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    No ammonium nitrate stored in Bangkok – BMA
    8.8.2020

    The spokesman for the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration, aka. City Hall, has confirmed that no ammonium nitrate is stored in the capital. His remarks come after Tuesday’s devastating explosion of the chemical in Beirut that killed more than 150 and injured over 5,000.

    Pongsakorn Kwanmuang sent condolences to those affected in the tragic blast and said that no ammonium nitrate is in storage in Bangkok. He said the only things that might explode in the capitol are cooking gas and hazardous chemicals handled by nearly 5,000 operators.

    Pongsakorn says BMA’s Health Department is implementing measures to prevent such explosions. They regularly inspect all premises that store chemicals, and operators who have hazardous chemicals and substances are regularly trained on their safe handling and required to prepare disaster responsive plans.

    “BMA staff are always prepared to cope with emergency incidents, including chemical disasters.”

    Anyone illegally storing hazardous chemicals is liable to punishment. The public can ask BMA to check chemical storage by contacting its 50 district offices or calling 1555. Any chemical fire can be reported via the hotline 199 around the clock.

    The devastating explosion in Beirut reminds us of a chemical explosion in 1999 in Chiang Mai. In September 1999, a longan processing plant in the San Pa Tong district was completely destroyed when potassium chlorate, along with other chemicals, exploded. 36 workers were killed, a total of 571 houses in a 1 kilometre radius were damaged and more than 100 people were injured in the blast. Potassium chlorate is used as an agri-chemical to promote the growth of longan or “lamyai” in Thai.

    There have been other chemical explosions in Thailand, between 2017 and 2019 in Lamphun, Ratchaburi and Chiang Mai, where people have been killed and injured.

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    Who set fucknuts off again?


    Anyway, El Presidente is squirming at the news he knew about this at least three weeks ago....

    Lebanon’s president has admitted he knew about the stockpile of explosive chemicals that were being kept in Beirut’s port.
    Michel Aoun, in office since 2016, said he was told of the stockpile nearly three weeks ago and immediately ordered military and security agencies to do “what was needed”.
    Newly surfaced documents also reveal officials had been warned at least 10 times about stockpile of 2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate in the seven years the explosives had been kept there.
    Beirut explosion: Lebanon president says he knew about chemicals weeks before blast | ITV News

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    A report from a city resident.The Beirut Explosion: Who is responsible?

    Posted on 07/08/2020 by Elijah J Magnier


    A powerful blast has just rocked the Lebanese capital of Beirut.-eenhhuwwoaed58l-1-png

    2,750 tons of Ammonium Nitrate stored at warehouse 12 at Beirut harbour a few hours before the explosion while a blacksmith was working at a few centimetres from the AN bags lying on the floor since 2014.

    "On Tuesday 4thof August, an explosion at the Lebanese harbour in the heart of the capital Beirut caused devastating human casualties and material destruction. Over 140 people died instantly, 80 are still missing under the rubble, and over 5000 were wounded. More than 300,000 homes were destroyed and many more were damaged. 2,750 tons of Ammonium Nitrate (AN) (an equivalent of 1,000 tons of TNT) somehow ignited and registered the largest explosion since the end of World War II.

    Many theories, accusing Israel or Hezbollah or the CIA, are circulating like wildfire in the Lebanese capital. Where is the truth? Cui bono?


    The Rhosus, a ship flying the Moldavian flag was sailing from Georgia to Mozambique carrying (among other merchandise) 2,750 tons of Ammonium Nitrate destined for the Fabrica de Explosives in Mozambique. This shipment was paid for by the Banco Internacional De Mozambique. It stopped in Beirut on 20/11/2013 to offload agricultural machines and was expected to load goods from Lebanon for Jordan on its way to Mozambique. An inspection concluded the ship was unfit to sail, and local Lebanese authorities effectively prevented the Rhosus from sailing. Lebanese port authorities discharged the cargo into Port Warehouse no.12 and later confiscated the cargo due to bills unpaid by the shipowner.

    Ammonium Nitrate has many properties, notably as a component of explosive mixtures (Mellor, 1922; Elvers 1989, Suslick 1992). Pure AN is very stable and should meet specified quality requirements to be used in the production of industrial explosives. According to the European Fertilizer Manufacturers Association, AN is especially difficult to detonate and does indeed need a substantial stimulus for this to happen. But it must be stored in a dry, well-ventilated and sealed storage area. Moreover, any electrical installation in the storage area must be resistant to ammonia vapour.

    For over six years, the 2,750 tons of AN remained in the Lebanese warehouse without any plans to relocate or re-sell it. Moreover, the storage area chosen is subject to the changing weather of the Lebanese climatic seasons, which include suffocating heat in the summer. The storage area was of metal construction with no proper ventilation.

    Last year, Captain Naddaf who works at the harbour under the National Security Service, called his superior to inform him about the presence of a “dangerous cargo at warehouse no. 12.” His superior officer, General A. instructed the young officer to provide a written report and take pictures of the warehouse and the contents. The warehouse construction had a breach big enough for the passage of a man, which would facilitate entry or even theft.

    How is the Lebanese harbour organised? It is controlled by a kind of local mafia composed of high ranking officers, customs directors, administrators and security officials. Each person in charge has been appointed by a political leader offering his men immunity and protection. The harbour produces immense amounts of money and bribes are the daily bread of all those who run this “show”. In the face of such corruption, it is now clear that scientific expertise about what is happening to store AN and the conditions in which 2,750 tons of it are stored counted for little. Actually, many officers in this Port have no competence for the jobs they do and are appointed, as we have seen, by favouritism and through political connections. This is indeed the case for the Director of Customs and the Army intelligence, General S., responsible for harbour movements and contents. So, given all that, when a problem or a disaster occurs, as it did on Tuesday, it will obviously be very difficult to find those really responsible. So how did the conditions for this AN explosion arise?

    On the 4th of August, at 15:00 local time, a blacksmith was asked to close the holes in the warehouse to prevent potential smuggling of the content. The blacksmith was not informed about the hazardous content of the warehouse, nor he was told to take the necessary precautions to prevent the spread of metal particles that produce fragments and can trigger a fire. He was working at a distance no more than a few centimetres from the AN bags that were lying on the floor, from which a clear substance was leaking. Once the job was done, between 16:30 and 17:00, smoke was seen coming from the warehouse.

    Firemen were called to deal with the potential fire. At 18:08 the first explosion was heard, followed by the second one over a minute later. After the first explosion, a fire ignited inside the warehouse. The fire generated more heat, enough for the entire stock of AN to blow up and create a vacuum (negative pressure). The pressure of the explosion caused the many casualties and devastating destruction in the city.

    Who called the blacksmith and allocated the budget for his work? Was he informed of the hazard of welding next to Ammonium Nitrate? Why were the 2,750 tons of AN left for more than six years in non-regulation storage for no justifiable reason whatsoever?

    The question has to be asked: “who benefits from the explosion?” The affected area belongs mainly to people who are not generally friendly to Hezbollah. Therefore, it would not have been in Israel’s interest nor in that of the US to bomb and cause so much damage to the properties and businesses of friendly parties. Destroying this part of Beirut in order to impose a “new Middle East” or a “new Lebanon” makes no sense either, because the anti-Hezbollah population is currently weaker than ever and is not in a position to confront Hezbollah. France and the US are in no better position to influence the population.

    Speculation about Hezbollah storing weapons at warehouse 12 is ridiculous and unfounded- because the place was under constant surveillance by cameras controlled by the security forces themselves. Hezbollah would certainly not store weapons in an area both unfriendly and not under its own control.

    Hezbollah, in fact, is currently waiting for the Special Tribunal for the assassination of the ex-Prime Minister Rafic Hariri to announce its verdict. This is how the US, to please Israel, is trying to curb Hezbollah’s influence in Lebanon- but to no avail. Indeed, the US and Israel have tried everything in their power in Syria, in Iraq and in Lebanon but failed in their attempts. The US is imposing harsh sanctions on Syria and Lebanon (preventing Gulf and European countries from assisting with the severe Lebanese financial crisis) but the outcome is the same: Hezbollah won’t submit.

    The many “conspiracy theories” fail to line up with the facts of this accident. Ignorance, incompetence, favouritism and bureaucracy are the reasons for the loss of so many lives and the destruction of Beirut, a capital where people have not learned to stand together. This is a huge national tragedy. The Lebanese hold property in many foreign countries, west and east. This expresses the lack of a sense of belonging- because this is a country where elected politicians have amassed and stolen all the country’s wealth, where they hoard power, and where they pass it on to their sons."


    https://ejmagnier.com/2020/08/07/the...s-responsible/
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    On the 4th of August, at 15:00 local time, a blacksmith was asked to close the holes in the warehouse to prevent potential smuggling of the content. The blacksmith was not informed about the hazardous content of the warehouse, nor he was told to take the necessary precautions to prevent the spread of metal particles that produce fragments and can trigger a fire. He was working at a distance no more than a few centimetres from the AN bags that were lying on the floor, from which a clear substance was leaking. Once the job was done, between 16:30 and 17:00, smoke was seen coming from the warehouse.

    Firemen were called to deal with the potential fire. At 18:08 the first explosion was heard, followed by the second one over a minute later. After the first explosion, a fire ignited inside the warehouse. The fire generated more heat, enough for the entire stock of AN to blow up and create a vacuum (negative pressure). The pressure of the explosion caused the many casualties and devastating destruction in the city.

    in other words, it happened exactly as i suggested.

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    a spark from a welders torch ....... this was an accident caused by raghead sloppiness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    in other words, it happened exactly as i suggested.

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    Cock-up over conspiracy.

    Top of my list of people to feel sorry for are the fire service personnel who must have been up close and personal when this went up. Surely they knew this was a dangerous goods warehouse? It seems that after the event many people knew.

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    It's a rare day indeed when HooHoo can't find a link blaming it on the seppos.

    Although I have seen a few nutters trying to blame it on a blue suede shoe secret weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It's a rare day indeed when HooHoo can't find a link blaming it on the seppos
    Lack of evidence your Honour?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    One official statement, one press report and one tweet report of the killing 4 people:

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It's a rare day indeed when HooHoo can't find a link blaming it on the seppos.

    Although I have seen a few nutters trying to blame it on a blue suede shoe secret weapon.
    Elijah Magnia is the best middle east reporter in the world. He's not blaming the Seppos per se but he's blaming the inept Seppo controlled government

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Elijah Magnia is the best middle east reporter in the world.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    He's an actual insider who has met personally with all the top generals and govt officials in the region. He's been doing it since the 80's you freaking plonker.

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    The real tragedy now is the politics of the Seppo owned colonial government.

    China's port building company could throw up a brand new port in 6 weeks. But the colonial government will not allow it. China already proposed a port refit for the other port down the way. And the govt wouldn't allow it

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It's like One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest on here these days with all the whack jobs about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    The real tragedy now is the politics of the Seppo owned colonial government.

    China's port building company could throw up a brand new port in 6 weeks. But the colonial government will not allow it. China already proposed a port refit for the other port down the way. And the govt wouldn't allow it
    And good for them for rejecting chequebook diplomacy and what's that got to do with this anyhow.
    Oh, how in the world in your feeble mind is the lebanese government a seppo owned 'colonial' government?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    And good for them for rejecting chequebook diplomacy and what's that got to do with this anyhow.
    Oh, how in the world in your feeble mind is the lebanese government a seppo owned 'colonial' government?????
    The county is fucking starving and China is the only one capable of rebuilding at an acceptable time. But eh fuck dat checkbook diplomacy

    If the US had any sense , they could probably collaborate with China on a deal to get the port rebuilt but nope.

    The US likes it this way
    Poor weak starving countries. That's why they leveled Iraqs infrastructure just to change the head of government. Yemen is being starved for the same reason

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    The county is fucking starving and China is the only one capable of rebuilding at an acceptable time. But eh fuck dat checkbook diplomacy

    If the US had any sense , they could probably collaborate with China on a deal to get the port rebuilt but nope.

    The US likes it this way
    Poor weak starving countries. That's why they leveled Iraqs infrastructure just to change the head of government. Yemen is being starved for the same reason
    Oh dear, it appears you ARE an idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    to get the port rebuilt but nope.
    The port itself, piers, loading areas etc, appears to have withstood the blast. The cranes, warehouses and offices have gone.

    But as you say offices and warehouses are simple structures. Deliver components, erect, bolt or weld and then add roofing and sidings. Don't know what delivery is on unloading cranes.

    Probably China is the only country able to deliver, possibly Japan or S. Korea. As for cost.

    Lets see what the French organised event tomorrow brings. Mentioned in this report. Allegedly goldilocks will virtually attend, so it may be hilarious:

    On Lebanon, Macron told Trump sanctions can play into Iran's hands, official says - Reuters

    There is a whole list of donations at this Reuters site:

    Factbox: Countries rally round Lebanon after Beirut blast

    Factbox: Countries rally round Lebanon after Beirut blast - Reuters

    No mention of China in Reuter's list, but it appears a second Lebanon port is already available to assist with aid imports:

    Lebanon's Tripoli port ready to temporarily replace Port of Beirut after deadly blasts

    'Lebanon's Port of Tripoli said Thursday that it is ready to temporarily replace the Port of Beirut which was devastated by two powerful explosions on Tuesday.

    Ahmed Tamer, director of the Tripoli port, told Xinhua that the port has completed all its preparations to receive the aid ships sent to Lebanon and the vessels that transport products and goods.

    "The port has witnessed during the past years the expansion work by Chinese companies, and it has received the largest ships from China, carrying a big number of containers," he said.

    China Harbor had worked on the rehabilitation of the Tripoli port to prepare it to receive all types of huge ships, while creating a berth to receive containers equipped with advanced Chinese cranes capable of lifting and transporting more than 700 containers per day or 480,000 containers per year.

    Tripoli, the largest city in northern Lebanon, is located on the shore of the Mediterranean Sea, about 80 km north of the capital Beirut and 30 km away from the Lebanese-Syrian northern border.

    The port of Tripoli is expected to play a vital role in Syria's reconstruction as it is the only sea port connecting Lebanon with the outside world.

    Two huge explosions rocked Port of Beirut on Tuesday evening, killing at least 137 people and injuring nearly 5,000 others, while causing massive damages in the city."

    Lebanon's Tripoli port ready to temporarily replace Port of Beirut after deadly blasts - World - Chinadaily.com.cn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    He's an actual insider who has met personally with all the top generals and govt officials in the region. He's been doing it since the 80's you freaking plonker.
    Yes, you know him so well you can't even spell his name when it's written in front of you.

    Do you know why you're such a shit troll?

    Because you're fucking stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Oh dear, it appears you ARE an idiot.
    Try searching for "sanctions on Lebanon".

    Here are a few:

    Lebanon-Related Sanctions

    UK sanctions on Lebanon - GOV.UK

    Canada adds Lebanon on list of sanctions - Lebanon News

    Lebanon - EU Sanctions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Oh dear, it appears you ARE an idiot.
    Of almost Klondykian stature.

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    They are on terrorists and their supporters, not the country.



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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Of almost Klondykian stature.
    Have anything of substance to add for a change...rather than these little piles of steaming shit you scatter around the forum ?

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    Three planeloads of supplies plus medics and first responders are on their way from the US, who were one of the first countries to offer help.

    That must rankle with the old seppo haters on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Have anything of substance to add for a change...rather than these little piles of steaming shit you scatter around the forum ?
    You're too stupid to understand anything of substance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    who were one of the first countries to offer help.
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    That must rankle with the old seppo haters on here.
    A link with the time stamped ameristani announcement of delivery, may justify your joy.

    One hopes the planes and aircraft carriers land and dock safely.

    Reuters reports aid, has not just been announced, but already been delivered to Lebanon, not Qatar, by many countries:

    Factbox: Countries rally round Lebanon after Beirut blast - Reuters

    [QUOTE=harrybarracuda;4144247]They are on terrorists and their supporters, not the country.[/QUOTE
    It appears these declarations of war, may well become fortuitous:

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Text of a Notice on the Continuation of the National Emergency with Respect to Lebanon
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Gantz Instructs IDF to Bomb Lebanese Infrastructure If Hezbollah Harms Soldiers or Civilians
    Last edited by OhOh; 09-08-2020 at 01:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    A link with the time stamped ameristani announcement may justify your joy.
    Just for you because I know how it hurts you.



    AL UDEID AIR BASE, Qatar (AFNS) --In a joint endeavor to assist the Lebanese Armed Forces and the people of Lebanon after a deadly explosion in Beirut, U.S. Airmen and Soldiers stationed in Qatar worked to load the first U.S. Air Force C-17 Globemaster III with humanitarian aid, Aug. 6.

    Personnel from the
    379th Air Expeditionary Wing, Air Mobility Command’s8th Expeditionary Air Mobility Squadron and 816th Expeditionary Airlift Squadron on Al Udeid Air Base, and the Area Support Group-Qatar from Camp As Sayliyah worked to palletize food, water and medical supplies delivered to Beirut later that day.

    “Support of this magnitude at such speed wouldn’t be possible without the joint effort of all members of Al Udeid Air Base, our U.S. Army counterparts at Camp As Sayliyah and our gracious Qatari partners,” said
    Brig. Gen. Daniel Tulley, 379th Air Expeditionary Wing commander. “In the wake of tragedy, it truly takes a combined effort to make the mission happen. We do this every day in Qatar, and that’s exactly what we are doing in support of the Lebanese Armed Forces.”

    Soldiers from the ASG-Qatar at Camp As Sayliyah packed and loaded 11 pallets of humanitarian aid, which contained more than 28,800 military field rations, known as MRE or meals ready to eat, 11,520 bottles of water and two pallets of medical supplies and transported them to Al Udeid Air Base with support of a local Qatari transport company.
    https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Disp...aid-to-beirut/


    Furthermore, here is a link to a Lebanese charity on the ground to which you can make a donation.

    Because I'm sure as shit you haven't so much as lifted a finger to help, preferring instead just to sit and whinge.

    I have been in contact with them and you can specify, if you wish, that your money gets spent on medical care, food, or longer term projects.

    http://ajialouna.org/index.php/en/

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