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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    It exploded in a silo. Now let me ask the expert what is a silo?
    You make the stuff you need to store the stuff. Got it ?
    Nah the silos contained wheat.

    A back-of-an-envelope calculation suggests that the material could've been stacked in bulk bags two deep in a square 40m x 40m so not that big.
    Easily fitted into a warehouse.
    With other materials.

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    Was wondering about the weird "mushroom cloud" explosion..



    According to Google;
    In reality the description comparing the explosion to historical footage of atom bombs wasn’t wholly inaccurate. Except it was just speculation. At that stage, and still, there is no confirmed cause of the explosion, although an old Russian or Moldovian shipement, mostly made up of ammonium nitrate, seems to be gathering increasing evidence.

    News organisations quickly scrambled through their Rolodex (Google it) under ‘W’ for weapons to find an ‘expert’ they could put on camera to further speculate, but with at least some experience behind their comments even though they’d probably heard about the event, or seen it, on social media as well.
    They pointed out that, had the explosion been caused by a nuclear weapon, the blast would have been accompanied by a blinding white flash and a surge of heat. That wasn’t the case. They were also able to add that mushroom clouds are not unique to nuclear bombs but are a result of the compression of humid air, which condenses water and creates the cloud. Now you know.
    Mushroom clouds and nuclear explosions - the fallout from the Beirut explosion - VIDEO | The Thaiger

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    A phenomenon associated with the compression of air.

    Condensation cloud - Wikipedia

    A powerful blast has just rocked the Lebanese capital of Beirut.-air-jpg

    If you want to consider another explosion check out the Port Chicago (California) explosion of 1944.
    Was it a nuclear test ? Maybe. Probably not.
    Last edited by docmartin; 06-08-2020 at 02:23 PM.

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    Seeing as there is already, today, an advertisement on the BTS saying Love Beruit or something similar, I'm saying this was staged?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmart View Post
    Was wondering about the weird "mushroom cloud" explosion..



    According to Google;


    Mushroom clouds and nuclear explosions - the fallout from the Beirut explosion - VIDEO | The Thaiger
    That isn't a mushroom cloud, that's the initial blast wave.

    This is a Mushroom cloud.

    A powerful blast has just rocked the Lebanese capital of Beirut.-unnamed-jpg

    These are blast waves. A lot of them, funnily enough, are accompanied by the phrase "God is great", which should really be "Explosives are great".


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    Toll has risen as expected, now 135 from 'about 20', though the vids I've seen suggest that as a daytime weekday event they won't get off that lightly.

    If this was an accident which I doubt, then it was due to criminal negligence and I expect those responsible will either disappear or go to jail if they're at the lower end of the food chain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    did trump make it up ?
    what do you think, einstein?

    are you not aware that he's lied over 20,000 times since january 2017?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...eading-claims/

    he lies and makes shit up all the time. constantly.

    so about as often as you post something completely idiotic.

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    this was in all probability an accident.

    the port at beirut is under the control of hezbollah, in an unofficial agreement between them and the government. hezbollah control what enters the country and what leaves it and they will have known exactly what was stored in that warehouse, after all ammonium nitrate is oxygen to organisations such as hezbollah. they would have kept it well guarded too.

    a spark from a welders torch, a carelessly thrown cigarette butt from one of the hezbollah goons on duty or an electrical fault could easily have started the fire in the warehouse that preceded the explosion and even though the fire services had tried to extinguish it for over half an hour, it took hold and the rest is history, nor would either of those powers have wanted to detonate 3000 tons of nitrate knowing full well the extent of the carnage that it would cause.

    an attack by the israelis, or even an effort by hezbollah in order to discredit the israelis would not have involved starting a fire that could have been extinguished before any real damage was done.

    this was an accident caused by raghead sloppiness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    ..... I expect those responsible will either disappear or go to jail if they're at the lower end of the food chain.
    An incident that I'm aware of went like this -

    Employee raises safety issue repeatedly and gets told to shut up and go away.
    Incident happens.
    Employee gets hauled into management's realm and told to not breathe a word about his previous actions to the regulatory authorities or he'd be pursued by expensive lawyers who'd leave him in possession of underpants and nothing more.

    In beautiful Beirut (the Riviera of the Middle East ....) no doubt these things will be decided by tribalism, influence and money.
    Expect the guilty to be promoted and the innocent punished.

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    Too soon?

    A powerful blast has just rocked the Lebanese capital of Beirut.-117164629_314620693238335_7033019174786591202_n-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    6 years of natural decomposition of the A N will have caused the material to heat up enough for it to combust.
    This is a load of horse shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Too soon?

    A powerful blast has just rocked the Lebanese capital of Beirut.-117164629_314620693238335_7033019174786591202_n-jpg
    Bahaha that's good

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    this was in all probability an accident.

    the port at beirut is under the control of hezbollah, in an unofficial agreement between them and the government. hezbollah control what enters the country and what leaves it and they will have known exactly what was stored in that warehouse, after all ammonium nitrate is oxygen to organisations such as hezbollah. they would have kept it well guarded too.

    a spark from a welders torch, a carelessly thrown cigarette butt from one of the hezbollah goons on duty or an electrical fault could easily have started the fire in the warehouse that preceded the explosion and even though the fire services had tried to extinguish it for over half an hour, it took hold and the rest is history, nor would either of those powers have wanted to detonate 3000 tons of nitrate knowing full well the extent of the carnage that it would cause.

    an attack by the israelis, or even an effort by hezbollah in order to discredit the israelis would not have involved starting a fire that could have been extinguished before any real damage was done.

    this was an accident caused by raghead sloppiness.
    No tax. This is utter twaddle. Pure tommyrot fucking poppycock. Fucking fertilizer doesn't just turn into high explosives all on its own

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    he lies and makes shit up all the time. constantly.
    In the world around him full of lies, he should be the one who is 100% honest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    This is a load of horse shit
    I'm afraid it isn't.


    What makes ammonium nitrate explode?
    Particular sets of circumstances are needed to turn ammonium nitrate from a stable compound into an explosive, without any fuel or external catalyst.
    It is classified as an "energetic material", one that produces heat as it decomposes, similar to the way heat is generated by rotting material in a compost heap.
    If there is sufficient quantity of ammonium nitrate, it can generate enough heat to catch fire and keep the fire going, without the need for an external catalyst such as a flame.

    As it burns, ammonium nitrate goes through chemical changes that lead to the production of oxygen, precisely what a fire needs to keep going and get bigger. As it heats up the chemical can fuse together, creating a seal or plug.
    The space behind the plug keeps on being heated and gases form.
    Hot gas expands, but, behind the plug, it has nowhere to go. Eventually, the gas will break through the seal and the force of that will trigger an explosion.
    What blew up in Beirut? A look at ammonium nitrate and why it is so dangerous | Science & Tech News | Sky News

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    According to Murdoch:

    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    If there is sufficient quantity of ammonium nitrate, it can generate enough heat to catch fire and keep the fire going, without the need for an external catalyst such as a flame.
    According to Scientific American:

    At high enough temperatures, however, ammonium nitrate can violently decompose on its own.
    Ammonium nitrate decomposition can be set off if an explosion occurs where it’s stored, if there is an intense fire nearby.

    What Is Ammonium Nitrate, the Chemical That Exploded in Beirut? - Scientific American
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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Ammonium nitrate decomposition can be set off if an explosion occurs where it’s stored, if there is an intense fire nearby.
    Pretty obvious to anyone with a brain who has worked with this liquefied cow shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    In the world around him full of lies, he should be the one who is 100% honest?
    Yes. He's the fucking President. He should be setting the standard.
    Perhaps the fact that the world around him is full of lies is a result of the fact that he IS setting the standard. Just the wrong one.
    Geddit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    According to Murdoch:



    According to Scientific American:

    At high enough temperatures, however, ammonium nitrate can violently decompose on its own.
    Ammonium nitrate decomposition can be set off if an explosion occurs where it’s stored, if there is an intense fire nearby.

    What Is Ammonium Nitrate, the Chemical That Exploded in Beirut? - Scientific American
    The Scientific Seppo can go fuck itself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    the sitting president should be setting the standard
    You - and all the other utterly outraged - should ramble many 4-years terms back. And to get such truth speaking presidents setting the standard to all their Melody Boys - it should have spared few millions of lives.

    Have you been around more than 4 years ago?

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    Fucking fertilizer doesn't just turn into high explosives all on its own
    It does when hezbollah is supposed to keeping an eye on it you daft bugger.

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    The pseudo objectivists have wrestled the narrative away from the conspiracy side.

    Ships carry this stuff around the world for weeks and it sits around in highly populated areas for months. I still find it awfully hard to believe that all of this stuff is at risk of spontaneously blowing the fuck up all by itself.

    I just can't believe that. Think of a loaded ship navigating the harbor among cruise ships and fuel tankers.

    Is there no smoking , no cooking , no cell phones , no electricity on these ships ? No. It just doesn't make sense that we have these near nuclear time bombs scattered around the world.

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    not much makes sense in the world these days backspin, your posts being a perfect example.

    Didnt a shitload of this stuff suddenly explode in a chinese city a few years ago causing destruction over a very wide area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    Backspin


    It does when hezbollah is supposed to keeping an eye on it you daft bugger.
    Fair point. But does this also not grey the line between whether it was intentional or an accident ?

    Israel has agents inside hezzbo. The middle east likes to give each other bloody noses. This is a bloody nose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Ships carry this stuff around the world for weeks and it sits around in highly populated areas for months. I still find it awfully hard to believe that all of this stuff is at risk of spontaneously blowing the fuck up all by itself.
    That's also what Scientific American says, it doesn't spontaneously combust, it needs heat (a fire for instance) in order to do that.

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