The 'Americans Getting Shot' Thread

[RPETER65]

Pretty hypocritical laughing at rushing a shooter and then suggesting the same action.

Yeah, that makes absolutely no sense.

What's hypocritical is Carson suggesting that he'd lead the charge to attack/disarm a shooter yet, in similar circumstances, he simply directed the gunman's attention to the stores employee.

And that's why he's laughable.

The point was not about laughing at Carson but about laughing at charging a shooter and then suggesting taking that very action.

[RPETER65]

Besides that all had more to do with Obama's land grabbing from states. Idiot

Excuse my french, but you're truly fucked in the head.

The land this weirdo racist prat (related to you?) grazed his cattle illegally for over 20 years
. . . you are aware that Obama hasn't been in office this long
- you are aware of term limits
- and you are aware that federal land has been around a lot longer than even you.

Can you answer 'yes' to any of these questions?

If so, you're a retard. If not, you're a retard

Win-Win, really

And you are not aware that at the same time as the big deal over the rancher Obama was trying to grab more land?

[RPETER65]

^
As long as you're inventing shit, you may as well look up; the sky is falling.

There is nothing invented in my posts, you just don't want look at what is really going on in America.

[RPETER65]

Question marks when asking a question might have helped, and you talk about my punctuation and spelling

I never asked you a question that is why there was no question mark you fool.

You support the burning of their own neighborhoods.

Oh I do? That's news to me.

Post 1063, that never happened before, is that a statement or a question.

[RPETER65]

Jeezus. Clearly some on both sides here who know shit about guns nor the laws that have been or are trying to be passed. Five seconds to reload a handgun? Must be a wheelchair bound geriatric.

I was being generous with the 5seconds, but thank you for making my point clearer.

[Seekingasylum]

Err, Mr Peter, you're talking to an empty room.

Time to quit, eh?

[AntRobertson]

The point was not about laughing at Carson but about laughing at charging a shooter and then suggesting taking that very action.

Then as per usual you're talking about a point that nobody else has so much as hinted at. Otherwise known as a straw man.

You do that. A lot.

[RPETER65]

The confederate flag has been around since the 1800's it was a flag of the south when they sought independence and it has been a symbol of southern states ever since, not a symbol of racism,

The US pre-bellum South was able to function only because of racism, which they used to maintain their slave based economy. They couldn't survive without slaves, and that flag was the battle flag supporting that system. Hence, it is a racist symbol. The dog whistle isn't that subtle.

And is it true today that the south can only survive with racism, no. The south has for years lived on without the need for racism, thus the confederate flag is only a symbol of history, do you recommend doing away with history books that bring to light the south's racist past?

[stroller]

Let's say I wouldn't want to see pics of slaves being whipped plastered all over townhall, would you?

[harrybarracuda]

The confederate flag has been around since the 1800's it was a flag of the south when they sought independence and it has been a symbol of southern states ever since, not a symbol of racism,

The US pre-bellum South was able to function only because of racism, which they used to maintain their slave based economy. They couldn't survive without slaves, and that flag was the battle flag supporting that system. Hence, it is a racist symbol. The dog whistle isn't that subtle.

And is it true today that the south can only survive with racism, no. The south has for years lived on without the need for racism, thus the confederate flag is only a symbol of history, do you recommend doing away with history books that bring to light the south's racist past?

Bit of a difference doing away with a racist symbol and documenting it in history books.

You seem to be drifting away from reality by the post.

[MrG]

How many times have you seen the cowards of today try to over power anyone.

There were the three guys in, I think it was France, who stopped the shooter on the train.Then there was the teacher(s) at the elementary school who charged the shooter. There are others. Lots of brave people out there. Ben's not one of them.

Are you one of those laughing at Ben Carson for suggesting that very act?

No. I'm laughing because Ben Carson suggests that act, then tells anecdotes from his own past that contradict that behavior and show him to be an utter coward.
Probably beeen eating mummified grain he bought when he visited the Pyramids.

[MrG]

Supreme Court rejects challenge to assault weapon ban
Reuters
Lawrence Hurley
WASHINGTON, Dec 7 (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday rejected a challenge by gun rights activists to a Chicago suburb's ordinance banning assault weapons and large-capacity magazines, handing a victory to gun control advocates amid a fierce debate over the nation's firearms laws.

The 2013 ordinance passed by the city of Highland Park, Illinois will remain in place. By opting not to hear an appeal of a lower-court ruling that upheld the measure, the justices declined to take up what would have been a high-profile gun rights case following a succession of mass shootings including the one last week in San Bernardino, California.

The Highland Park measure bans various semi-automatic weapons, including well-known guns such as the AR-15 and AK-47, in addition to magazines holding more than 10 rounds of bullets.

Two conservatives on the nine-member court, Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia, said the justices should have taken the case.

Thomas wrote a six-page dissent in which he said that despite recent pro-gun rights rulings by the conservative-leaning high court, several lower courts "have upheld categorical bans on firearms that millions of Americans commonly own for lawful purposes."

The U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment guarantees the right to bear arms, but there is a longstanding legal debate over its scope.

more at Supreme Court rejects challenge to assault weapon ban

[Troy]

Don't go threatening no police officer with a razor now....

(CNN)Another police shooting has been captured on video and posted on social media.

This one occurred Saturday morning when a Miami Beach, Florida, officer killed a man during a confrontation on a busy street. A passerby shot the video and posted it to Instagram.
On Sunday, police identified the man as David W. Winesett, 52. A police press release said he had been serving a 151-month federal prison sentence for bank robberies and had escaped from a Miami halfway house for prisoners.
David W. Winesett, 52, who was fatally shot Saturday by Miami Beach police.



Police started looking for the man after a report of a bank robbery, police Chief Daniel Oates said Saturday at a press briefing. The suspect was spotted a block from the bank, went into a barbershop and came out with a straight-edge razor, the chief said. The man raised his hand with the razor during a confrontation with police and was shot twice by an officer with a rifle, Oates said.
The video shows a shirtless man confronted by several police officers.
The man takes a couple steps forward, places his left hand on the front of a parked police cruiser and stops. His right hand can no longer be seen -- it is blocked from view by an officer to his side.
Moments later, the officer fires the rifle -- two shots can be heard -- and the man falls backward onto the street, clutching his chest. A scream can be heard.
Controversial Police Encounters
'It's tragic for everybody involved'

The man who was shot was Hispanic, police said. The officer, a six-year veteran, is Hispanic. The officer's identity has not been released.
Miami-Dade police, not Miami Beach police, will investigate the shooting, Oates said. The FBI and Miami Beach police will investigate the attempted bank robbery.
"It's a horrible, an isolated incident and it's tragic for everybody involved," Mayor Philip Levine said.
The FBI said a man entered a Bank of America branch about 10:26 a.m. and handed an employee a note saying he had a bomb and demanded money. After threatening to shoot a customer, the man left without money and didn't leave an explosive device behind, the FBI said.
Officers spotted the man about a block away, in the 1500 block of Alton Street.
The man went into the barbershop and at first refused officers' orders to come out, Oates said. When he did emerge he had removed his shirt and was armed with the razor, the chief said.
Chief says man had razor in his hand

"He was challenged by the officers in the street and at some point during that confrontation he did raise his hand with a straight-edge razor in it and he was shot," Oates said.
Oates said Miami Beach had recently instituted a body camera program and one of the officers was wearing a camera. However, state law prohibits releasing the bodycam video to the media at this point, he said.
Marcellus Johnson, who shot the video posted on Instagram, told CNN he was walking to get coffee when he noticed a crowd of people with their camera phones up.
"I looked to my left and there was a guy inside of the barbershop ... and he was banging on the window with a sharp object, maybe a knife or so," Johnson said. "The police were trying to get him to come outside of the establishment. He eventually came out."

Video shows Miami Beach police fatally shooting man - CNN.com

That CA shooting going down as terrorist must have saved a few NRA blushes...but really it was just some guy getting pissed [off] with work mates taking the mickey outta his beard....

Who's the nutter that thinks handguns can pack the same punch as an assault rifle?

At least the police aren't getting all the blame for gun homicides this winter....

[rickschoppers]

Comparison between .45 pistol and AK-47 assault rifle. The muzzle velocity is always a good indication of punching power.

.45 ACP
45caliberACP.jpg
.45 ACP cartridges full metal jacket (left) and hollow-point (right).
Type Pistol
Place of origin United States of America
Service history
Used by United States and others
Wars World War I – present
Production history
Designer John Browning
Designed 1904[1]
Variants .45 ACP +P, .45 Auto Rim, .45 Super
Specifications
Case type Rimless, straight
Bullet diameter .451 in (11.5 mm)
Neck diameter .473 in (12.0 mm)
Base diameter .476 in (12.1 mm)
Rim diameter .480 in (12.2 mm)
Rim thickness .049 in (1.2 mm)
Case length .898 in (22.8 mm)
Overall length 1.275 in (32.4 mm)
Case capacity 25 gr H2O (1.6 cm3)
Rifling twist 1 in 16 in (406 mm)
Primer type Large or Small pistol
Maximum pressure 21,000 psi (140 MPa)
Ballistic performance
Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy
185 gr (12 g) Bonded Defense 1,225 ft/s (373 m/s) 616 ft·lbf (835 J)
185 gr (12 g) Speer Gold Dot JHP 1,050 ft/s (320 m/s) 453 ft·lbf (614 J)
200 gr (13 g) Speer Gold Dot JHP +P 1,080 ft/s (330 m/s) 518 ft·lbf (702 J)
230 gr (15 g) Federal Hydra-Shok 900 ft/s (270 m/s) 414 ft·lbf (561 J)
230 gr (15 g) US Army Ball FMJ 830 ft/s (250 m/s) 352 ft·lbf (477 J)
Test barrel length: 5 in

AK-47[N 1]
АК-47.jpg
AK-47 with 6H3 bayonet
Type Assault rifle
Place of origin Soviet Union
Service history
In service 1949–1970s (USSR) 1949–present (worldwide)
Used by See Users
Production history
Designer Mikhail Kalashnikov
Designed 1946–1948[1]
Manufacturer Kalashnikov Concern and various others including Norinco
Produced 1949–1959[2]
Number built ≈ 75 million AK-47s, 100 million Kalashnikov-family weapons.[3][4]
Variants See Variants
Specifications
Weight Without magazine:
3.47 kg (7.7 lb)
Magazine, empty:
0.43 kg (0.95 lb) (early issue)[5]
0.33 kg (0.73 lb) (steel)[6]
0.25 kg (0.55 lb) (plastic)[7]
0.17 kg (0.37 lb) (light alloy)[6]
Length Fixed wooden stock:
880 mm (35 in)[7]
875 mm (34.4 in) folding stock extended
645 mm (25.4 in) stock folded[5]
Barrel length Overall length:
415 mm (16.3 in)[7]
Rifled bore length:
369 mm (14.5 in)[7]
Cartridge 7.62×39mm
Action Gas-operated, rotating bolt
Rate of fire Cyclic rate of fire:
600 rds/min[7]
Practical rate of fire:
Semi-auto 40 rds/min[7]
Full-auto 100 rds/min[7]
Muzzle velocity 715 m/s (2,350 ft/s)[7]
Effective firing range 350 m (380 yd)[7]
Feed system 30-round detachable box magazine[7]
There are also 5- 10-, 20- and 40-round box and 75- and 100-round drum magazines available
Sights 100–800 m adjustable iron sights
Sight radius:
378 mm (14.9 in)[7]

[RPETER65]

Err, Mr Peter, you're talking to an empty room.

Time to quit, eh?

Doesn't look like it. The ant will always be there.

[AntRobertson]

Gun control in US requires an attitude shift

5:00 AM Tuesday Dec 8, 201521 comments


America has long had a reputation of wanting to police the world. It is well past time it policed itself. Photo / iStock

Gun sales in the US have increased. Requests for access to courses at shooting ranges are up. Students from at least one Christian school have been encouraged to arm themselves. A New York Times editorial (the first the paper has carried on its front page since 1920) calling for stricter gun controls has had holes shot in it - literally. And a politician sent her Christmas greetings complete with a family photo with five adults and four young children - including her grandson - showing off their guns.

Why is this type of reaction to last week's mass shootings in the US no surprise? What is the peculiar irrationality that grips so many Americans when it comes to firearms?

The Times editorial, headlined "The gun epidemic", suggested reducing the number of guns and "eliminating some large categories of weapons and ammunition". It turned its sights on the country's now famous second amendment, too: "It is not necessary to debate the peculiar wording of the Second Amendment.

No right is unlimited and immune from reasonable regulation." All reasonable points, one would have thought.

Times publisher Arthur Sulzberger Jr also had a view for those who wondered whether in this digital age page one of the print edition still had power: "... the front page remains an incredibly strong and powerful way to surface issues that demand attention. And, what issue is more important than our nation's failure to protect its citizens?" (Closer to home, the overwhelmingly positive reaction from readers to this paper's front page on Friday - "Who will end this madness" - amply demonstrated Mr Sulzberger's point).

From this distance, most can but wonder how some form of stricter gun controls have not already been adopted in the US. Yes, the strength of the gun lobby is well known and, obviously by some politicians, feared. "Guns don't kill people: people kill people" has been a common refrain for many years. There is some little truth to that response, but it is in reality a weak argument.

Australia proved in the wake of the Port Arthur massacre that, even in the face of a powerful gun lobby, stricter controls can be implemented, including restrictions on certain types of weapons and vetting of gun licence holders. Regulations alone, however, are not enough. To win this battle, the US needs to win the hearts and minds of its people towards guns and gun control. It is a matter of changing attitudes - much as own our society's positions towards drink-driving, wearing seatbelts and even smoking have become far less tolerant.

There is a debate happening in this country about access to firearms, too. That discussion will only intensify here. While many of us - especially those who believe in the concept of personal responsibility - rue the attitude of introducing legislation to try to cover every eventuality, in this case in the US saner heads must prevail. As for the suggestions of some the solution is to further arm the populace? That is, quite frankly, lunacy. America has long had a reputation of wanting to police the world. It is well past time it policed itself.

"Peculiar irrationality that grips so many Americans when it comes to firearms".

That one sentence pretty much sums it up for me. A peculiar irrationality.

Medicines, cars, toys, just about every product there is has some form of controls on it to prevent or mitigate against injury/harm/death but when it comes to guns the absence of the same is a peculiar irrationality.

[Storekeeper]

Ant ... you're gonna love this:

[AntRobertson]

Hi there hoodies and hoodettes.

[bsnub]

Excuse my french, but you're truly fucked in the head.

If so, you're a retard. If not, you're a retard

Yes he really is.

And you are not aware that at the same time as the big deal over the rancher Obama was trying to grab more land?

No he wasn't. That is completely false. Propaganda.

There is nothing invented in my posts, you just don't want look at what is really going on in America.

Your posts are almost completely spin, propaganda and in many cases outright falsehoods. It is painfully obvious to almost everyone who reads your posts that you live in a vacuum reading and watching right wing propaganda and nothing else.

Post 1063, that never happened before, is that a statement or a question.

It was a statement you nitwit.

[RPETER65]

Excuse my french, but you're truly fucked in the head.

If so, you're a retard. If not, you're a retard

Yes he really is.

And you are not aware that at the same time as the big deal over the rancher Obama was trying to grab more land?

No he wasn't. That is completely false. Propaganda.

It is painfully obvious I am the only poster who is not a brain washed libtard.

There is nothing invented in my posts, you just don't want look at what is really going on in America.

Your posts are almost completely spin, propaganda and in many cases outright falsehoods. It is painfully obvious to almost everyone who reads your posts that you live in a vacuum reading and watching right wing propaganda and nothing else.

Post 1063, that never happened before, is that a statement or a question.

It was a statement you nitwit.

So you are saying burning of neighborhoods and killing cops never happened before.

It is painfully obvious I am the only poster who is not a brain washed libtard

[bsnub]

So you are saying burning of neighborhoods and killing cops never happened before.

You fcuking imbecile go back and read the post. I am saying that it is nothing new and HAS happened before. You were/are pushing a false narrative trying to blame Obama for everything that goes on in this country. I proved that to be false.

It is painfully obvious I am the only poster who is not a brain washed libtard

You are brainwashed. Everyone here is wrong and you are the only one who is right. That is proof in and of itself. A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.

Your sources have been constantly questioned and exposed as not legitimate media outlets but blogs started by right wing "think tanks" controlled by rich oligarchs like the Koch brothers. That is propaganda. You are to stupid to see it.

[RPETER65]

So you are saying burning of neighborhoods and killing cops never happened before.

You fcuking imbecile go back and read the post. I am saying that it is nothing new and HAS happened before. You were/are pushing a false narrative trying to blame Obama for everything that goes on in this country. I proved that to be false.

It is painfully obvious I am the only poster who is not a brain washed libtard

You are brainwashed. Everyone here is wrong and you are the only one who is right. That is proof in and of itself. A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.

Your sources have been constantly questioned and exposed as not legitimate media outlets but blogs started by right wing "think tanks" controlled by rich oligarchs like the Koch brothers. That is propaganda. You are to stupid to see it.

I brought your statement straight from your post. Never happened before is your statement, saying, it never happened before. Numbskull.

Pretty obvious one conservative poster is not going to line up with a bunch of brain washed libtards, go figure.

The key word in right wing(conservative) think tanks would be,THINK!

[bsnub]

I brought your statement straight from your post. Never happened before is your statement, saying, it never happened before. Numbskull.

Oh really. Below is the post in it entirety. Apparently you have reading comprehension problems. Did you get the little sarcastic smiley face?

Time to deflate the boogieman.

If you cannot see that America has transgressed into a nation in chaos you are a much bigger idiot than I thought.

Says fox news.

Black people burning their own neighborhoods

That never happened before.

police being executed on the street

That never happened before.

an insurmountable national debt

Due to two bogus wars and massive tax cuts for the wealthy thanks to the war criminals Bush and Cheney.



Racism is idiotic?

people fighting over state flags

Racist flag.

a govnt. controlled health insurance that is a disaster and falling apart

Working well for everyone I know. More right wing lies. Propaganda.

ISIS getting stronger and slaughtering people when the U.S. could have stopped them before they got started

Yep by not invading Iraq IS would have never existed. Another one on the war criminals.

the rights of Christians to follow their faith being challenged

More like keeping Christians from imposing their beliefs on others.

Sarcasm Repeter666. Apparently you are to stupid to get that.

The key word in right wing(conservative) think tanks would be,THINK!

They think all right. They think about how they can keep people like you dumbed down and misinformed. They have a specific job as propagandists to your oligarch masters who write their paychecks. That job is to pump as much misinformation and bullshit as they possibly can. To keep simpletons like you scared and completely detached from reality.

Pretty obvious one conservative poster is not going to line up with a bunch of brain washed libtards, go figure.

The fascists are the ones who are doing the brainwashing petey. You are a slave to the oligarchs. Some of us where never meant to be enlightened you are hopelessly enslaved.

[RPETER65]

I brought your statement straight from your post. Never happened before is your statement, saying, it never happened before. Numbskull.

Oh really. Below is the post in it entirety. Apparently you have reading comprehension problems. Did you get the little sarcastic smiley face?

Time to deflate the boogieman.

If you cannot see that America has transgressed into a nation in chaos you are a much bigger idiot than I thought.

Says fox news.

Black people burning their own neighborhoods

That never happened before.



That never happened before.



Due to two bogus wars and massive tax cuts for the wealthy thanks to the war criminals Bush and Cheney.



Racism is idiotic?



Racist flag.



Working well for everyone I know. More right wing lies. Propaganda.



Yep by not invading Iraq IS would have never existed. Another one on the war criminals.

the rights of Christians to follow their faith being challenged

More like keeping Christians from imposing their beliefs on others.

Sarcasm Repeter666. Apparently you are to stupid to get that.

The key word in right wing(conservative) think tanks would be,THINK!

They think all right. They think about how they can keep people like you dumbed down and misinformed. They have a specific job as propagandists to your oligarch masters who write their paychecks. That job is to pump as much misinformation and bullshit as they possibly can. To keep simpletons like you scared and completely detached from reality.

Pretty obvious one conservative poster is not going to line up with a bunch of brain washed libtards, go figure.

The fascists are the ones who are doing the brainwashing petey. You are a slave to the oligarchs. Some of us where never meant to be enlightened you are hopelessly enslaved.

No I did realize it was sarcasm, but as a statement it did not work, as a question ok.


Fortunate there are millions like me and thru a conservatives eyes enlightened would be more the word. You call us simpletons and yet some of the most brilliant minds in history have been conservatives, the same conservative type people that have, despite being simpletons, have managed to keep the U.S. going, as a leader in the free world for over 200 hundred years. History tells me you are a little off base.

[bsnub]

Fortunate there are millions like me and thru a conservatives eyes enlightened would be more the word.

Millions of dogma slaves. The very people who are destroying this nation.

the same conservative type people that have, despite being simpletons, have managed to keep the U.S. going, as a leader in the free world for over 200 hundred years

No they have not kept the US going. They have destroyed this country. The people that you vote for keep you in chains. They serve the corporate overlords. Slave.