Thai Dhupp and Princess Joy's Thai House Build

[Klondyke]

Bougainvilla (FuangFaa) if kept in pot does not spread up so hugely as the one with roots in free space. Anyway, it's easy growing, liking a lot of sunshine, no need a watering. When having a support it can form a good fencing, gate, etc. A regular trimming is advised, with a bit protection (gloves, good shoes) is not really life threatening.

[Thai Dhupp]

Wishing you and the good lady, all the very best for the new year, in that beautiful new house of yours

Many thanks DM, and of course, here's to all good things for you in 2019.

As I finish Stage 1 and 2 (and 3), I will look forward to seeing your construction take place this year!!!

Any start date firming up yet?

[Thai Dhupp]

TD & PJ happy new year too you both.

Playing a bit of catch up, noticed the frames and see the light wood on the frames above. Now i don't know what the wood is but that usually denotes sap wood which you really don't want?

Hi NPT...thanks for the New Year message and same to you and yours!

Here's to a great 2019 for all of us.

Those window frames are Mae Daeng which has some colour variation. we have a similar thing on one or two planks in the bedroom flooring. Jeeez ...I hope that's what it is, anyway!

I think it is OK, but thanks for the heads-up ... that's just the sort of thing I would totally miss

[Thai Dhupp]

TD
Just be careful with the bougainvillea, while it looks very nice and there are quite a few different coloured flowers available it grows wild and needs to be well controlled.
The problem is because of the thorns it is difficult to prune. We have a little growing in a pot and it rips me every time I cut it back and then when I try to pick up the cuttings.
I once trod on a thorn and it when straight through the sole of my shoe into my foot and the tip broke off. I had to get it cut out.

Looks good, would make a prefect barrier but can be nasty to handle. I don't know about around your area but here it is growing in the middle of the highway in the drainage ditches so shouldn't be hard to get cuttings.

hi ootai,seasonal greetings to you and yours, and good luck for 2019

thanks for that ...

wow a very bad experience

good that the thorns might offer some protection against those that are aware of this danger though...

I will make sure that strong gloves (gauntlet type) and sturdy shoes are obtained and used by Princess Joy when she is doing the pruning work

[Thai Dhupp]

Bougainvilla (FuangFaa) if kept in pot does not spread up so hugely as the one with roots in free space. Anyway, it's easy growing, liking a lot of sunshine, no need a watering. When having a support it can form a good fencing, gate, etc. A regular trimming is advised, with a bit protection (gloves, good shoes) is not really life threatening.

it does sound like the plant I want, Klondyke, based on all the comments.

O f course, I will not be letting it get too high as I do not want to create a direct route over the wall for snakes, etc.!!

[Thai Dhupp]

Question time (again!!)

We are installing the 4000lit water tank, hopefully next week, after I have returned to Dubai.

K.Pot pointed out we will also need... a water pump!

OK.. I admit.. I did not think of that, but it is pretty obvious.

So yesterday we were in Thaiwasadu checking out some other stuff and went to take a look at what pumps were available.
Mr. Salesman thought he was on to a good thing - sell the stupid farang the biggest pump he could pull from stock based on house size... hmmm

''this is a 400,'... shows us a torrential downpour coming from 4 seperate taps ...' but for the size of house, you need an 800 minimum!!''. went straight to the most expensive one (of course) at around 14,000THB.

I let him play his game for 60 seconds or so, and was shocked to see how gullible PJ is... nodding with him then he and she trying to persuade me.

Lordy.. give the girl a job in the sales-force!!

Then I told her to ring K.Pot

just as I expected, and apparent by he face change after listening to him... we need a 200-250 maximum, and he recommends the 200 only.

Lil Mr. Salesman was quick though, changed tack and started pointing to 200-rated units, after dissing all of them as under powered, cheap, liable to fail and 'not a good buy', suddenly the most expensive ones were in fact, OK, good and 'the right choice'.


Coincidentally, the unit price was how he determined which the 'right' 800 unit for me was.

Which brings me to the question... which or these, or others is actually any good!!??

Any one got a good or bad tale to tell?

or, if not these in the photos.. which???































Thanks in advance for any info or guidance...

[NamPikToot]

Seconded. nasty stuff but you could let the slaves worry about that cutting

[VocalNeal]

A milliom Mitsubishi users can't be wrong? Eventually after many, many years the steel tank will spring a leak because of corrosion then you simply buy a new stainless tank fro a Mitsubishi pump shop.
Same goes for the internal non return valve spring. Available as a kit from said Mitsubishi pump shop.

There maybe some small advantage to going to a constant pressure pump but if the pump is correctly sized IE not too big a "standard" one will run continuously while you have a shower.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...46663374195630

[Thai Dhupp]

Seconded. nasty stuff but you could let the slaves worry about that cutting

I'm not a heartless boss... I will make sure it's quality PPE and that shes had all the training.....

[Thai Dhupp]

A milliom Mitsubishi users can't be wrong? Eventually after many, many years the steel tank will spring a leak because of corrosion then you simply buy a new stainless tank fro a Mitsubishi pump shop.
Same goes for the internal non return valve spring. Available as a kit from said Mitsubishi pump shop.

There maybe some small advantage to going to a constant pressure pump but if the pump is correctly sized IE not too big a "standard" one will run continuously while you have a shower.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...46663374195630

Thanks for that - very useful. I am keen on getting a brand I have heard of as a starting point so..Mitsu ticks that box.

I forgot to mention in the first post... we will have the standard supply coming in to the tank - nothing strange about that, but the water will then feed to both a hot water supply tank in the roof (100Lit Steibel Elton) AND the cold water lines.

Does that change any thinking?

Also, the schematic we were looking at in THAIWASADU showed the incoming line going to both the tank/pump line AND a second line directly into the house system. I think making use of the mains pressure to put at least some water into the system without the pump

1. is that viable everywhere and 2. does it make that much saving for the pump?

[NamPikToot]

TD is second VNs Mitsu suggestion, the engineering quality seems to be some of the best available in Thailand.

[David48atTD]

No reason you can't use it. Bougainvillea makes a nice hedge. Grows well here. Perhaps inside and outside wall. Very colorful.

+ 1 Extensive plantings in Australia

Bloomage (if that word exists) is moisture dependant. Little water before flower set really increases the display (in Australia) ... maybe they flower year round in Thailand?

Light pink and orange are two popular colours.

[Norton]

Go with Mitsu. 250 will be just fine as Kpot says.
Plumbing from pump into all cold water in at mixers and to heater. From heater to all hot water in at mixers. Hot water plumbed with UPVC.

KPot should have all this sorted by now.

[VocalNeal]

Thanks for that - very useful. I am keen on getting a brand I have heard of as a starting point so..Mitsu ticks that box.

I forgot to mention in the first post... we will have the standard supply coming in to the tank - nothing strange about that, but the water will then feed to both a hot water supply tank in the roof (100Lit Steibel Elton) AND the cold water lines.

Does that change any thinking?

Also, the schematic we were looking at in THAIWASADU showed the incoming line going to both the tank/pump line AND a second line directly into the house system. I think making use of the mains pressure to put at least some water into the system without the pump

1. is that viable everywhere and 2. does it make that much saving for the pump?

The tank in the roof is obviously higher than the rest of the taps/faucets in the house. So the rate of water filling the tank will slower when having a shower if someone else is peeling potatoes or watering their potted plants.

On the positive side the extra height evens out at the shower mixer. I had a 200 series Mitsubishi and had an instant water heater on the third floor. It worked fine for me. If you have a rain shower or a posh waterfall one you may have to factor that into the pump size. They pretty much all have the same head just pump a bit more water.

All the bleaters on here will tell you not to pump directly from the mains but a lot of shop houses in Bangkok do. From a supply security point of view it wouldn't hurt to have a cold water storage tank . i understand the storage hot water idea as it doesn't need as much wattage as an instant heater.

[Norton]

THAIWASADU showed the incoming line going to both the tank/pump line AND a second line directly into the house system.

I have this but only use if pump fails. A pump bypass essentially. Pressure on incomimg line is the trick. If to low as mine is then almost useless. Also, if to low and your filter needs higher pressure to backflush, then will need to plumb from pump.

Welcome to building your own infrastructure.

[VocalNeal]

Are the two water sources piped separately? It wouldn't hurt to have a valve in both systems just in case you need to balance the system to get the shower perfect. Ie one valve in the tank feed and one in the cold water feed. But even then it will all go awry if the potted plants get wated while you are showering.

[Klondyke]

All the bleaters on here will tell you not to pump directly from the mains

I do not know how the "bleaters", but it is really criminal to suck by pump the water from a city mains. Firstly, you will suck the water from your neighbours - he will surely thank you - secondly, you might pull back from him (to yourself) all the rubish in his system, e.g., if his shower hose laying in his full bath tube, you will shower in his second-hand water.

If using your own pump, in-taking only from your own source, i.e. tank.

A simple sketch (without the well, just the red incomer from city mains):

[Klondyke]

For the automatic pump - something like you show the round Mitsubishi ot similar, some 5,000 - 6,000 Baht, no headache in your lifetime.

[Norton]

That's it exactly. A picture is worth 1,000 words.

[Airportwo]

I have this but only use if pump fails. A pump bypass essentially. Pressure on incomimg line is the trick. If to low as mine is then almost useless. Also, if to low and your filter needs higher pressure to backflush, then will need to plumb from pump.

Welcome to building your own infrastructure.

Good points, I would add you have to build to suit your supply, we get city water supply 18 hours a day pretty much guaranteed, so have only a 1,000 ltr stainless tank, the water is clean and requires no further filtration. How's yours?
Bypass line can come in handy when/if you have power cuts as we do on occasion.
I like a strong shower so ran 3/4" piping internally then down to 1/2" to showers etc, if you have 1/2" piping throughout pressure losses will be higher in the system giving less pressure.
We have a Grundfos CMB-PT for the house, this replaced a WM400 Inverter, relies on mechanical not electronics to work, problem we had with Inverter is they are stuck outside in the heat and the PC boards are not happy and don't last very long.
Good luck and all the best for the New Year

[Thai Dhupp]

Go with Mitsu. 250 will be just fine as Kpot says.
Plumbing from pump into all cold water in at mixers and to heater. From heater to all hot water in at mixers. Hot water plumbed with UPVC.

KPot should have all this sorted by now.

Yeah Norton... he's got all the house side lines installed. Just need to make the connections from the actual 'supply'.

K.Pot is only just making the tank foundations now

[Thai Dhupp]

+ 1 Extensive plantings in Australia

Bloomage (if that word exists) is moisture dependant. Little water before flower set really increases the display (in Australia) ... maybe they flower year round in Thailand?

Light pink and orange are two popular colours.

With a good bloomage display AND thorn deterrent it seems to be the perfect choice, David

[Thai Dhupp]

TD is second VNs Mitsu suggestion, the engineering quality seems to be some of the best available in Thailand.

...interestingly NPT, the Thaiwasadu salesman was less impressed with Mitsu and kept bypassing it - could it possibly be something to do with commission potential?!!

[Norton]

How's yours?

Horrid. Not often off but slower than molasses in January and usually heavy with sediment.

[Thai Dhupp]

The tank in the roof is obviously higher than the rest of the taps/faucets in the house. So the rate of water filling the tank will slower when having a shower if someone else is peeling potatoes or watering their potted plants.

On the positive side the extra height evens out at the shower mixer. I had a 200 series Mitsubishi and had an instant water heater on the third floor. It worked fine for me. If you have a rain shower or a posh waterfall one you may have to factor that into the pump size. They pretty much all have the same head just pump a bit more water.

All the bleaters on here will tell you not to pump directly from the mains but a lot of shop houses in Bangkok do. From a supply security point of view it wouldn't hurt to have a cold water storage tank . i understand the storage hot water idea as it doesn't need as much wattage as an instant heater.

Yep VN, the hot water tank is the highest piece of the system

Got a larger shower head in the en-suite - do you think it might struggle for hot or cold water? I was looking at an even bigger shower head here!! . maybe i could fit a single small shower water tank just for this? there is certainly room and all the pumps in my initial question could pump the the roof ridge if needed

Of course, currently there are no electric showers in any bathrooms. In the future, if necessary, we could fit those into stage 4. (the third part of the house)