Thread: Former Russian spy critically ill in Britain after exposure to unidentified substance

Wondering what will happen with the states that did not express the "solidarity": e.g. Ireland, Belgium, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, not to speak about Kingdom of Tonga. And why not Israel?

China has The LORD's back.

Russian diplomat expulsions signal crude side of Western intention

Source:Global Times Published: 2018/3/27 8:00:15

On March 26, the US, Canada, and several European Union countries expelled Russian diplomats from their respective foreign embassies and consulates in retaliation against Russia's alleged poisoning of former double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter. As of this writing, 19 countries, including 15 EU member states, have shown their support to Great Britain by enforcing such measures.

On March 4, Skripal and his daughter Yulia were rushed to a hospital after they were found unconscious at a park in Salisbury. It was later reported the father and daughter had come into contact with an obscure nerve agent. UK government officials said the Skripals were attacked by "Novichok," a powerful Soviet-era chemical nerve agent used by the military.

The British government did not provide evidence that linked Russia to the crime but was confident from the beginning there could be no other "reasonable explanation" for the attempted assassination. Great Britain was so convinced of their Russia theory, they wasted no time taking the lead in levying sanctions against the country by quickly expelling Russian diplomats from London. Shortly afterwards, UK capital officials reached out to NATO and their European allies who provided immediate support.

The accusations that Western countries have hurled at Russia are based on ulterior motives, similar to how the Chinese use the expression "perhaps it's true" to seize upon the desired opportunity. From a third-person perspective, the principles and diplomatic logic behind such drastic efforts are flawed, not to mention that expelling Russian diplomats almost simultaneously isa crude form of behavior. Such actions make little impact other than increasing hostility and hatred between Russia and their Western counterparts.

The UK government should have an independent investigation conducted into the Skripal poisoning by representatives from the international community. An effort such as this would provide results strong enough for those following the case to make up their minds on who should or shouldn't be accused of the crime. Now, the majority of those who support Britain's one-sided conclusion happen to be members of NATO and the EU, while others stood behind the UK due to long-standing relations.

The fact that major Western powers can gang up and "sentence" a foreign country without following the same procedures other countries abide by and according to the basic tenets of international law is chilling. During the Cold War, not one Western nation would have dared to make such a provocation and yet today it is carried out with unrestrained ease. Such actions are nothing more than a form of Western bullying that threatens global peace and justice.

Over the past few years the international standard has been falsified and manipulated in ways never seen before. The fundamental reason behind reducing global standards is rooted in post-Cold War power disparities. The US, along with their allies, jammed their ambitions into the international standards so their actions, which were supposed to follow a set of standardized procedures and protocol, were really nothing more than profit-seizing opportunities designed only for themselves. These same Western nations activated in full-force public opinion-shaping platforms and media agencies to defend and justify such privileges.

As of late, more foreign countries have been victimized by Western rhetoric and nonsensical diplomatic measures. In the end, the leaders of these nations are forced to wear a hat featuring slogans and words that read "oppressing their own people," "authoritarian," or "ethnic cleansing," regardless of their innocence.

It is beyond outrageous how the US and Europe have treated Russia. Their actions represent a frivolity and recklessness that has grown to characterize Western hegemony that only knows how to contaminate international relations. Right now is the perfect time for non-Western nations to strengthen unity and collaborative efforts among one another. These nations need to establish a level of independence outside the reach of Western influence while breaking the chains of monopolization declarations, predetermined adjudications, and come to value their own judgement abilities."

Poor Ohoh and the straw clutching.

The big boys are hitting him and that's all that counts.

Global embarrassment for our Vlad.

And even Ohoh's too embarrassed to provide the link for his dull whinge (Note Ohoh: Links are compulsory in World News, so if you don't want your post deleted, you'd better add it), because it came from a chinese government mouthpiece.

Russian diplomat expulsions signal crude side of Western intention - Global Times

My word, even the cheese-eating surrender monkeys have grown a spine and joined in the fun.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The big boys are hitting him

"It's too soon to tell", who'll be the last man standing, 'arry.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

And even Ohoh's too embarrassed to provide the link

My apologies.
My apologies.
My apologies.
My apologies.
My apologies.

It's not about quantity, more quality..

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

even the cheese-eating surrender monkeys

Yes the current French President does love his cheese from the mature board.

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

It's not about quantity, more quality..

Of course it is.

With absolutely no proof whatsoever.

There is the reason for the attempt on the life of the Russian ex-spy and his daughter more sanctions needed against Russia.

Originally Posted by birding

With absolutely no proof whatsoever.

There is the reason for the attempt on the life of the Russian ex-spy and his daughter more sanctions needed against Russia.

Another one who does not understand the concept of "classified intelligence".

Originally Posted by OhOh

Global Times

......another miss for RT then...

Did US even bother to justify Russian UN staff expulsion? ‘Too sensitive’ to comment, UN says

Published time: 26 Mar, 2018 21:20

"The UN declined to comment on the legality of Washington’s move to expel 12 Russian staff working there, saying only that it had been “notified.” The US envoy to Russia hinted they hadn’t even sent notification in advance.


Speaking to reporters, the UN spokesman declined to comment on the US move to expel 12 Russian diplomats from the permanent mission to the UN, citing the “sensitivity” of the issue.


“Given the sensitivity of the matter, which is ongoing, we will not comment further at this stage other than to confirm that the Secretary-General will closely follow this matter and engage as appropriate with the Governments concerned,” Farhan Haq, Deputy Spokesman for the Secretary-General, explained.

The official stated that Washington had notified the UN of its decision, made under Section 13b of the Treaty between the United Nations and the United States as the host country.


“Laws and regulations in force in the United States regarding the residence of aliens shall not be applied in such manner as to interfere with the … and, specifically, shall not be applied in such manner as to require any such person to leave the United States on account of any activities performed by him in his official capacity,” the section reads, adding that “activities in the United States outside his official capacity” render the UN privileges void.


Earlier on Monday, the US Ambassador to Russia, Jon Huntsman, told TASS that the US apparently did not notify the UN of its move beforehand. The diplomat said, however, that Washington was expected to do so. Such a decision requires some “very serious evidence,” Huntsman added. It has remained unclear whether the evidence in question was provided.


The expulsion of diplomats is linked somehow both to the Skripal case and to the “concerns” of the American people, over the numbers of intelligence officers operating on US soil, the US envoy stated. Huntsman described the diplomats’ ouster as the “largest expulsion of Russian intelligence officers in the United States’ history.”



“The United States takes this action in conjunction with our NATO allies and partners around the world in response to a military-grade chemical weapon attack on the soil of the United Kingdom by Russia,” Huntsman said, in a recorded statement. “Today's actions make the United States a safer place by limiting the ability of Russia to spy on Americans and conduct covert activities that threaten America's national security.”



The US expelled the 12 Russian diplomats with the UN, as well as 48 other diplomats working in the US, on Monday. The move came on the pretext of alleged Russian involvement with the poisoning of former double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter in the British town of Salisbury on March 4. Several NATO and European countries have also expelled Russian diplomats, citing their “solidarity” with the UK as a reason. While the UK pinned the blame on Moscow shortly after the incident, no evidence has been provided so far."

I look forward to reading the “very serious evidence,”

https://www.rt.com/news/422409-us-expels-russian-un-diplomats/

There is a video at the link.
In the video the government spokes man states that the ameristani leader spoke with many world leaders to drum up support his actions. Unfortunately only 9% of the worlds leaders took this opportunity to "support" the ameristani leader, presumably one of 'arrys "big boys".

Shades of the US embassy move in Israel.

The Treaty between the United Nations and the United States referred to can be found here:

https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%2011/volume-11-I-147-English.pdf

Originally Posted by tomcat

another miss for RT then...

One suspects the article carries more weight being published in a foreign newspaper, of record, allegedly.

Originally Posted by OhOh

https://www.rt.com

......your devotion to obvious propaganda is...touching...

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Another one who does not understand the concept of "classified intelligence".

Yes Harry we know but we aint gonna tell.

Your little burst of sanity when you admitted that the US should get out Afghanistan didnt last long, when it comes to Russia you have a virile hate that suppresses any reasoned thought.

Do you really think that whoever did this didnt know the reaction it would cause ?
Do you really believe that if Russia had done it that they would not know the reaction ?
Do you really believe that Russia would deliberately bring on sanctions against themselves by attempting to kill in a very public way a Russian citizen and an ex spy who has long since divulged any information he ever had and is of no threat to them ?

Both of these unfortunate targets could have been killed before many times over if Russia had sought their death.

No there is no proof Russia did it and hiding behind 'classified information' is bullshit.

The reaction is exactly what was planned by those who attempted this murder, the farther vilification and isolation of Russia and reinforcing Russia's status as the enemy of the west.

^^^ Time to move the United Nations. But to where? Switzerland?

Originally Posted by birding

Blah Blah Blah Blah

Then your questions.

Do you really think that whoever did this didnt know the reaction it would cause ?

I think Russia (well, Putin) underestimated it.

Do you really believe that if Russia had done it that they would not know the reaction ?

I think Russia (well, Putin) underestimated it.

Do you really believe that Russia would deliberately bring on sanctions against themselves by attempting to kill in a very public way a Russian citizen and an ex spy who has long since divulged any information he ever had and is of no threat to them ?

I think Russia (well, Putin) underestimated it.

Both of these unfortunate targets could have been killed before many times over if Russia had sought their death.

I don't believe someone can be killed "many times over". Once normally suffices.

No there is no proof Russia did it and hiding behind 'classified information' is bullshit.

Classic tin foil hat nonsense.

The reaction is exactly what was planned by those who attempted this murder, the farther vilification and isolation of Russia and reinforcing Russia's status as the enemy of the west.

You are finally and partially correct.

Standard Putin nonsense to paint himself as the saviour of Russia against the evil West.

Classic Soviet propaganda tactic.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Another one who does not understand the concept of "classified intelligence".

Can you tell us some more about this classified intelligence Harry and how you got to know that there is any?

Originally Posted by Neverna

^^^ Time to move the United Nations

How many would remain with the ameristan controlled defunct UN. The same 9% of those, the ameristani leader, managed to "persuade" to sign up to his "world opinion" group. As 'arry puts it so inappropriately.

9% of the countries, probably 3% of the worlds population, 1% of the worlds population that can defend themselves and 0.1% that can count beyond 3.........

Joking aside, even if somebody from Russia did it, the big show that is going around the world because of this?

When considering the atrocities every day committed by the "righteous" "solidary" states causing thousands of deaths, damaged lives, countries?

A hypocrisy of the highest grade...

Originally Posted by Klondyke

even if somebody from Russia did it

Right, off to bed, no tea for you tonight. You wait until your father gets home.

Britain is one of the most CCTV saturated countries in the world. For example, the London bombers were able to be tracked from around Derby somewhere, to London.

I'm staying quiet for now, on the basis (or belief) a major investigation is ongoing, and actual evidence, rather than hearsay, will be produced in due course. But given the actions taken, the longer this drags on without any actual evidence being produced the more skeptical I will become.

Certainly, the sceptics question "Why?" cannot be dismissed out of hand. There are several considerably easier ways to off the guy in question, and given that he had already spilled the beans, and resided in the UK for several years- Why? He was of no particular value to either Vlad or the UK.

Vlad made a comment some time ago ,

Saying " you people who accept Silver Dollars for your treachery may find them in your mouth one day " mmhh !

And some more that did not immediately joint the "solidarity" coming now after all. Wondering why it has taken them so long?
Waiting on the evidence? (The US waived to see any, they trust UK, anyway.)
Or has the Obama's invention been used - twisting the arms?

Anyway, there are still some of the EU that haven't decided (or their arms are not so easy to twist?). Not so solidary with the country that has shown its "solidarity" with the EU bunch...