Don't knock yourself out over it Nooners. It all comes down to practice. I started on garden walls. The first one was rubbish, the second one looked terrible, but stayed up. Next thing I knew, they had let me loose on the conservatory wall. I never will make the title 'bricklayer' but , with a bit of practice, these things slowly organise themselves into your sub-consious. You get better, without thinking about it.Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon