Thread: 9/11 was an inside job

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Originally Posted by HansuMan

Too much cowbell?


Or just right?

Never too much cowbell dude

TERRIFIC!

How does this one look?

ISRAELDID9/11

Like a delicious double-decker 'ISRAEL DID 9/11' Reuben sandwich, I reckon?

Architects & Engineers:

Solving the Mystery of
World Trade Center Building 7

Great new vid, 81 mins great editing, fast moving & compelling from the start, and balanced in that they give much time to Jewish anti-zion/izzy activists as well as the facts. Their angle seems to be, all Jewish voices & sources throughout.

Advance to 59:00 for the top of the 'ISRAEL DID 9/11' part,

Architects & Engineers:

Solving the Mystery of
World Trade Center Building 7

Originally Posted by HansuMan

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Originally Posted by HansuMan

Too much cowbell?


Or just right?

Never too much cowbell dude

TERRIFIC!

How does this one look?

ISRAELDID9/11

Like a delicious double-decker 'ISRAEL DID 9/11' Reuben sandwich, I reckon?

Architects & Engineers:

Solving the Mystery of
World Trade Center Building 7

We here at TD should consider ourselves lucky to have the highest concentration of idiots, I mean experts, on the interweb.

Indeed Koojo - And we don't ever want you to leave

Originally Posted by Koojo

We here at TD should consider ourselves lucky to have the highest concentration of idiots, I mean experts, on the interweb.

I really think this thread has now reached MKP proportions.

That was your aim, and I hope DD don't do it.

Originally Posted by ENT

Yup, I own an 11 meter steel boat.

Heat travels through metal by conduction, and will travel fastest upwards and less quickly sideways.It hardly moves downwards.

Afternoon ENT. Your an amazing guy ENT. I give information on conduction and refer it too a fire on a steel boat and the Amazing ENT has got an 11 meter steel boat and has now turned into a expert on conduction.

On that 11 meter steel boat lives a Black cat which is not Black at all but really White.

ENT you may own an 11 inch toy boat but certainly not a 11 meter boat simply because you post 24/7 on this forum and never get out of your bedroom. You got no one to go out with anyway so stop bullshitting.

Anyway, just to keep your troll going.

With the amount of fuel load available in the Towers that day there was more than enough heat created for a sustained period to send conduction in anyway what so ever including well down into the floor below the actual impact and compromise the structural strength of the lower floor supporting beams.

Its all about the supporting beams you tool and fuk all to do with the outer walls.

School boy level explanation of Galileo's Law.

We have the acronym " F.I.G.J.A.M " .

This acronym has found its match made in heaven that being with our friend ENT. What a wanker.

You'e a total piece of nonsense Terry.

Originally Posted by terry57

With the amount of fuel load available in the Towers that day there was more than enough heat created for a sustained period to send conduction in anyway what so ever including well down into the floor below the actual impact and compromise the structural strength of the lower floor supporting beams.

Its all about the supporting beams you tool and fuk all to do with the outer walls.

As the planes did not hit the top floors, it doesn't really matter if any heat went downwards, as the weight of the top floors would have been enough when they collapsed. Just sayin'

As it stands, and as you appropriately pointed out, heat distribution is equilateral in metal, regardless of direction or orientation. Mind you *flames* burn upwards and the underside of *flames* is significantly colder than the above - which can lead to understandable confusion regarding heat transfer by less sophisticated individuals, particularly those that lack any formal education (except some dabbling in palmistry).

So, he claims now because he owns a metal hulled boat (haha, yeah, right) he is suddenly an expert metallurgist ? Really, what next? Claiming he is a physics expert in freefall calculations because he's watched "Star Wars"?

This thread truly has run it's course, and aside from Terry's entertaining daily postings, there's not really much worthy to keep. Stick a fork in it, it's done.

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

the weight of the top floors would have been enough when they collapsed

Absolute bollocks.

Originally Posted by terry57

We have the acronym " F.I.G.J.A.M " .

This acronym has found its match made in heaven that being with our friend ENT. What a wanker.

Great acronym, Terry, and a highly commENT.

Originally Posted by ENT

The NYFD reported that the fires were almost out at impact level and no fires from jet fuel were reported down at basement level.

Urm, Ok ENT, let me get this correct.

The fires where almost out at impact level " Floor 80 ? I don't know " but at the basement level on the ground they where out.

Is this what your saying ?

You foking complete idiot ENT, of course there was no fire at ground level.

Fuk me, I wish DD would sober the fuk up and delete this whole thread .

It serves a purpose though, that being the venue for punters to explore ENT'S trolling view and then Compare the come backs from the punters who put forward how fuk ups like ENT are just at the end of the day " Fuk ups "

Black cats, 11 meter steel boats, Jews, conspiracy, Bush, Explosive experts and no smoking gun.

Quite brilliant really if you stopped your schooling in grade 1.

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Absolute bollocks.

Albert, your just not digging the physics side of things are you ?

Your controlled demolition argument is fuked simply by viewing LD pic of the tower collapsing into its self.

Controlled demolishing is accomplished by severing the very lower supporting beams so the whole fuking lot collapses into a screaming load of shit.

Didn't happen that way did it.

Anyway ENT, shut the fuk up as no one gives a fuk what you think as your a proven mummy's boy and a troll.

Besides that, DD's going to ban your arse once he finishes gobbing off his katoey lover so get foking ready to fuk of to Sub Zero and join Aunty.

Just got a red from ENT saying I'm a liar and a stooge but I've never told anyone on this forum I've got an 11 meter steel boat and my Black cat that lives on it is really white.

You foking cock ENT.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

BTW, one of ENT's Youtube vids shows one of the WTC towers collapsing and the fire from the planes has not "almost gone out"....there is a lot of flame coming out at that level as the building collapses. And besides that, the metal would be weakened the most at that time anyway.

A little bit of information regarding fuel load.

ENT's schematics are brilliant as it shows us the core or skeleton of the building, great stuff for the lay person to see how these high rise building come to being.

Take the empty shell and fill it with every day things we find in any office or home , telephones, desks, ceilings, carpets you name it, it was in there.

Have a look at how a normal run of the mill house fire progress's from a small fire in the kitchen to burning the house down in short time if not controlled and the enormous heat that is generated.

Goggle up " house fire " and have a look .

Multiply that by thousands of times apply it to the Towers and one dont need a Brain surgeon to work out that there was some serious shit happening in the towers on that day.

Add a massive fuk off plane laden with fuel and its game over.

The fuel load in any building is huge and a firefighters enemy. Remove that fire load and one side of the fire triangle is gone resulting in fire out.

ENT and Co conveniently leave out the facts of what actually keeps a fire burning and go to lowest common denominator which is conspiracy theory and Jews.

Good for a laugh though.

Maybe when this thread is over all us dudes can go out on ENT'S 11 meter steel boat.

You foking wanker ENT.

Originally Posted by terry57

Controlled demolishing is accomplished by severing the very lower supporting beams so the whole fuking lot collapses into a screaming load of shit.

Didn't happen that way did it.

Funny you should say that Tel, I'm starting to think that's what happened. Not that the WHOLE building was rigged, but that they blew out the bases. (As you just described - I've been reading a bit about it. Untold people described the bomb sounds from the basements.

P.S your spelling is as bad as mine, and I doubt ya physics is much better pal

I wonder if the three stooges have finished trolling yet.

Two of them reckon heat travels down not up.

Who knows, they might put the cooker on top of the pot to boil water.

Originally Posted by HansuMan

FAQ #6: Why does AE911Truth Represent Only a Small Percentage of Architects and Engineers?
Written by John-Michael Talboo Wednesday, 14 December 2011 16:03


Q. Isn’t it true that the signatories at AE911Truth represent only a small percentage of all architects and engineers worldwide?

Regardless of the hundreds of architects and engineers
who have signed the AE911Truth petition demanding a
new investigation, the evidence for the WTC controlled
demolition stands on its own

A. Those who raise this point often do so in an attempt to avoid dealing with the scientific evidence brought forth by AE911Truth. The real question should be, ‘Is the evidence that they are bringing forth factual and worthy of a real investigation?’ To that question, the answer is yes. It doesn’t matter whether there is one architect and one engineer, or 12, or 100, or 1,600, or 16,000. Those who question the premises offered because the number of adherents to those premises is deemed too small are engaging in a logical fallacy often referred to as an ‘appeal to majority.’

Consider this example:

“7 in 10 doctors say the pharmaceutical drug Lipitor works, therefore it must work.”

It doesn’t really matter if 10 in 10 doctors say it works: If there is insufficient evidence to support the statement, we cannot simply trust a majority of opinions – particularly if there is a vested interest in dispensing the drug. If a large number of doctors believe that it works, then all that is really worthy of our time is further investigation for evidence to support the claim, but there is insufficient reason to blindly believe the unproven statement based only on a belief by a majority.

AE911Truth accordingly places its spotlight on the evidence for the controlled demolition of the WTC skyscrapers, and asks that people not simply believe any explanation blindly, but rather, consider all of the pertinent facts according to the scientific method.

It should also be noted that the failure to condemn the official story by such a ‘majority’ should not be viewed as an endorsement of it. One should not assume that the individuals comprising the majority opinion have all been exposed to all the relevant information on the topic. For example, a recent survey revealed that 75% of New Yorkers had never seen video footage of the destruction of WTC Building 7. It’s also true that most architects and engineers know nothing at all about the third worst structural failure in modern history.

To illustrate, a general lack of knowledge about the explosive WTC evidence was displayed among A/E professionals at the September 11, 2011, NYC premiere of the AE911Truth film, "9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out," when an individual who held a professional engineer's license asked during the Q&A session why he had never heard of AE911Truth. An architect at the same screening was found in tears over the terrible implications of the evidence.

Fox News Channel host Geraldo Rivera expressed great surprise when he invited Tony Szamboti, a mechanical engineer and signer of the AE911Truth petition, on his program in late 2010. For years prior to that, Mr. Rivera was dismissive of the 9/11 truth movement, but stated that he was, "much more open-minded about it… due to the involvement of 9/11 family members and the 1,300 architects and engineers.” In reference to the Remember Building 7 campaign, he said:
"What caught my eye is their claim that more than 1,300 architects and engineers examined the evidence about Building 7 and disagree with the official report issued by the National Institute of Standards and Technology."
It is also important to note that during each of over 200 live presentations of the evidence detailed in our documentary, 9/11: Blueprint for Truth, a show of hands afterwards consistently revealed that at least 85% of those who were either unsure or who accepted the prevailing opinion about the Twin Towers’ destruction beforehand wound up agreeing with the evidence for controlled demolition after seeing it.

In addition, there is no way to calculate how many A/E’s are aware of this evidence, but are unwilling to take a public stance on such a controversial matter.


Most technical experts have never had a chance
to view the or the other
pieces of evidence that confirm the controlled
demolition hypothesis

Even if the flawed argument of ‘strength in numbers’ is to be seriously considered, the comparison should actually be between the AE911Truth petition signers and those who have publicly supported the official story - after studying the evidence for controlled demolition. The latter group only consists of the several dozen engineers that created the NIST WTC reports, along with a handful of various professionals who have openly advocated NIST’s claims and dismissed those of AE911Truth. This total pales in comparison to the more than 1,600 architects and engineers (as of December 2011) who are calling for an independent investigation of the destruction of the Twin Towers and WTC Building 7. As , "There is a good reason why there is no group called 'Architects and Engineers that Publicly Support the Official Story’." The numbers would be embarrassing. Few have even taken the time to examine the more than 12,000 pages of documents intended to obscure the issues and ignore the most critical evidence.

Other ignored variables include the fact that there are more than 13,000 additional signatories at AE911Truth, which include many highly credentialed people in other fields equally as relevant to the issue. These ‘other’ petition signers include metallurgists, physicists, explosives experts and demolition contractors. Furthermore, there are other 9/11 truth groups which should also be taken into account that represent hundreds of people credentialed outside the fields of architecture and engineering, such as Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice, Firefighters for 9/11 Truth, and Pilots for 9/11 Truth.

Finally, as noted by AE911Truth contributing writer Gregg Roberts, the logical fallacy known as ‘moving the goalposts’ is also at play here. Roberts writes, "...'Debunkers'... dismissed our arguments first because, allegedly, no engineers agreed with us. While that was never true to begin with, after AE911Truth was formed and scores of engineers signed the petition, these debunkers predictably moved the goalposts, saying we didn't have any engineers who know anything about heavy steel structures such as tall buildings." However, dozens of structural engineers, such as those featured in the documentary 9/11: Explosive Evidence – Experts Speak Out, have rejected the official story in favor of controlled demolition, citing the overwhelming evidence for that conclusion, much of which was entirely ignored by the official reports. With the "argument from missing authority" refuted, Roberts concludes, "the goalposts will no doubt just be moved again by people who simply don't want to face the evidence."

Fortunately, these false arguments have not stopped hundreds of architects and engineers and thousands of other concerned citizens from examining the evidence and signing the petition for a real investigation. While strength in numbers is not proof in itself, it amplifies our voice as we share the truth of the World Trade Center catastrophe with the world.

This is a great post.

Originally Posted by HansuMan

An Appeal to Firefighters, Present and Past from a retired FDNY Lieutenant

Fellow Firefighters, A great tragedy befell our community on September 11, 2001, an unprecedented 343 deaths in the line of duty. As horrible as that toll is, if there were a rational explanation for it, we could accept it and mourn. We all understood the risk we accepted when we took the oath of office, that chance might cut short our lives when we placed ourselves in harm’s way in the public’s service. This is what we are paid for and it is our honor.

However, in short, the official explanation of the events of that day are not only insufficient, they are fantastic and cannot bear rational examination. We are asked to believe that on that day three structural steel buildings, which have never before in history collapsed because of fire, fell neatly into their basements at the speed of gravity, their concrete reduced to dust. We are asked to believe that jet fuel (kerosene) can melt steel. We are asked to believe that the most sophisticated air defense system in the world, that responded to sixty-eight emergencies in the year prior to 9-11 in less than twenty minutes allowed aircraft to wander about for up to an hour and a half. We are asked to believe that the steel and titanium components of an aircraft that supposedly hit the Pentagon “evaporated”. There is much, much more if anyone cares to look into it.

Trade Tower #7 by itself is the “smoking gun”. Not hit by an aircraft, with only a few relatively small fires, it came down in a classic crimp and implosion, going straight into its basement, something only very precise demolition can accomplish, which takes days if not weeks to prepare. The 9-11 Commission didn’t even mention it, and F.E.M.A. actually stated they DIDN’T KNOW WHY IT COLLAPSED AND LEFT IT AT THAT.

Brothers, I know that the implications of the above are hard, almost unthinkable, but the official explanation is utter nonsense, and three hundred and forty three murdered brothers are crying out for justice. Demand a genuine investigation into the events of September 11!

-Anton Vodvarka, Lt. FDNY (ret)


Lt. Vodvarka served on FDNY Ladder Co 26, Rescue Co. 3, Rescue Co. 1, Engine Co. 92, Ladder 82 and Ladder 101. He was awarded the Merit Class 1 award, the Prentice Medal.

And Terry, fer fuck's sake, when yer done down the bleedin beach of a morning listen to your brother.

Originally Posted by ENT

I wonder if the three stooges have finished trolling yet.

Two of them reckon heat travels down not up.

Who knows, they might put the cooker on top of the pot to boil water.