Thread: Man Attempts to Set Off Explosives on Northwest Airlines Plane

Originally Posted by GooMaiRoo

Intelligence is a partial answer, but it hardly helps if the terrorist recruits have no background.

Yes some terrorists have no background but the fact remains they are recruited by terrorists! There are events on record where people have 'flown below the radar' not least because of the apparent ineptitude of the security service to recognize a threat staring them in the face. As for commercial aircraft, very easy to 'knobble' one when you know how and you don't even have to go near the pilot. Although not that any of what I say here matters if terrorists fire missiles from the ground.

US bomb suspect "reached out" to UK militants-report

LONDON, Jan 2 (Reuters) - British security services knew three years ago that the Nigerian accused of trying to blow up a U.S.-bound plane had "multiple communications" with Islamic extremists in Britain, a newspaper reported on Saturday. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23, charged with trying to blow up Northwest flight 253 from Amsterdam as it approached Detroit on Christmas Day, studied in London between 2005 and 2008.

U.S. President Barack Obama says an al Qaeda affiliate based in Yemen was apparently behind the attack.

The Sunday Times quoted counter-terrorism officials as saying that, during his London stay, Abdulmutallab had been "reaching out" to extremists who were under surveillance by British security service MI5.

None of the information was passed to U.S. officials, which will prompt questions about intelligence failures before the attack, the newspaper said in an article posted on its website.

It said British officials had now passed a file to their U.S. counterparts on Abdulmutallab's activities while he was a student at University College London (UCL).

The file showed his repeated contacts with MI5 targets who were subject to phone taps, e-mail intercepts and other forms of surveillance, the report said.

Obama has blamed "human and systemic failures" for allowing the botched attack, saying information available to intelligence experts should have been pieced together.

British intelligence officials had defended their decision not to flag Abdulmutallab as a possible terrorism risk, saying he was one of many youths who mixed with extremists but who were not themselves thought to be involved in plotting or supporting terrorism, the Sunday Times said.

It quoted a senior British government official as saying that the intelligence agency had conducted a quick assessment of Abdulmutallab while he was living in London and concluded he was not a threat to national security.

British officials believe Abdulmutallab was recruited to undertake the Detroit plot after he left Britain, most probably while he was in Yemen last summer, the report said.

A Home Office (interior ministry) spokeswoman had no immediate comment on the report.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said on Friday that Britain was "increasingly clear that he (Abdulmutallab) linked up with al Qaeda in Yemen after leaving London".

Britain refused Abdulmutallab a further student visa in May 2009 and put him on an immigration watch list after he applied to attend a bogus college.

UCL has set up an independent review of Abdulmutallab's time at the university, during which he became president of the student Islamic Society.

Reuters AlertNet - US bomb suspect "reached out" to UK militants-report

Even without this report, it should come as no profound revelation that those with easily seduced personalities are recruited as prospective terrorists by terrorist recruiters.

Since we know that terror cells exist and are growing in the West, never mind mollycoddling poor victimised Muslims that may turn to extremism, it is the entire terror infrastructure that needs to be taken out, and ruthlessly.

TD disclaimer: Only as ruthlessly as the law permits, naturally, since we wouldn't wish to antagonise those with a declared intent to violently undermine the democratic process. That would make us just as bad as them, wouldn't it?

Breaking news: It looks like they are finally starting to figure out they need to profile.

Passengers on US-bound flights face more screening - Yahoo! News

Profiling is racist and only supported by bigots.

Much better to compromise innocent Western lives, to demonstrate what nice people we are.

I think they need to include all people that have those countries stamps in their passport as well.

Originally Posted by tuktukdriver

I think they need to include all people that have those countries stamps in their passport as well.

Which countries?

Read the article....

"The State Department lists Cuba, Iran, Sudan and Syria as state sponsors of terrorism. The other countries whose passengers will face enhanced screening include Afghanistan, Algeria, Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia and Yemen."

Originally Posted by tuktukdriver

Read the article....

"The State Department lists Cuba, Iran, Sudan and Syria as state sponsors of terrorism. The other countries whose passengers will face enhanced screening include Afghanistan, Algeria, Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia and Yemen."

Excellent. I can't stand that fat bastard King Abdullah. Looking forward to hearing about how they give him a rectal probe next time he visits the US. He's probably looking forward to it too.

Originally Posted by tuktukdriver

I think they need to include all people that have those countries stamps in their passport as well.

Originally Posted by tuktukdriver

The State Department lists Cuba

Canadians won't be liking the idea much.

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by tuktukdriver

I think they need to include all people that have those countries stamps in their passport as well.

Originally Posted by tuktukdriver

The State Department lists Cuba

Canadians won't be liking the idea much.

Good. They spend their tourist dollars in a country like that they derserve evrything that comes with it.

Originally Posted by keda

US bomb suspect "reached out" to UK militants-report

LONDON, Jan 2 (Reuters) - British security services knew three years ago that the Nigerian accused of trying to blow up a U.S.-bound plane had "multiple communications" with Islamic extremists in Britain,

Our wonderful security services....they let informations slip past their noses. Mind you the Americans are no better especially since they even manage to lose track of somebody they are actually watching!

Originally Posted by keda

Profiling is racist and only supported by bigots.

True; customs officers have told me they use profiling but in the vast majority of cases find nothing, so how much use is profiling?

Looks like I should've added a smilie.

Originally Posted by GooMaiRoo

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but almost all terrorists are Muslims.

Except for the tens of thousands that are white-skinned Christians or Jews wearing camouflage and flak jackets.

Originally Posted by WhiteKnight

Originally Posted by keda

Profiling is racist and only supported by bigots.

True; customs officers have told me they use profiling but in the vast majority of cases find nothing, so how much use is profiling?

That's because the hijackers are a very small percentage of all travelers. But, it's a fact that there have been far more Saudi/Yemeni/Nigerian young men involved in it than Japanese/Korean/Thai old ladies. I don't see why people fight profiling. It's a must! Just a bunch of liberals with a dream that everyone is the same.

During the 90's a border guard in Washington State pulled aside "an Arab man acting nervous" and discovered bombing material that was to be used at LAX. Profiling. It helped save lives.

Originally Posted by tuktukdriver

During the 90's a border guard in Washington State pulled aside "an Arab man acting nervous" and discovered bombing material that was to be used at LAX. Profiling. It helped save lives.

I never said everybody is the same, the incident you quote is only one and is a chance happening. Does it occur to you a the majority of Muslims are law abiding and no more interested in blowing up aircraft or murdering innocent people any more than you or I am? Your assertion that profiling saves lives is nonsense since terrorists will simply find ways to evade such measures. Where in the world has profiling caught a terrorists in an airport yet?

Originally Posted by WhiteKnight

Originally Posted by tuktukdriver

During the 90's a border guard in Washington State pulled aside "an Arab man acting nervous" and discovered bombing material that was to be used at LAX. Profiling. It helped save lives.

I never said everybody is the same, the incident you quote is only one and is a chance happening. Does it occur to you a the majority of Muslims are law abiding and no more interested in blowing up aircraft or murdering innocent people any more than you or I am? Your assertion that profiling saves lives is nonsense since terrorists will simply find ways to evade such measures. Where in the world has profiling caught a terrorists in an airport yet?

I'm sure the Israelis can provide some data.

Originally Posted by slackula

Profiling won't help.

Anybody remember this guy?



The number of Muslims extremists who have attacked the USA is 23! That includes the 9/11 attackers, the DC snipers and the Fort Hood guy. 23 FFS!

The amount of money that they have caused to be spent, and the amount of pants-pissing posts that they have managed to cause is way beyond the wildest dreams of their handlers. They have managed to create a section of American citizenry that are baying for their constitution to be shredded and are actively working for it to be ignored completely.

Did he try to bring down an airplane? I don't remember that part.

The constitution says Arabs are allowed on airplanes unchecked?

Originally Posted by slackula

The number of Muslims extremists who have attacked the USA is 23!

Man...wern't too good at sums in school eh slack? Conviently forgetting the USS Cole, Beruit Barracks, Achieles Lauro etc? Attacks on the US include all Americans world-wide...

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Conviently forgetting the USS Cole, Beruit Barracks, Achieles Lauro etc?

They were attacks on CONUS?

Go back to pissing your pants under an undisclosed bed.

Strange ,londonistan Is Not On The List