overstating the risk to the economy in the event of a Brexit I think has only made more (bull) dogged a significant desire for the country to stand on it's own two feet.

You may find this rather odd as I did ,but the Unions are hardly Bankers or Indeed City types are they ? UK trade union leaders call on 6 million members to vote remain | Politics | The Guardian

I guess you must have missed the bit where they gave their reasons. It's in the first paragraph and you probably haven't got that far yet.

Many grass roots labour voters would disagree to a high degree , I suggest you read the article in my post 626 .

Originally Posted by PAG

One thing is for sure, there will.be a lot of cross party blood.letting come 24th June. I foresee a snap general election and for both Cameron and Corbyn to relinquish thier respective party leadership.

The next two weeks are going to see an acceleration of personal attacks and discrediting of claims on both sides. A lot of bridges are.going to be burned for sure.

Thats true PAG , we are in for an interesting few months ahead of us , lets just sit back and watch the firework display eh I am not too sure though about your word "relinquish "

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Many grass roots labour voters would disagree to a high degree

Are these the uneducated, semi-literate, benfit claiming, cloth-capped dummies who vote Labour because their parents voted Labour ? Or, perhaps, the upper class twats who like to associate with poor people because it makes them feel good ?

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by PAG

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Agreed. I believe that the core of 'Brexit' support is from those whom could be considered grass roots socialists/Labour supporters. They are the ones who have been most affected by the shortage of housing due in part to the increase in migrant numbers, as well as the expansion in competition for employment for the same reason.

The core supporters of 'Remain', or at least those given the most media coverage, are those associated with the economy, i.e. bankers, city types etc. These are perceived as panicking as their inflated salaries and annual bonuses could be at risk.

Overstating the risk to the economy in the event of a Brexit I think has only made more (bull) dogged a significant desire for the country to stand on it's own two feet.

You may find this rather odd as I did ,but the Unions are hardly Bankers or Indeed City types are they ? UK trade union leaders call on 6 million members to vote remain | Politics | The Guardian

I guess you must have missed the bit where they gave their reasons. It's in the first paragraph and you probably haven't got that far yet.

Many grass roots labour voters would disagree to a high degree , I suggest you read the article in my post 626 .

I suggest you read the article you posted. By the way, have you got your vote sorted? Might be worth creating a poll here to see how many are actually able to cast a vote in the referendum and have actually registered to do so. .

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Might be worth creating a poll here to see how many are actually able to cast a vote in the referendum and have actually registered to do so. .

I received my polling card but it arrived to late for me to apply for a postal vote. Fcuking wankers.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Might be worth creating a poll here to see how many are actually able to cast a vote in the referendum and have actually registered to do so. .

I received my polling card but it arrived to late for me to apply for a postal vote. Fcuking wankers.

I have 3 sisters ,3 kids , 3 grand kids and 2 nephew's who are all voting for out so my thoughts are well represented back there .

Originally Posted by can123

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Many grass roots labour voters would disagree to a high degree

Are these the uneducated, semi-literate, benfit claiming, cloth-capped dummies who vote Labour because their parents voted Labour ? Or, perhaps, the upper class twats who like to associate with poor people because it makes them feel good ?

I would suggest that very likely its both

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Might be worth creating a poll here to see how many are actually able to cast a vote in the referendum and have actually registered to do so. .

I received my polling card but it arrived to late for me to apply for a postal vote. Fcuking wankers.

I have 3 sisters ,3 kids , 3 grand kids and 2 nephew's who are all voting for out so my thoughts are well represented back there .

So you're not voting then, piwi. You're just a loudmouthed hypocritical prick.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

I have 3 sisters ,3 kids , 3 grand kids and 2 nephew's who are all voting for out so my thoughts are well represented back there

Good.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by can123

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Many grass roots labour voters would disagree to a high degree

Are these the uneducated, semi-literate, benfit claiming, cloth-capped dummies who vote Labour because their parents voted Labour ? Or, perhaps, the upper class twats who like to associate with poor people because it makes them feel good ?

I would suggest that very likely its both

That was his point. Was it too sophisticated for you?

Originally Posted by DrB0b

So you're not voting then and were too incompetent to register in time.

But polling cards weren't sent in time notifying expats to apply for a postal ballot by 5pm 8 June.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by DrB0b

So you're not voting then and were too incompetent to register in time.

But polling cards weren't sent in time notifying expats to apply for a postal ballot by 5pm 8 June.

The post here is non existent, I often get my monthly true TV magazine a month late ,and my monthly bill for my true TV and Computer hardly ever arrives so much so that I pay 12 months in advance to save being cut off, I have had it out with Jan a few times to go and complain to the PO at Prakonchai , but you know what they are like it was my birthday May 4th, all my kids sent me a card plus my 3 sisters sent a joint one , I got them June 2!!!

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by DrB0b

So you're not voting then and were too incompetent to register in time.

But polling cards weren't sent in time notifying expats to apply for a postal ballot by 5pm 8 June.

Suuuuuuure! You'd think all these pundits who've been pontificating about this for years wouldn't have actually needed a reminder, what with their fingers on the pulse, their ears to the ground, and their arses in the air they should have been raring to go.

Anyway, late polling cards is a myth.

What actually happened is that the lazy expat windbags didn't bother to notify the electoral authorities that they wanted to be on the electoral register. It's the voters responsibility to register, not the governments responsibility to chase them. If people like Piwi are too stupid to keep their details up to date, their responsibility, then they shoud shut the fuck up about issues they have deliberately chosen to have no influence over.

WTF does shoud mean ?

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by DrB0b

So you're not voting then and were too incompetent to register in time.

But polling cards weren't sent in time notifying expats to apply for a postal ballot by 5pm 8 June.

The post here is non existent, I often get my monthly true TV magazine a month late ,and my monthly bill for my true TV and Computer hardly ever arrives so much so that I pay 12 months in advance to save being cut off, I have had it out with Jan a few times to go and complain to the PO at Prakonchai , but you know what they are like it was my birthday May 4th, all my kids sent me a card plus my 3 sisters sent a joint one , I got them June 2!!!

Bollox. Registration is online and so is the postal voting form. It's got nothing to do with postal delivery times to Thailand as there's no reason for you to receive anything through the post.

You're just a lazy windbag who couldn't be arsed to register and print out the voting form even though it takes less than 5 minutes. Hypocrite!

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Bollox. Registration is online and so is the postal voting form. It's got nothing to do with postal delivery times to Thailand as there's no reason for you to receive anything through the post.

DrB0b, you are talking bollix. I received my card a week or so ago. It took 16 days to arrive. It came via Holland. I shall have great pleasure tomorrow in posting a picture of my Poll Card with my Thai address clearly printed on it.

I guess many of us UK expats will mot be voting for one reason or another. Doesn't remove our need to observe or comment however.

From an observing point of view, we are by and large making assessments/arguments based on the media, with it's inherent prejudices for either side, with a healthy sprinkling of sensationalist reporting.

Many also have friends/relatives in the UK who have strong opinions.

On a personal level, I'm disqualified from voting having not lived in the UK for the past 22 years, and as such even if I could vote, I'd choose not to as whatever the outcome is the affect on me personally will be minimal.

That said, if I were to vote, it would be for 'Leave', and that having spent 10 happy years in Spain before coming here 9 years ago.