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    Quote Originally Posted by docmartin View Post
    it’s not necessary to add diesel (to make anfo) to get it to burn or explode.
    Many elements can catalyse reactions.
    A fire next door in a warehouse storing fireworks seems to be a good catalyst, apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    A fire next door in a warehouse storing fireworks
    What a brilliant move. Storing fireworks next door to 2,700 tons of Ammonium Nitrate.

    A powerful blast has just rocked the Lebanese capital of Beirut.-giphy-gif

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    Hey it makes sense if tradition says you marry a cousin

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    the most amazing thing about TD is that we have so many members who are explosives experts that also happen to be epidemiologists.
    ....and at the end comes the mother of all experts who has to make a stupid senseless comment about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmartin View Post
    He knows what a map is ? Astonishing.

    Ammonium nitrate can be reactive - itís not necessary to add diesel (to make anfo) to get it to burn or explode.
    Many elements can catalyse reactions.
    Not true.

    Spoke to a old colleague today and this came up.... He said that by itself ammonium nitrate fertiliser is not explosive, it has to be mixed with other substances and undergo further processing in order to become explosive....


    Later on I was thinking... If it was explosive why the hell would even a low IQ 3rd worlder allow 2700 tons to be put in a silo??? So of course in its normal form it is not explosive.
    The thinking further on, when a fireworks warehouse blows up (as has happened many times before) all the fireworks do not go up simultaneously, no some go off and a few seconds later others go off and the process randomly continues for a while until it burns itself out. If we were taking about a expertly made 500kg ammonium nitrate bomb set off with a blasting cap correctly positioned then I would expect the whole thing to go up at once, but 2700 tons? Surely multiple detonators would be required???
    As a side note... if the story of Oklahoma is to be believed who come Tim McVeigh managed to pull off such destruction at the first attempt. It's like some guy who has never rode a horse before deciding to enter a old nag in the Kentucky derby and willing by a mile. It doesn't make sense.... But what does.....???
    So did 2700 tons of ammonium nitrate fertiliser suddenly explode?? What about when it was on the ship, surely no port in the world would let such a ship dock with such a dangerous cargo...?
    Lies... Lies.... Lies.... Lies.
    None of it makes sense..... Like it ever does.
    The very visible pressure wave in a almost perfect sphere gives the game away. This was no accident. It was by design.
    So what caused it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    What a brilliant move. Storing fireworks next door to 2,700 tons of Ammonium Nitrate.

    A powerful blast has just rocked the Lebanese capital of Beirut.-giphy-gif
    ammonium nitrate fertiliser is not explosive, it has to be mixed with other substances and undergo further processing in order to become explosive...

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmartin View Post
    Hey it makes sense if tradition says you marry a cousin
    Or storing toxic waste in cities like Beirut and making a few bucks.
    Lebanon is a corrupt shithole with the exception that this time you can not put all the blame on the muzz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Not true.

    .... by itself ammonium nitrate fertiliser is not explosive, it has to be mixed with other substances and undergo further processing in order to become explosive....
    Debatable. Ammonium nitrate is a concentrated source of oxygen - the molecule just has to be broken to release the oxygen, and when combined with a fuel and an ignition source the three requirements of a fire / explosion are present.
    And it's burn baby burn.
    Last edited by docmartin; 06-08-2020 at 11:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    ammonium nitrate fertiliser is not explosive, it has to be mixed with other substances and undergo further processing in order to become explosive...
    There have been plenty of big "Bangs" with this stuff. One of the biggest was in Germany.

    But ammonium nitrate has a potentially lethal downside: The compound is considered an oxidizer, meaning at an atomic level, it removes electrons from other substances in a chemical reaction. What that means in a more practical sense is that it increases the burning of fuels by increasing the oxygen that's available to those fuels. To start the reaction, ammonium nitrate must come into contact with an open flame or other ignition source. In the Beirut incident, experts suggest fireworks were involved.


    The Oppau explosion occurred on September 21, 1921, when approximately 4,500 tonnes of a mixture of ammonium sulfate and ammonium nitrate fertilizer stored in a tower silo exploded at a BASF plant in Oppau, now part of Ludwigshafen, Germany, killing 500–600 people and injuring about 2,000 more.
    Oppau explosion - Wikipedia

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    So how did the other NH4NO3 explosions occur ?
    How would a mad bomber detonate that pile in the port ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    There have been plenty of big "Bangs" with this stuff. One of the biggest was in Germany.







    Oppau explosion - Wikipedia
    That was a plant where things were being mixed and things could go wrong. Here we are talking about bulk bags of the shit in storage. They wouldnt even carry this shit on ships in these quantities if it was as good as TNT explosive

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmartin View Post
    So how did the other NH4NO3 explosions occur ?
    How would a mad bomber detonate that pile in the port ?
    The other explosions were at plants.

    Think about it. If this shit was as good as TNT and could blow the motherfucking shit out of anything when exposed to a cigarette lighter, you would NEVER see 2700 tons of it floating around in the worlds ports

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    You might be underestimating the level of very widespread sloth and inefficiency in that part of the world.



    Conspiracy theories will be far more widespread amongst people unfamiliar with this than amongst those who are.

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    Not an accident, even if Troy wants my house, but each to their own belief.

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    QED...even though he was a muslim fundamentalist for a couple of years.

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    ^See the 2 ships right beside the warehouse ? Maybe fueler ships making a delivery of diesel into the warehouse ?



    and they are gone
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails A powerful blast has just rocked the Lebanese capital of Beirut.-01-before-jpg  

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    So did 2700 tons of ammonium nitrate fertiliser suddenly explode??
    Ammonium Nitrate in itself is quite stable but when heated up by something else (which can be slow burning diesel) then it provides lots of oxygen which makes it explode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin
    and they are gone
    So two ships that were in one pic taken before an event aren't in the pic taken after an event?

    Well that's enough proof for me... It was lizard people!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Not an accident, even if Troy wants my house, but each to their own belief.
    I agree. They wouldn't have ships floating around the worlds ports with 1400 Oklahoma city bombings on them. Fertilizer cant blow just from exposure to flame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    So two ships that were in one pic taken before an event aren't in the pic taken after an event?

    Well that's enough proof for me... It was lizard people!
    Infinum ad absurdum.



    These ships were right beside the warehouse. Any investigator with brains would identify them and make sure their alibi checks out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin
    Infinum ad absurdum
    Your Latin is a poor as your English.

    Lizard person!

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    The cause of the explosion was not immediately clear. Officials linked the explosion to some 2,700 tonnes of confiscated ammonium nitrate that were being stored in a warehouse at the port for six years.
    6 years of natural decomposition of the A N will have caused the material to heat up enough for it to combust.

    It is classified as an "energetic material", one that produces heat as it decomposes, similar to the way heat is generated by rotting material in a compost heap.

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    ^ So there it is.

    The End...except for tinfoil hat bs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post

    ^See the 2 ships right beside the warehouse ? Maybe fueler ships making a delivery of diesel into the warehouse ?



    and they are gone

    And after the blast there have been 2x boats added

    Have you ever thought that "before" was taken at a different date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    That was a plant where things were being mixed and things could go wrong. Here we are talking about bulk bags of the shit in storage. They wouldnt even carry this shit on ships in these quantities if it was as good as TNT explosive
    It exploded in a silo. Now let me ask the expert what is a silo?
    You make the stuff you need to store the stuff. Got it ?

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