Thread: 9/11 was an inside job

and what about the Passport evidence found by the US government ?

surely that's proof of who did it, what else would you need to believe the official story ?

the US government would never plant evidence

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Question: What happened to the Pentagon crash bodies? - Democratic Underground

Hijackers DNA profiles - 911myths

Note the two links at the end!

Those two links refute your claims

They do not

Read the actual quotes - not the commentary for each quote stating "this is untrue"

Since you obviously won't click on links (or edit links to make your claims sound more accurate):

Hijackers DNA profiles - 911myths

This in particular shows first the claims, then raises the questions, then provides the answers - thus, in the case of "where did the government get DNA to match the hijackers with?"

Forensic experts in New York say they have identified body parts of two of the 10 hijackers who flew planes into the World Trade Center on 11 September 2001.
Ellen Borakove, a spokeswoman for the New York Medical Examiner's Office, said the identifications had been made using DNA samples provided by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).
The FBI had collected the DNA from tiny traces of skin on the steering wheels of vehicles hired by the hijackers and from hair samples recovered from their hotel rooms.
Earlier this month, the FBI provided profiles of all 10 hijackers, including alleged ringleader Mohammad Atta, so their remains could be separated from those of victims.
"No names were attached to those profiles. We matched them, and we have matched two of those profiles to remains that we have," Ms Borakove said.
"We haven't finished our work, so it may be more," she added.
BBC NEWS | Americas | Remains of 9/11 hijackers identified

Nuclear DNA testing (along with dental records and fingerprints) of the remains from the victims aboard American Airline (AA) Flight 77 and within the Pentagon was useful for identifying 178 of the 183 victims. Five missing individuals (four within the Pentagon and one aboard the airplane) could not be identified due to lack of biological material from the crash. Five remaining nuclear STR profiles were obtained from the crash site that did not match any references for the victims. These profiles were thought to represent the terrorists aboard the flight. The 40 victims aboard the United Airline (UA) Flight 93 that crashed near Shanksville, PA, were also identified by nuclear DNA testing, dental records, and fingerprinting. Four nonmatching nuclear DNA profiles were also obtained from the crash site and again tentatively ascribed to the terrorists.
The DNA results strengthened the hypothesis that two of the terrorists were brothers, as indicated by other
evidence. Two of the terrorist STR profiles aboard the AA Flight 77 gave a sibling index greater than 500. To further test the hypothesis of maternal relatedness, AFDIL sequenced the HVI and HVII regions of mtDNA for these individuals. The sequences generated did match in HVI and HVII, which is consistent with a maternal relationship between the two men.
http://web.archive.org/web/200607202.../Edson2004.pdf

Finally, the conclusion of the link that you claims refutes my claims:

Still, despite the reservations, this is a little more evidence supporting the case that the hijackers were on board, and generally matched the (9 Arabs, including two brothers) FBI identifications.

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7li...timidentificat

Flight 93
Remains from every victim were recovered and positively identified.

The Pentagon
All but five Pentagon victims identified

Forensic feat IDs nearly all Pentagon victims

The remains of every flight 77 victim but one (a two-year-old) were recovered and positively identified by forensics experts. Personal effects of many survived the crash and fires and were returned to the victims' families. Articles on Pentagon disaster morgue operations and victim identification:

AA's correction of Wikileaks information e. Flts 11 and 77, 9/11

Airlines Flight 11|Flight 11]] (a [[Boeing 767]]). Although these flights were daily departures before and a month after September 11, 2001. Neither flight 11 nor 77 were scheduled on September 11, 2001. The records kept by the Bureau of Transportation Statistics (www.bts.gov/gis/) do not list either flight that day.

American Airlines: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by ENT

United identified the plane as Flight 93. The airline did say how many people were aboard the flight.
Internet Archive Wayback Machine

Here's the actual story, with a link that actually works, instead of your non-working link:

WCPO.com - The Web site of WCPO-TV in Cincinnati, Ohio

Plane Lands In Cleveland; Bomb Feared Aboard
Reported by: 9News Staff
Web produced by: Liz Foreman
9/11/01 11:43:57 AM

A Boeing 767 out of Boston made an emergency landing Tuesday at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport due to concerns that it may have a bomb aboard, said Mayor Michael R. White.

White said the plane had been moved to a secure area of the airport, and was evacuated.

United identified the plane as Flight 93. The airline did say how many people were aboard the flight.

United said it was also "deeply concerned" about another flight, Flight 175, a Boeing 767, which was bound from Boston to Los Angeles.

On behalf of the airline CEO James Goodwin said: "The thoughts of everyone at United are with the passengers and crew of these flights. Our prayers are also with everyone on the ground who may have been involved.

"United is working with all the relevant authorities, including the FBI, to obtain further information on these flights," he said.

The flight that landed in Cleveland was actually Delta 1989.

93 Landed in Cleveland

Liz Foreman, whose name was attached to this story, cleared this up in February 2006:

I thought it was time to set the record straight on a website error that's gotten out of hand.

I've been getting calls and e-mails for several years, all from folks who have seen my byline on a story (Plane Lands In Cleveland; Bomb Feared Aboard) about Flight 93, the plane that crashed in a Pennsylvania field on September 11, 2001.

The story in question, an Associated Press bulletin, was posted on WCPO.com during the morning of September 11, 2001. The story stated that Flight 93 landed in Cleveland. This was not true.

Once the AP issued a retraction a few minutes later, we removed the link.

There were two problems:

1)I only removed the link TO the story. We did not remove the story itself. This was my error probably due to the busy nature of the day - I was the only person updating the website until about noon that day, and things were crazier than they’d ever been.

2) The byline was incorrect. In my haste, I pasted the “Reported by: 9News Staff” byline from a previous story, but this was actually an Associated Press story.

Sometime in 2003 I received an e-mail inquiring about the story. I quickly removed the story, and wrote back to the person, thanking them for the heads up about the incorrect story.

Things didn't stop there.

Messages and phone calls started coming in about "Why did the government make me remove the story?" As is the nature of the net, folks had gotten a hold of the old story and posted it on their own blogs, fueling even more interest in the situation.

So, for everyone who is still wondering about this story, here are some frequently asked questions. I'm hoping this clears everything up once and for all!


FAQ

1. Where did the original story come from?
The story was an Associated Press bulletin that came across the news wires. Associated Press is a news service that many news organizations subscribe to for non-local news. The idea is that a local news organization can’t possibly have reporters everywhere in the world, so for that reason, we publish stories written by Associated Press journalists.

2. So you didn’t report the story yourself?
No, I work at the website in Cincinnati. I generally do not do any reporting out in the field. Also, I was not in Cleveland, nor does WCPO-TV have a Cleveland-based reporter. If you’re not familiar with the geography of Ohio, Cleveland is a good four hours away from us.

There were two problems:

1) I only removed the link TO the story. We did not remove the story itself. This was my error probably due to the busy nature of the day - I was the only person updating the website until about noon that day, and things were crazier than they’d ever been.

2) The byline was incorrect. In my haste, I pasted the “Reported by: 9News Staff” byline from a previous story, but this was actually an Associated Press story.

3. Why didn’t you remove the problem story page from the outset?
My mistake, that’s why. I removed the link TO the story, but didn’t remove the actual story. Then, the story page was indexed by the major search engines. I didn’t even know the story hadn’t been removed until after I was contacted by a member of the public.

4. Why DID you remove the page?
Because it was in error.

5. Why did you create this FAQ page? Isn’t that just fueling the fire?
I’ve been getting a ton of phone calls and e-mails about this recently and answering everyone would make it hard for me to get my day job – running the website – accomplished. Also, unlike the old media paradigm, which is “ignore it and it’ll go away,” the Internet means a two-way conversation with our website users. So, in the interest of media transparency, this is my attempt to clear the air.
http://blogs.scripps.com/wcpo/staff/..._93_story.html

I tend to believe the actual person who wrote the story, instead of some Adderal addled junkie reading people's palms on the weekend.

Seriously, ENT, do you really believe that your audience is as stupid and incompetent as you are?

You better hope the "handwriting interpretation" business picks up (not kidding, that's what he does for a living)

Originally Posted by ENT

AA's correction of Wikileaks information e. Flts 11 and 77, 9/11

Airlines Flight 11|Flight 11]] (a [[Boeing 767]]). Although these flights were daily departures before and a month after September 11, 2001. Neither flight 11 nor 77 were scheduled on September 11, 2001. The records kept by the Bureau of Transportation Statistics (www.bts.gov/gis/) do not list either flight that day.

American Airlines: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bummer for you that both of those flights were in the air that day.

I'm quite sure ENT is either a Saudi, Egyptian, Paki or Jordanian mole sent to TD to annoy people with his nonsense.

Originally Posted by Humbert

I'm quite sure ENT is either a Saudi, Egyptian, Paki or Jordanian mole sent to TD to annoy people with his nonsense.

Well, he'd be in good company along with Proofwreck, who is three of the posters "supporting" ENT. It's funny that a group calling themselves "truthers" only seems capable of dishonesty and misdirection (well, weak attempts at it, at least).

Following approximately 2½ weeks of remains processing and two months of DNA analysis, 183
unique identities were generated from the remains of those killed in the attack on the Pentagon,
yielding 178 positive identifications. Some remains for each of the terrorists were recovered, as
evidenced by five unique postmortem profiles that did not match any antemortem material
provided by victims’ families. No identifiable remains for five of the victims known to have been
killed in the attack were recovered.
http://www.integratedtrainingsummit....s/2005/266.pdf

"Some remains for each of the terrorists were recovered, as
evidenced by five unique postmortem profiles that did not match any antemortem material"

In other words, the only evidence offered that five hijackers' remains were found, is that those remains did not match any DNA collected from the other, listed, victims families.

Attemped proof by omission is no proof at all.

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Originally Posted by ENT

AA's correction of Wikileaks information e. Flts 11 and 77, 9/11

Airlines Flight 11|Flight 11]] (a [[Boeing 767]]). Although these flights were daily departures before and a month after September 11, 2001. Neither flight 11 nor 77 were scheduled on September 11, 2001. The records kept by the Bureau of Transportation Statistics (www.bts.gov/gis/) do not list either flight that day.

American Airlines: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bummer for you that both of those flights were in the air that day.

Not according to AA.

Originally Posted by ENT

In other words, the only evidence offered that five hijackers' remains were found, is that those remains did not match any DNA collected from the other, listed, victims families.

Attemped proof by omission is no proof at all.

Once again:

Hijackers DNA profiles - 911myths

You do know DNA results can also identify ethnic/racial origins, like Arab descent?

No, of course you didn't.

Again, from a link and quote already provided earlier, which (as usual) you refuse to read:

Forensic experts in New York say they have identified body parts of two of the 10 hijackers who flew planes into the World Trade Center on 11 September 2001.
Ellen Borakove, a spokeswoman for the New York Medical Examiner's Office, said the identifications had been made using DNA samples provided by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).

The FBI had collected the DNA from tiny traces of skin on the steering wheels of vehicles hired by the hijackers and from hair samples recovered from their hotel rooms.

Earlier this month, the FBI provided profiles of all 10 hijackers, including alleged ringleader Mohammad Atta, so their remains could be separated from those of victims.

"No names were attached to those profiles. We matched them, and we have matched two of those profiles to remains that we have," Ms Borakove said.

"We haven't finished our work, so it may be more," she added.
BBC NEWS | Americas | Remains of 9/11 hijackers identified

More about body parts mystery at Shanksville.

Coroner disputes disposal of partial 9/11 remains
CNHI News Service

SHANKSVILLE, Pa. - The coroner who handled victims' remains from terrorist hijacked Flight 93 that crashed here on Sept. 11, 2001, disputes a Pentagon report some unidentified body parts were cremated and dumped in a Virginia landfill.

Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller said only parts of two bodies were sent to government pathologists for DNA testing, and those remains were returned for burial at the crash site along with other unknown remains.

"It is upsetting to me," said Miller. "I have no idea what they're talking about."

Patrick White, president of the Families of Flight 93, joined Miller in rejecting the Pentagon report's reference to the Shanksville victims.
He said all unidentified remains of the passengers and crew of the flight were buried at the site of the crash immediately afterwards.

Coroner Miller, he added, had "complete care and custody of those remains from the first time he set foot on that crash site until we interred those remains."


U.S. Sen. Pat Toomey, R-Pa., said he has sent a letter to Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta asking him to "promptly clarify" the conflicting reports on the disposal of the unidentified remains of the Shanksville victims.
Coroner disputes disposal of partial 9/11 remains | CNHI News Service

Thanks for clearing that up - your entire quoted article refutes your title and claim. You really are a bona ride lunatic. Fitting company for ProofWreck.

Millers original reaction to the crash site.
Miller was among the very first to arrive after 10:06 on the magnificently sunny morning of September 11. He was stunned at how small the smoking crater looked, he says, "like someone took a scrap truck, dug a 10-foot ditch and dumped all this trash into it." Once he was able to absorb the scene, Miller says, "I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...&notFound=true

dbl post deleted.

More about the missing planes.

IT IS CONCLUSIVE - 9/11 AIRCRAFT AIRBORNE WELL AFTER CRASH
UNITED 93 IN THE VICINITY OF FORT WAYNE, INDIANA AND CHAMPAIGN, ILLINOIS AT TIME OF SHANKSVILLE ALLEGED CRASH

(PilotsFor911Truth.org) - More information has surfaced which conclusively demonstrates the aircraft reportedly used on 9/11, were airborne well after their alleged crashes. This article supplements our last, "ACARS CONFIRMED - 9/11 AIRCRAFT AIRBORNE LONG AFTER CRASH" in which the ACARS system is explained as well as how to determine if a message were received by the aircraft, along with how ground stations are selected through Flight Tracking Protocol based on messages routed to United 175, N612UA. We now have further evidence which places United 93, N591UA, in the vicinity of Champaign, IL, 500+ miles away from the alleged crash site in Shanksville, PA. This information is further corroborated by a (now former) United Airlines Manager of Flight Dispatch Michael J. Winter.
IT IS CONCLUSIVE - 9/11 AIRCRAFT AIRBORNE WELL AFTER CRASH

None of the passenger airliners allegedly flying into buildings or diving into the ground in Ohio on 9th September 2001 were involved in any crash.

There is absolutely no evidence to support the claims that four planes were hijacked and used that way.

No DNA from occupants of a plane could possibly be found in the Pentagon because;
a) according to Bush, the plane "vapourised" (bullshit, because there was no plane)
b) according to AA, there was no Flt 77 flying that day.

Either way, no evidence exists that Arab hijacker DNA was found at the Pentagon fire site.

The only assertion that there was any is in the old BBC link you gave,

Search the web, you won't find any confirming report to support the theory that highjackers' DNA was found at the Pentagon fire site.

It's a total impossibility.

There is no conclusive forensic, pathology or DNA report on UA Flt 93, only contradictory statements made by various parties concerned.

Similarly, WTC DNA evidence does not support the theory that Arab hijackers were responsible for the plane crashes and demolitions there.

Again, search the web and present any reference to conclusive evidence to support that contention, if you can.

Here, enjoy:

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/home

The 9/11 "truth" movement has dried up and blown away, having achieved none of its stated objectives or even bothering to get a single significant claim correct. See the "What's New" section below to get an idea of the type of people who still cling to kooky 9/11 delusions.

I will keep reposting this regularly in this thread. Anyone else, feel free to repost.

I looked at that site earlier, watched the fabricated vids. and amplified sounds. Total clutching at straws and amateur misrepresentation.

Compare that crap to all the other vids and audios along with firemen's (especially) accounts of the explosions and anybody will come to only one conclusion.

That you're a total twister jerking himself off on a forum. a TROLL.

Originally Posted by ENT

I looked at that site earlier

Thank you for confirming, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that you haven't even bothered clicking on that link and checking it out - in other words, that you have not actually been to that site.

BUSTED!

You're, simply boring and tiresome coming out with that outdated junk.
the site hasn't been updated or added to since last year and all the stuff on it is cherry-picked.

It's a total failure as any form of proof needed , quack-quack.

Great site, Cthulhu ! I particularly like the sentence "We've seen the staggeringly ignorant and outright bizarre nonsense spewed by Gage and the "experts" whose opinions he promotes".
Unfortunately we have a staggeringly ignorant person in our midst.....EMP.