Yeah its those evil Farangs fault for flooding the market ,ain't that right Jeff :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pragmatic
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Yeah its those evil Farangs fault for flooding the market ,ain't that right Jeff :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pragmatic
Strange, but gate price for cup has gone up 5 Baht from the low at the end off the season. Don't know why, speculators may be, but 5 Baht extra buys a lot of beer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pragmatic
There was a report on the BBC two days ago about the demand for rubber. It focussed on the environmental angle but the rubber demand angle was clear.
Demand for rubber 'threatens forests'
The global demand for rubber tyres is threatening protected forests in Southeast Asia, according to a study.
Tropical forests are being cleared for rubber plantations, putting endangered birds, bats and primates at risk, say UK researchers.
By 2024, up to 8.5 million hectares of new rubber plantations will be needed to meet demand, they report in Conservation Letters.
This could have a "catastrophic" impact on wildlife, they warn.
Species such as the endangered white-shouldered ibis, yellow-cheeked crested gibbon and clouded leopard could lose precious habitat, said the team led by Eleanor Warren-Thomas, from the School of Environmental Sciences at the University of East Anglia.
"The tyre industry consumes 70% of all natural rubber grown, and rising demand for vehicle and aeroplane tyres is behind the recent expansion of plantations. But the impact of this is a loss of tropical biodiversity," she said.
"We predict that between 4.3 and 8.5 million hectares of new plantations will be required to meet projected demand by 2024. This will threaten significant areas of Asian forest, including many protected areas."
Eight-point-five million hectares is about the size of the land area of Austria.
Biodiversity concern
Rubber is the most rapidly expanding tree crop within mainland Southeast Asia.
Concern has been growing among conservationists that switching land use to rubber cultivation can harm soil, water and biodiversity.
There's more here: Demand for rubber 'threatens forests' - BBC News
Don't really see it happening, just a paper written by some know nothing people making predictions on limited facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
Unless there is a mega price increase in the next 2 years, those trees need to be in the ground in 2018 to be producing in 2024.
Oil prices will rebound and so will rubber prices . . . the lunacy of converting rubber to palm oil plantations a few years ago hurt many small farmers quite badly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
Rubber will claw its way back . . . and more is already being planted in Cambodia, Malaysia, Indomesia etc . . .
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Originally Posted by Neverna
Hardly know-nothing people . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by jamescollister
Forest Department has plan to seize back 5.1 million rai of rubber plantations - Thai PBS English NewsQuote:
The Forest Department has targeted to reclaim 400,000 rai of land in national forest reserves which have been encroached and transformed into rubber plantations this year, said the department head Mr Thirapat Prayoonsit.
There are altogether 1,221 forest reserves scattering across the country and more than 1,000 of them have been encroached. The encroached land totals 5.1 million rai of which 4.1 million rai are in forest reserves, about one million rai in national parks and about 10,000 rai in mangrove forests.
Most of the encroached land have been turned into rubber plantations and the encroachers range from politicians, influential figures to businessmen and ordinary people.
Does anyone have a link to a map showing the locations of these "forest reserves"?
Do you mean this? List of protected areas of Thailand - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaQuote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Protected for whom?:sssh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pragmatic
:rolleyes:
Thanks for the list. I find it extremely difficult to locate many of the areas listed. Thats why I was looking for a map.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pragmatic
(Reuters) - Big Asian rubber producers, including world No. 1 Sri Trang Agro-Industry Plc, are set to hike prices sharply, ditching a system of pegging prices near a benchmark set by the Singapore SICOM exchange.
The producers plan to charge a significant premium over the exchange-traded futures contract from the second half of 2015, a move that marks a radical pricing change in an industry where plummeting prices have hit farmers badly.
"Prices of SICOM no longer reflect the real cost of rubber production," a spokesman from Thailand-based Sri Trang told Reuters in an email, adding the company would also stop delivery to the bourse.
Singapore Exchange, which owns SICOM, was not immediately available for comment.
The move by Sri Trang was similar to plans by another major rubber producer, Halcyon Agri Corp Ltd.
Halcyon Chief Executive Robert Meyer said other Indonesian producers have done the same.
"There is a dislocation between SICOM prices and actual physical prices," Meyer told Reuters in an interview. Physical rubber prices are already 3-4 cents per kilogram higher than SICOM prices, he said.
Halcyon Agri and Sri Trang together account for nearly a fifth of global rubber output.
Other Thai growers Southland Rubber, Thai Hua Rubber and Sri Trang affiliates Rubberland Products and Num Hua, have informed the Thai Rubber Association they are taking the same steps, the industry group said in a statement to Reuters. (Reporting by Manolo Serapio Jr. and A. Ananthalakshmi; Editing by Joseph Radford)
Each link should have a map?Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Strange.. nothing on Sri Trang's web site? They are not growers as far as I can see.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamescollister
Reuters article has a (stock?) pic of Vietnamese cutter? ...interesting rain shades though.
No mention of paying more to farmers...more about their value add.
Reuters are a bit Fox News methinks..
A world commodity being manipulated, whatever next will they think of. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by jamescollister
Of rain guards:
Been contemplating the "rain take away all deah!" issue for years.
Thought perhaps a simple low cost solution maybe just to tie a plastic bag/sheet over cutting panel that flaps over cup using the old strip of inner tube ploy.
Most water comes down the trunk thence into cut,spout and cup. Think plastic would keep out 90% of rainwater.
Moving the sheet aside and hooking onto cup holder wire end to tap would perhaps take 10 seconds at the outside but the ROI of time could well reap rewards.
Think I will try a couple of trees near the house. If it works hopefully the evidence of their eyes will convince the cutters? 5555
Looked into commercial product but seemed gross overkill and overly expensive.
^^^^
Was thinking will try a few experiments:
One or two trees with just plastic panel and rubber retaining strip.
One or two with an underlying rubber strip to sandwich plastic panel.
One or two with liquid latex bead at join between plastic and trunk.
One or two with axle grease between plastic and trunk.
We will see...need some bloody rain first!!! 5555
^^^
More off the wall thought:
Think will ask the wife to make a cut above the panel ...just maybe it will divert most of the down trunk water without the need for any other solution?
Word from former PM Chuan.
https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...rmers-not.html
All been done before, crepitas - no need to re-invent the wheel
Rubber in China Enters Bull Market as Exporters Restrict Supply
Rubber in Shanghai entered a bull market as exporters attempt to restrict shipments to bolster prices, raising speculation a global surplus is shrinking.
Rubber for delivery in September advanced 2.9 percent to end at 14,470 yuan ($2,333) a metric ton on the Shanghai Futures Exchange, more than 20 percent above the Dec. 11 close of 11,910 yuan, meeting the common definition of a bull market.
Futures in December hit the weakest in almost six years as trees planted in the past decade in Asia matured and flooded the market just as China’s economy slowed. Producers including Thailand, the biggest exporter, are seeking to stem the loss by restricting shipments and reducing growing areas. Stockpiles monitored by the SHFE slumped to an 18-month low last week.
“Supply may decrease as exporters from Thailand to Indonesia are withholding delivery because of low prices,” said Kazuhiko Saito, an analyst at Fujitomi Co., a broker in Tokyo.
Five Thai and seven Indonesian exporters have agreed not to renew contracts with dealers who deliver rubber on the Singapore Exchange because prices are too low, according to Chaiyos Sincharoenkul, the president of the Thai Rubber Association. Futures in Singapore have lost 12 percent in the past year.
Goodyear, Bridgestone
Rising prices may boost costs for companies including Bridgestone Corp. and Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. and help farmers in producer countries from Thailand to Vietnam.
Inventories monitored by the Shanghai exchange rose 0.6 percent this week to 135,080 tons, climbing from the lowest since October 2013 and snapping a six-week decline, exchange data showed Thursday.
China’s rubber imports rose 24 percent to 220,444 tons in March from the previous month, rebounding from declines in January and February, customs data show.
“Chinese investors rushed to buy as rubber looked oversold compared with other industrial commodities, and as delivery restriction by exporters may create a shortage,” said Gu Jiong, an analyst at Yutaka Shoji Co., a broker in Tokyo.
Rubber on the Tokyo Commodity Exchange, which entered a bull market in December, rose 0.9 percent to close at 218.6 yen a kilogram ($1,837 a ton), the highest since March 4. Free-on-board prices in Bangkok climbed 1.2 percent to 58.95 baht ($1.79) a kilogram, the highest level since March
I was under the impression Synthetic rubber was in more demand.?
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Originally Posted by Neverna
James whats the measurement of a cup?
To be honest never really looked, just had a wander round the yard, but couldn't find any lying round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower
2 sizes used round here, guessing 500 mil and 250 or 300 mil, will look next time I go to a plantation.
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Originally Posted by Neverna
Sanction will be applied to these unconcerned countries! The birds and the bees must take precedent over the human race. Maybe the developing worlds farmers can leave a 2m strip around their plantations and get a government subsidy for it.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
Doesn't the BBC know that tropical forests regrow/become repopulated in a couple of decades.
:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
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Originally Posted by OckerRocker
Thank you for your input sir:
Always good to get valuable input to this forum from far more experienced farmers.
Since I am a lazy old bugger,I would rather not waste my time ‘reinventing the wheel’. Could you perhaps post information and photographs as to how you, at minimal cost, have solved the problem of rainwater taking away a nights work on your, no doubt, extensive, highly profitable plantation?
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Originally Posted by jamescollisterTo be honest never really looked, just had a wander round the yard, but couldn't find any lying round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower
2 sizes used round here, guessing 500 mil and 250 or 300 mil, will look next time I go to a plantation.
Jim, FYI for what it's worth:
Just asked the wife about size of our cups.
Seems we have 350mil to 1 litre.Mostly 1litre now as we continually swap them out. Apparently 1.5 litre also available…my ‘dear’ went into a long explanation about output of our various kinds of trees water content, latex types etc. which totally lost me…lol
Do you sell rubber by the cup, Jim? Or by the kilo? Or litre?Quote:
Originally Posted by jamescollisterTo be honest never really looked, just had a wander round the yard, but couldn't find any lying round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower
2 sizes used round here, guessing 500 mil and 250 or 300 mil, will look next time I go to a plantation.
We sell cup at the moment, so by the kilo, all the cup rubber is thrown in the trailer, then weighed and sold.Quote:
Originally Posted by NevernaDo you sell rubber by the cup, Jim? Or by the kilo? Or litre?Quote:
Originally Posted by jamescollisterTo be honest never really looked, just had a wander round the yard, but couldn't find any lying round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower
2 sizes used round here, guessing 500 mil and 250 or 300 mil, will look next time I go to a plantation.
In better times we make ribbed smoked sheet, higher price per kilo, but costs to produce.
We have heard that a latex [liquid rubber] buyer may be setting up shop nearby, so may go over to liquid, more work and price will dictate.
All rubber is sold by the kilo, dry rubber contain, you just get different prices depending on the state you sell it.
RSS, highest, sun dried sheet next, liquid and cup last.
Other processes can add valve, crepe, bailed or powdered.
Thanks, Jim.
Am I right in assuming the rubber more or less dries in the cups while they're on the trees?
You are correct, it's not really water soluble, so it congeals even when wet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
I read the price of Palm oil is just another knife in the Thai farmers back Democrat slams govt over falling prices of farm produce - The Nation
Think it's down round 2 Baht a kilo gate price, up and down, always the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by piwanoi
The small Thai farmer/government should be preparing for the end of small farming, really, could a farmer in the west live off 10 rai/4 acres.
Commercial farming is here to stay, no matter how cheap your labor is, you can't compete long term against big agro.
Small Thai farmers want to farm as they have from day one, a subsistence life style, but want cars, big TVs and western goods.
Not going to happen, the 2 are not compatible.
An astute summing up of the dilemma facing the small farmer ,maybe living in fantasy land could well be applicable too eh :).Quote:
Originally Posted by jamescollisterThink it's down round 2 Baht a kilo gate price, up and down, always the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by piwanoi
The small Thai farmer/government should be preparing for the end of small farming, really, could a farmer in the west live off 10 rai/4 acres.
Commercial farming is here to stay, no matter how cheap your labor is, you can't compete long term against big agro.
Small Thai farmers want to farm as they have from day one, a subsistence life style, but want cars, big TVs and western goods.
Not going to happen, the 2 are not compatible.
No you have to stir in formic acid to make it set firm.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamescollisterYou are correct, it's not really water soluble, so it congeals even when wet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
Acid speeds up the congealing process, rubber drys naturally.Quote:
Originally Posted by myktheminNo you have to stir in formic acid to make it set firm.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamescollisterYou are correct, it's not really water soluble, so it congeals even when wet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
Look at the beading on the tap cut, if it didn't dry by it's self, latex would flow forever.
That's why they tap in the cool of the night, drys slower, heat and wind cut output.
If the rubber is dry, Jim, why can the buyers discount price for moisture?
In that, is the money maker, totally dry, there should be no water content discount.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
Cup takes along time to dry and in high humidity will absorb moisture, even sheet, guessing the moisture content in your favor, adds baht to the profit.
Everyone is trying to get that extra Baht, when I was buying cup, people would inject water into the rubber, place stones in it, even the bark shavings.
Many rubber gate buyers go broke fast, they misjudge the water content, by the time they sell the weight has dropped more then they predicted water content and lose money.
Every buyer will go for the lowest price, discounting for water is a good way, but every seller wants the best price and he will sell to the buyer who discounts the least.
There are variations of the game, some buyers offer more per kilo, but discount for more water content etc.
Bit of a shell game. Jim
Thanks for the explanation, Jim.
TIT:
Wife just attended town meeting with village headman:
Many complaints as to the price of rubber, basic foodstuffs and the problem of constant rubber pilfering.
Question as to what happened to fertilizer subsidy.
Answer from headman:
Yeah but!!! Local government official with many rai had all his rubber stolen.
Such a shame…
Makes ya wanna weep!
21baht at gate today for cup..8% discount of course!