Thread: The U.K and the E.U - In or out?

Originally Posted by longway

Originally Posted by Troy

Originally Posted by blue

yeah more paying £xxxxxxx a week to have Polish chavs and other 2nd world scum pollute our lovely streets.

Originally Posted by longway

And people from other eu countries get paid by us for the privilege of being able to live work travel learn anywhere in the UK, and it is difficult if not impossible to control who and the numbers of those people that come.

The Country of which you are so proud:

Euro 2016: England fans in fresh clashes with police

Police in Marseille have deployed tear gas for a second evening to disperse England fans gathered ahead of the Euro 2016 football championships.
Officers in riot gear clashed with fans who threw bottles at police in the streets of the Old Port district.
BBC 5 live sports presenter George Riley said a group of England fans had appeared to be goading either the police or locals in the area.
France won the opening match in the tournament beating Romania 2-1.
The fresh clashes in Marseille began outside a pub in the same area that had been affected by trouble on Thursday and continued well into the night.
One England fan and one local man were arrested in the early hours of Friday after police had moved in with tear gas.
George Riley said the group he had seen gathering on Friday evening appeared "quite menacing", which prompted the 5 live team to leave.

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Euro 2016: England fans in fresh clashes with police - BBC News


A very 'special' people to be proud of eh?

The remain posters on here are an odd bunch. They try to dress up their wish to remain as having some kind of rational common sense basis, but it is clear it is just fear. They are contradictory hysterical and incoherent, and I suspect a fair amount of incontinence as well.

How is any of this relevant?

I agree HTF can this have any bearing on Brexit ? and besides that there are two sides to every story , this is the other side EURO 2016 CHAOS: Violent clashes break out after England 1-1 Russia | World | News | Daily Express

Bookies are offering 2-1 for a brexit now, well slashed odds..

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Britain would gain more from leaving the EU than it would lose, billionaire entrepreneur Sir James Dyson has said.
The inventor said the idea that Britain could not trade successfully outside the EU was "absolute cobblers".
He said the single market did not work because exporters had to adapt products like his to cater for different languages and different types of plugs.
Britain Stronger in Europe said: "James Dyson wanted the UK to join the euro. He was wrong then and he is wrong now."
Speaking to the Daily Telegraph, Sir James, who is best known for designing a bagless vacuum cleaner, said the UK "will create more wealth and more jobs by being outside the EU than we will within it".

"When the Remain campaign tells us no-one will trade with us if we leave the EU, sorry, it's absolute cobblers. Our trade imbalance with Europe is running at £9bn a month and rising. If this trend continues, that is £100bn a year."
Sir James argued that if, after a vote to leave, the EU imposed a 10% tariff on UK goods, Britain would do the same on imported EU goods. He said that because Britain imported far more from the EU than it exported there, it would bring in an extra £10bn a year for the UK.

EU referendum: Sir James Dyson says Britain better off out - BBC News

Its not just Dyson ,there are quite a lot of high profile employers who are running huge company's out there who support Brexit here is another EU referendum: JCB chairman tells staff of Brexit support - BBC News JCB employ's 6,500 right here in the UK .

There's hundreds! Not forgetting the CEO of Wetherspoons

250 business leaders back Vote Leave, as new poll shows EU stops entrepreneurs creating jobs - Vote Leave

Yeah Spot on , as I said quite a lot , these people ,many of them self made men who now employ hundred's thousand's should be listened to , I mean lets have it right , just who would YOU trust, one of them, or a career politician ?

And BTW just for those who are completly unaware Dyson employs 1,700 staff in Malmsbury Wiltshire Dyson factory so crowded it has 'workers in the CORRIDORS' after new staff intake - Mirror Online

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

There's hundreds! Not forgetting the CEO of Wetherspoons

yep, Tim and John know hao to make a penny or two.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

There's hundreds! Not forgetting the CEO of Wetherspoons

yep, Tim and John know hao to make a penny or two.

Yeah and to do so they have to employ 10s of thousands of people to make it for them

My opinion is that on Brexit, any impact on the UK trading with the EU will be short-lived. Almost half (48%) of the UK's exports go to the EU (£12.0 billion in April 2016).Te UK also imported £19.1 billion worth of goods in April 2016. This shows that the UK and EU are important trade partners and need each other. A Brexit vote won't change that.

"Every day, Europe exports hundred of millions of euros worth of goods and imports hundreds of millions more."

"EU trade policy seeks to create growth and jobs by increasing the opportunities for trade and investment with the rest of the world."

EU position in world trade - Trade - European Commission

Originally Posted by Neverna

My opinion is that on Brexit, any impact on the UK trading with the EU will be short-lived. Almost half (48%) of the UK's exports go to the EU (£12.0 billion in April 2016).Te UK also imported £19.1 billion worth of goods in April 2016. This shows that the UK and EU are important trade partners and need each other. A Brexit vote won't change that.

Yeah but this is not just about the UK'S trade deficit ,its for the UK to control its own borders and for our elected Government to make decisions without them being steamrollered in Brussels's .

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by Neverna

My opinion is that on Brexit, any impact on the UK trading with the EU will be short-lived. Almost half (48%) of the UK's exports go to the EU (£12.0 billion in April 2016).Te UK also imported £19.1 billion worth of goods in April 2016. This shows that the UK and EU are important trade partners and need each other. A Brexit vote won't change that.

Yeah but this is not just about the trade deficit ,its for the UK to control its own borders and for our elected Government to make decisions without them being steamrollered in Brussels's .

Of course it's not just about trade. I was just expressing my opinion on the trade issue as trade features heavily in the in/out discussion.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

its for the UK to control its own borders

That sounds like a good ideal and a good sound-bite but apparently ...

The many EU citizens already living or working in the UK would be unaffected. Their rights would be preserved and are in any case guaranteed by the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties 1969 which most EU member states have ratified. All these arrangements would, of course, be reciprocal.

Post-Brexit Britain could cut net migration by 100,000 a year. Here's how | Coffee House

.. so the million plus eastern Europeans that have flooded into the UK in the last decade are there to stay if they wish with nothing the UK can do about it.

The main thing in the debates, I have seen and seen quite a few is the fear of further Immigration and not just from EU Countries may I add .Brexit debate: Campaign warns migrants strain public services - CNN.com Suppose Turkey joins the Club and we are still in the EU?

Interesting article about Turkey and the EU The EU's embrace of Turkey could drive Britain out - Telegraph

The first Couple of minutes of this video just proves that Camoron cannot be trusted

and you think Nigel is ? one of the biggest fraud of UK politics,

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

and you think Nigel is ? one of the biggest fraud of UK politics,

Of course that's just your opinion , Even the "Beast of Bolsover" Dennis Skinner agree's with him on Immigration . Maybe you could watch the video and pick out the parts which make you think he can't be trusted

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Turkey really is the nail in the coffin - probably close to 60% will vote Brexit; it just remains to be seen if the Conservatives will commit suicide by refusing to adhere to the people's voice.

Just Britain voting to leave then demonstrations when the government refuses should be enough to get other demonstrations throughout Europe...

Camoron is a deranged liar David Cameron: I still want Turkey to join EU, despite migrant fears - Telegraph

Got a vote yet, Steptoe, or are you still just blowing hot air?

Cameron doesn't help his own cause. This morning on the Andrew Marr show he refused to say if he would use the UK veto to stop Turkey joining the EU. He just repeated 'it's not going to happen for decades'.

I don't see Turkey picking up EU membership for decades, if ever, either. Incompatible values.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Got a vote yet, Steptoe, or are you still just blowing hot air?

Well well back with the usual insults , were's your usual parting shot Fuck off Piwanoi ? yeah reading this and your post 717 and Longways 719 reply to it leads me to believe that your Europhile opinions are totally unstoppable

Originally Posted by ENT

I don't see Turkey picking up EU membership for decades, if ever, either. Incompatible values.

Really ENT? I seem to remember this guy coming back to England waving a piece of paper shouting "peace in our time" , that was not long before WW2 broke out